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#1
If you're a male, aged 18-30 stop hovering and click the thread.

They don't have jobs. They're dropping out of college. They play video games all day and watch porn all night. Even their sperm counts are low. Why won't guys grow up?

THE WOMEN ARE IRATE. The women are talking about men, young men, the men they’d like to date and marry, and are they ever pissed. Here’s what they’re saying:

“All they want is sex. They don’t care about relationships.”

“They’re so lazy.”

“All they do is play video games.”

“They aren’t men. They’re boys.”

The women are a little bewildered. They’re good girls. They followed the script: did well in high school, got into college, worked hard there, got out, got jobs, started looking around for someone special to share life with, and …

“I met a guy the other night. Good-looking, smart. Twenty-eight years old. He still lives at home. With his mom.” Young men are now nearly twice as likely as young women to live with their parents; 59 percent of guys ages 18 to 24 and 19 percent of 25-to-34-year-olds live at home. Based on those Census Bureau stats, 64,000 young Philly men have returned to or never left the nest—and they all have mothers, ex-girlfriends, grandmothers, dads and other friends and relations worrying about their plight.

The women know what everybody’s saying: It’s the economy, stupid. Young men have been whacked particularly hard in this “mancession.” The statistics are scary: From 1960 to 2009, the number of working-age men with full-time jobs fell from 83 percent to 66 percent. In Philadelphia, half of all young adults are unemployed. But three in 10 young men ages 25 to 34 had stopped looking for work before the recession hit. So it’s not just the economy. There’s something more at play.

The sad fact is, women may have doomed their own hopes by being so successful. Gender identity, sociologists say, is developed oppositionally. If boys see girls behaving in a certain way—working hard and excelling in school—they define masculinity in opposite terms: A real man doesn’t work hard at school or get good grades. The more that women try to set an example of responsible adult behavior, the more the guys shout along with the band Deer Tick: “We’re full-grown men but we act like kids!”


http://www.phillymag.com/articles/the_sorry_lives_and_confusing_times_of_today_s_young_men/page1

I stumbled upon this very good article concerning the paths men (or rather, boys) take these days in comparison to how they used to "do things". It's very interesting and tell you a few stories about some men, their lives, how women look at men these days, possible reasons for the de-masculinity during the last few decades. How men these days don't have the same aspirations, but rather only want to stay at home, play video games and watch porn.

Maybe I didn't sell the article in there fully, but trust me, it's a good read. Even though it's not from the BBC

I don't agree with all of it, though, like this:
“The world tells us that white American men are extremely powerful,” says Harper. “Statistics show they are disproportionately advantaged in all sorts of ways. But individual white men don’t feel privileged or advantaged. People pay more attention to women, to minorities, and white men feel, ‘Nobody is paying attention to me.’”

That’s where video games come in. Like porn, they provide a sense of mastery. Research shows males prefer games in which they feel “emotions that sustain dominant masculine identity”—in which they drive fast, blow things up, kill things, and sometimes batter women. But it’s not the content that’s the biggest problem; it’s the time commitment. Half of all college students say video games keep them from studying “some” or “a lot.” A few years back, a disgruntled *co-ed told the New York Times she’d sworn off *gamers for good because “they’re choosing to do something that wastes their time and sucks the life out of them.”

I mean video games are quite common and I'm sure is a part of procastrinating, but I don't think they're used for taking control where one perceive he has no control. They're more about fun, blowing off steam, exploration, cooperation, strategy, perhaps no more advanced than a game of chess or monopoly when you think about it.

Anyways, I know I'm asking a lot since it's a longer read than usual, but thoughts, anyone?
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#2
I can think of maybe three guys out of all the guys I've met who fit that mold. Then again similar people tend to group together so it's not entirely surprising.
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I can think of maybe three guys out of all the guys I've met who fit that mold. Then again similar people tend to group together so it's not entirely surprising.

Yes, I don't really know that many people who are exactly like the people in the articles, but I think it should be very relevant for this site or their friends.
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#6
Hedonism, here I come.
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#7
I've met a total of two people who this can apply to, so I'm going to go ahead and say it's Philadelphia's problem, not the world's problem.
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#9
I have absolutely no aspirations whatsoever to fit that idealised woman's view of the middle-class city boy earning 40k a year and living in a bachelor pad just waiting for the right chick to bump into him at the bar. It's ****ing stupid.
#10
The video game thesis seems like a bit of a stretch to me. I thought the part about males having power but being ignored was interesting though. I feel that way sometimes. I'm on a campus that's BIG on diversity, so guess who has no representation in any way? White, non-religious, straight males.

It's frustrating, but on the other hand, I take the fact that I'm not generally discriminated against in any way for granted constantly so...call it even?

I really still have the upper hand, probably. That's just my perception.

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#12
Innnnnnn West Philadelphia born and raised with my parents where I spent most of my days
Not getting a job, playin video games and not goin to class cuz class is lame
When a couple of guys that were up to no good started tryin to wake up my neighborhood
I got kicked outta my house while they were there and I was forced to live with my auntie and uncle in Bel-Air

#13
its just the patriarchy system once again devising new ways to piss of women.damn pigs
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#14
I don't live at home, so **** you misses scientists.


edit: article and research were done by women, so I don't believe anything they are saying.
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#16
It implies too much.
First off, as an American with immigrant parents I shall say that whatever goes on in the US isn't the definitive standard of everyone around the world.

I have a 30 year old cousin (in Mexico) who still lives at home and somehow he still gets laid. The article bits imply that relationships are built more around material possesions?

If I don't have my own place, a car, or a college degree I'm not really a man?
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If I don't have my own place, a car, or a college degree I'm not really a man?

Real men are people without college degrees, with crappy cars and who treat their women with the humiliation they deserve.


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#20
I enjoy relationships, I'm not lazy, and I don't play video game that often.
I don't have a job, but I'm always looking and I live with my parents because I can't afford a place of my own even though I want to move out.
I find it pretty annoying to be lumped into this group of men.
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I enjoy relationships, I'm not lazy, and I don't play video game that often.
I don't have a job, but I'm always looking and I live with my parents because I can't afford a place of my own.
I find it pretty annoying to be lumped into this group of men.


Sounds like you belong in that group of men. All you need to do is play more video games and become lazy. You know you want to
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#24
Having a job sucks. I wish I could play video games all day. >_>
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Sounds like you belong in that group of men. All you need to do is play more video games and become lazy. You know you want to

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“The majority of the guys my age that I meet are immature,” says Jessica *Claremon, a blunt, outspoken 24-year-old who grew up in Fort Washington and now lives in New York City, where she works for Nickelodeon. “I would never call them ‘men.’”

I think that may be her problem.
#26
I'm pretty lazy and live with my parents. But I have consistently had a job for over 4 years, don't play video games/watch porn, and like relationships. Take that women.
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#28
"They're good girls."

right.
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#32
I mean I play video games and stuff, but as soon as Im off to college I dont see me staying with mother. I think there is a certain age where you have to "man up". But hey, times have changed alot.

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#36
I spent all day MAKING video games, how do you like dem apples, ladies?

But seriously, I've rarely come across guys that are lazy like that. Seriously, I'M fricken lazy and I've been working nearly non-stop since I was 16. I have no idea what kind of men these people are talking about.
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I spent all day MAKING video games, how do you like dem apples, ladies?

But seriously, I've rarely come across guys that are lazy like that. Seriously, I'M fricken lazy and I've been working nearly non-stop since I was 16. I have no idea what kind of men these people are talking about.

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#38
I could agree with that.
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#39
Wow. Those were some infuriating generalizations, bullshit, lies, etc. I just read.
#40
I have a job, am 21 years old and still live at home with my parents. Why? Because I cannot afford a house, apartment or car payments. Mostly because I don't get paid a lot and well inflation.

Also, all the people I know, are older than me and still in school and still live off their parents' funds so.


However, it seems that the article is blaming men for women being too busy to look for successful males?
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