#1
Hey UG

I'm looking to buy a new desktop and I was wondering what kind of spec am I looking at for a decent machine to be able to run software such as Guitar Rig without latency and also play games such as Skyrim, the new Star Wars game etc...

I'm in the UK and I have a budget of £500-£600

I've been looking at builds from two sites

http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ and http://www.chillblast.com/

anyone had any experience with either? if so what was the build quality like + customer service?

cheers
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ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
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Last edited by stormtrooper887 at Feb 26, 2012,
#3
Build your own.

Intel 2500/2500k to overclock
Asus motherboard
8 gb DDR3 ram
Hard drive (s)
500-700w power supply
Case
Radeon HD6770 or 6750 - I run battlefield 3 on ultra + Crysis on this nicely.

If you do build your own, dont scrimp on the PSU.
Last edited by smokedereefa at Feb 26, 2012,
#4
I've been using a MacBook to record and edit music and I don't play games on my desktop PC (that's why I have a 360 which I rarely use anyway... I've kinda been gaming less and less as I get older haha) so I can't really make any recommendations. What I can recommend though is to build your own. It's really not that difficult whatsoever to piece together a tower and load Windows onto it. Oh, and as far as music production goes on the PC, the more RAM the better. A loaded track with multiple samples and instrument tracks eats RAM like nobodies business. The 4GB's in my MacBook isn't enough most times and it starts to really churn and I'm not willing to throw 8 or 16 gigs in it yet because my machine is almost 5 years old so I'm just waiting until I upgrade all together and I'll save on RAM prices. If you can find one thats within your price range, assuming you don't have a lot of files, run a small capacity SSD for system files and such and a 7,200RPM HDD as well with a large capacity for everything else. The perceived speed difference is quite noticeable with launching large applications and for editing. Pretty much everything smokedereefa posted above is a safe bet.
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#5
Use Box.co.uk there so cheap and reliable.

Work off this.

Motherboard : £100 (try to spend more)
http://www.box.co.uk/MSI_P67A-GD53-B3_Intel_Socket_LGA1155_In_1068467.html

CPU: £169.97
http://www.box.co.uk/Intel_Core_I5-2500_3.3Ghz_6Mb_Cache_Soc_1039702.html

Heatsink: £20 (Not needed but if you end up overclocking)
http://www.box.co.uk/Cooler_Master_Hyper_TX3_Cooling_FanHeat_918287.html

RAM : £38
http://www.box.co.uk/Corsair_Vengeance_8GB_DDR3_Performance_M_1042342.html

PSU : £74
http://www.box.co.uk/Coolermaster_Gx_750w_80_Power_Supply_Un_1070131.html

Case : Whatever you want (£20-£40)

Graphics Card: £139
http://www.box.co.uk/Xfx_Radeon_HD_6870_Graphics_PCI_Express__1132425.html

= £540

+ Your harddrive

This is a similar setup to what i use and have no issue gaming or using 30+ channels with tons of plugins.
Last edited by smokedereefa at Feb 26, 2012,
#6
Quote by smokedereefa
Use Box.co.uk there so cheap and reliable.

Work off this.

Motherboard : £100 (try to spend more)
http://www.box.co.uk/MSI_P67A-GD53-B3_Intel_Socket_LGA1155_In_1068467.html

CPU: £169.97
http://www.box.co.uk/Intel_Core_I5-2500_3.3Ghz_6Mb_Cache_Soc_1039702.html

Heatsink: £20 (Not needed but if you end up overclocking)
http://www.box.co.uk/Cooler_Master_Hyper_TX3_Cooling_FanHeat_918287.html

RAM : £38
http://www.box.co.uk/Corsair_Vengeance_8GB_DDR3_Performance_M_1042342.html

PSU : £74
http://www.box.co.uk/Coolermaster_Gx_750w_80_Power_Supply_Un_1070131.html

Case : Whatever you want (£20-£40)

Graphics Card: £139
http://www.box.co.uk/Xfx_Radeon_HD_6870_Graphics_PCI_Express__1132425.html

= £540

+ Your harddrive

This is a similar setup to what i use and have no issue gaming or using 30+ channels with tons of plugins.



thanks, is this site reliable?
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ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
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#7
Quote by stormtrooper887
thanks, is this site reliable?


Yeah, there pretty new but ive ordered off them plenty of times, always dispatched and received when they say.

Scan computers is good too.
Gimme a shout if you need any help.
#8
Quote by smokedereefa
Yeah, there pretty new but ive ordered off them plenty of times, always dispatched and received when they say.

Scan computers is good too.
Gimme a shout if you need any help.



what about additional fans for cooling?

is your comp pretty quiet?

EDIT

what about cables for inside? do they come with the machine or would i need to purchase these additionally?
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ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
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Last edited by stormtrooper887 at Feb 26, 2012,
#9
Quote by stormtrooper887
what about additional fans for cooling?

is your comp pretty quiet?

EDIT

what about cables for inside? do they come with the machine or would i need to purchase these additionally?


If your thinking about overclocking the CPU or GPU then get additional fans for the case, if not it should be fine with the stock in the case depending with what you get.

I use this cooler but its bulky as fuck but keeps my temperatures low- http://www.corsair.com/air-series-a70.html

Yeah my comp is quiet, the graphic card can be quite noisy but its not very noticeable.

Cables you need will come with the motherboard and PSU (16 pin power connector 4 pin/Fans etc..).

If your thinking of overclocking get the I5 2500K and you will need a P67 or Z68 motherboard chipset.

Im pretty sure the 2500K doesnt come with the stock fan (mine didn't) so you will need a cooler/heat sink, the P67 boards do not support the I5's onboard graphics either so you will need a graphics card.

The difference between the 2500 and 2500k is the 2500k has a unlocked multiplier allowing you to overclock costs about 15-20 pounds more, just incase you wondered.

Also: If you confused by the Chipset use this.

2500K -

H61 - allows the Onboard GPU and GPU overclocking but not CPU overclocking.
P67 - allows CPU overclocking but no onboard GPU
Z68 - allows CPU overclocking and Onboard graphics + GPU overclocking.
Last edited by smokedereefa at Feb 26, 2012,
#10
just get barebone kit.
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#11
Quote by smokedereefa
Use Box.co.uk there so cheap and reliable.

Work off this.

Motherboard : £100 (try to spend more)
http://www.box.co.uk/MSI_P67A-GD53-B3_Intel_Socket_LGA1155_In_1068467.html

CPU: £169.97
http://www.box.co.uk/Intel_Core_I5-2500_3.3Ghz_6Mb_Cache_Soc_1039702.html

Heatsink: £20 (Not needed but if you end up overclocking)
http://www.box.co.uk/Cooler_Master_Hyper_TX3_Cooling_FanHeat_918287.html

RAM : £38
http://www.box.co.uk/Corsair_Vengeance_8GB_DDR3_Performance_M_1042342.html

PSU : £74
http://www.box.co.uk/Coolermaster_Gx_750w_80_Power_Supply_Un_1070131.html

Case : Whatever you want (£20-£40)

Graphics Card: £139
http://www.box.co.uk/Xfx_Radeon_HD_6870_Graphics_PCI_Express__1132425.html

= £540

+ Your harddrive

This is a similar setup to what i use and have no issue gaming or using 30+ channels with tons of plugins.


That's a good pick, nice work sir.


I've used box.co.uk and they're good, no hesitation in recommending them.


Scan is brilliant for the daily deals. Today's no brainer is damn good value: http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/

Thermaltake Dokker Black Mid Tower Case with built in HDD Hotswap Docking for 3.5/2.5" SATA w/o PSU
650W PSU, Coolermaster GX RS650-ACAAE3-UK, 85% Eff', 80 PLUS Bronze, SLI/CrossFire, EPS 12V, Quiet Fan, ATX v2.31
Intel Core i5 2500K Unlocked, 3.3GHz
Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3, Intel Z68, S 1155, DDR3, SATA III
8GB (2x4GB) Kingston DDR3 HyperX Genesis Grey, PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-27, XMP, 1.5V

Not bad for £360...


PCSpecialist and Ginger6 are both good sites to use.
#12
Quote by kyle62
That's a good pick, nice work sir.


I've used box.co.uk and they're good, no hesitation in recommending them.


Scan is brilliant for the daily deals. Today's no brainer is damn good value: http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/


Thats a good damn deal.
#13
Quote by kyle62
That's a good pick, nice work sir.


I've used box.co.uk and they're good, no hesitation in recommending them.


Scan is brilliant for the daily deals. Today's no brainer is damn good value: http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/

Thermaltake Dokker Black Mid Tower Case with built in HDD Hotswap Docking for 3.5/2.5" SATA w/o PSU
650W PSU, Coolermaster GX RS650-ACAAE3-UK, 85% Eff', 80 PLUS Bronze, SLI/CrossFire, EPS 12V, Quiet Fan, ATX v2.31
Intel Core i5 2500K Unlocked, 3.3GHz
Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3, Intel Z68, S 1155, DDR3, SATA III
8GB (2x4GB) Kingston DDR3 HyperX Genesis Grey, PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-27, XMP, 1.5V

Not bad for £360...


PCSpecialist and Ginger6 are both good sites to use.



460 with vat...
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ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
Line 6 POD HD300
#14
Quote by stormtrooper887
460 with vat...


VAT

Still seemed like a good deal though.


http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/

Coolermaster Elite 430, All Black, Mid Tower Case with Side Window 120mm Front LED Blue Fan w/o PSU
650W PSU, Coolermaster GX RS650-ACAAE3-UK, 85% Eff', 80 PLUS Bronze, SLI/CrossFire, EPS 12V, Quiet Fan, ATX v2.31
Intel Core i5 2500K Unlocked, S1155, Sandy Bridge, Quad, 3.3GHz, HD3000 IGP 850Mhz, 6MB Cache 95W Retail
Gigabyte GA-Z68AP-D3, Intel Z68, S 1155, DDR3, SATA III - 6Gb/s, RAID SATA, PCIe 2.0 (x16), VGA On Board, ATX
8GB (2x4GB) Kingston DDR3 HyperX Genesis Grey, PC3-12800 (1600), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-9-9-27, XMP, 1.5V
1TB Seagate ST31000524AS Barracuda 7200.12, SATA 6Gb/s, 7200rpm, 32MB Cache, 8.5ms, NCQ
Asus Xonar DG 5.1 PCI Sound Card & Headphone Ampifier, OEM
Colors IT ACT KB-8108 Multimedia Office Pro Keyboard, Silver/Black with MIC/Speakers SKYPE Ready

£455.99(inc VAT)

Thats a good deal!

Add 130 for graphics card and you have everything.
Last edited by smokedereefa at Feb 27, 2012,
#15
Cant beat the cheap coolermaster hyper 212+ for cooling a 2500k. Have mine running @ 4.5 ghz.

Radeon HD6770 or 6750 - I run battlefield 3 on ultra + Crysis on this nicely.


Yeah good luck doing that on a large display with either of those 2 cards.

For the TS, what monitor/resolution do you want to play games on? Higher resolution monitors need more video horsepower.
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#17
Quote by &baconstrips
wait for ivy bridge processors, they should be coming out in april


Nope, delayed to June. And from leaks, they are will only be marginally faster. And better on power/heat.
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#19
Ahhh cool. And lol @ the benchmarks of 3000 vs 4000 HD on-board video. As if anyone who's buying an unlocked multiplier CPU would actually use the onboard GPU.
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#20
Quote by DarthV

Yeah good luck doing that on a large display with either of those 2 cards.

For the TS, what monitor/resolution do you want to play games on? Higher resolution monitors need more video horsepower.


Sure but im not a heavy gamer and its a great card for the price (Radeon 6870) + It was just an recommendation to help give some idea.
--------

Radeon 6870

Dual-link DVI
Max resolution: 2560x1600

VGA
Max resolution: 2048x1536

-----

GTX 560 Ti

Maximum Digital Resolution 2560x1600

Maximum VGA Resolution 2048x1536


Both around the same price range with the 6870 being cheaper but that depends on what TS wants to spend on graphics card.
Last edited by smokedereefa at Feb 27, 2012,
#21
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#22
Quote by smokedereefa
Sure but im not a heavy gamer and its a great card for the price (Radeon 6870) + It was just an recommendation to help give some idea.
--------

Radeon 6870

Dual-link DVI
Max resolution: 2560x1600

VGA
Max resolution: 2048x1536

-----

GTX 560 Ti

Maximum Digital Resolution 2560x1600

Maximum VGA Resolution 2048x1536


Both around the same price range with the 6870 being cheaper but that depends on what TS wants to spend on graphics card.



It's not going to be really heavy gaming


I've looked at seperate components through DABS:

Intel i5 2400

ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3 S1155 Intel Z68 DDR3 ATX

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz

Corsair Memory 600W Builder Series CX V2 ATX PSU

Asus ATI Radeon 6850 HD 790MHz 1GB PCI-Express HDMI

EZCool H620 Case with Window

Samsung 1TB F2 EcoGreen

Sony Optiarc 24x Internal DVD Multi Writer with Black Bezel Bare


this comes in at 553 inc vat and excluding a few quid for delivery

Has anyone ordered from dabs before?

I also have another question if something goes wrong with hardware which is bought from any of the sites you guys have recommended? How do you go about the returns process etc...?


thanks guys much appreciated
Gear

ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
Line 6 POD HD300
#23
Quote by stormtrooper887
It's not going to be really heavy gaming


I've looked at seperate components through DABS:

Intel i5 2400

ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3 S1155 Intel Z68 DDR3 ATX

Asus ATI Radeon 6850 HD 790MHz 1GB PCI-Express HDMI

EZCool H620 Case with Window

Samsung 1TB F2 EcoGreen

Sony Optiarc 24x Internal DVD Multi Writer with Black Bezel Bare


this comes in at 553 inc vat and excluding a few quid for delivery

Has anyone ordered from dabs before?

I also have another question if something goes wrong with hardware which is bought from any of the sites you guys have recommended? How do you go about the returns process etc...?


thanks guys much appreciated



If your going to buy it individually change it a little bit.

Asrock motherboard replace with - Asus P8Z68-M PRO (few pounds more features and 'higher quality' components. IIRC Asus and Asrock are the same company)

Asus 6850 replace with - MSI 6850 Cyclone or XFX 6850 version.

600 watt should be fine aswell.

Aside from that, everything looks good.

I'd personally get the 2500k incase you want to overclock but its your call man

Regarding the warranty, each component should have some but i have no idea about dabs in general.
Last edited by smokedereefa at Feb 27, 2012,
#24
My only issue/worry is if i do build it myself and 2 months down the line something goes wrong?
how do i locate the problem seeing as I wouldn't have a support service like PC specialist?
Gear

ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
Line 6 POD HD300
#25
Quote by stormtrooper887
My only issue/worry is if i do build it myself and 2 months down the line something goes wrong?
how do i locate the problem seeing as I wouldn't have a support service like PC specialist?


If something goes wrong you will have to troubleshoot it unless the components are faulty, The components will have their own warranty and troubleshooting help though.

If there is a problem then use your knowledge to troubleshoot from installing them :-

No power to Graphics card = PSU - check PCI express connection and make sure inserted correctly... etc etc..

If you follow the manuals and everythings compatiable with each other you should have no problem installing.
#26
Sapphire Technology ATI Radeon 6850 HD 775MHz 1GB PCI-Express HDMI

EZCool H620 Case with Window (No PSU)

Sony Optiarc 24x Internal DVD Multi Writer with Black Bezel Bare

Corsair Memory 600W Builder Series CX V2 ATX PSU

Samsung 1TB F2 EcoGreen 5400RPM SATA 3GB/s 32MB 3.5"


Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 LGA1155 Intel Z68 DDR3 ATX USB 3.0

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz LGA1155 6MB

Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 XMP


This is a slightly better build - would this all be compatible?

thanks a lot man, been a huge help
Gear

ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
Line 6 POD HD300
#27
Quote by stormtrooper887


This is a slightly better build - would this all be compatible?

thanks a lot man, been a huge help


Yea thats all compatible but why the Sapphire HD6850?

It will be a good fast computer.
#28
Quote by smokedereefa
Yea thats all compatible but why the Sapphire HD6850?

It will be a good fast computer.


you wouldn't suggest the 6850?

what other options the 550ti?
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ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
Line 6 POD HD300
#29
Quote by stormtrooper887
you wouldn't suggest the 6850?

what other options the 550ti?


Nah i meant why the sapphire version of the 6850?

Asus, MSI, XFX, sapphire have versions of the 6850. XFX are great and the MSI has a great fan on it.
#30
SATA drive?

If you want a beast for gaming (and any gaming beast will easily do audio for anything), why not go with a SS drive? I know they're more expensive, but when performance is a top priority for games, it might be something to consider.

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#31
Quote by axemanchris
SATA drive?

If you want a beast for gaming (and any gaming beast will easily do audio for anything), why not go with a SS drive? I know they're more expensive, but when performance is a top priority for games, it might be something to consider.

CT


haven't got the funds atm, but I will definitely consider it in the future
Gear

ESP LTD EC-401
Jackson DK2M
Line 6 POD HD300