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#1
Hello everyone!

I recently purchased a Gibson 61' reissue SG and I am looking for proper amp.

I am deciding between

Hybride 120W LANEY
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/guitar_amplifiers/laney/lv300_twin/index.html

120W valve Bugera
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/guitar_amplifiers/bugera/333xl_212/index.html

I want it mostly for live performances, but will I be able to play at home (with adequate volume) via bugera?

Thanks for replies!
#3
If you want a clean sound worth a shit that doesn't need drowned in effects then I wouldn't go Bugera ... In fact, I just wouldn't ever go Bugera, they're very low quality amps ... which is what you'd expect for their deceivingly low price.
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#4
I can only speak from experience with my 333xl. Personally I think it sounds amazing both live and in a bedroom environment. It definitely shines when you crank it though.

Play them both and see what you think.
Last edited by DeathMetalJesus at Feb 28, 2012,
#5
Quote by La Qotsa
If you want a clean sound worth a shit that doesn't need drowned in effects then I wouldn't go Bugera ... In fact, I just wouldn't ever go Bugera, they're very low quality amps ... which is what you'd expect for their deceivingly low price.


Learn to use an amplifier. I can easily get cleans, blues crunch through to a great sounding metal tone with my 6262. And it hasn't broken down on me yet. They sound amazing.
Gear:

Gibson 2005 Les Paul Standard
Fender Road Worn Strat w/ Noiseless pickups
Marshall JCM 2000 401C
Marshall Vintage Modern 2266
Marshall 1960A cab (Dave Hill from Slade's old cab)
Ibanez TS9DX
EHX Little Big Muff
Freshman Acoustic
#6
Quote by ProphetToJables
Learn to use an amplifier. I can easily get cleans, blues crunch through to a great sounding metal tone with my 6262. And it hasn't broken down on me yet. They sound amazing.


I think I know how to use my amp fine. And my opinion is that Bugeras don't sound amazing, I'm entitled to say what I feel about my experience with them. What else is hilarious is that one or more of the tubes blew when I cranked it after owning it for 3 days ... Wasn't impressed.
Last edited by La Qotsa at Feb 28, 2012,
#7
Tubes aren't great in them no. I replaced mine when I got it. Which model do you have?
Gear:

Gibson 2005 Les Paul Standard
Fender Road Worn Strat w/ Noiseless pickups
Marshall JCM 2000 401C
Marshall Vintage Modern 2266
Marshall 1960A cab (Dave Hill from Slade's old cab)
Ibanez TS9DX
EHX Little Big Muff
Freshman Acoustic
#8
Quote by ProphetToJables
Tubes aren't great in them no. I replaced mine when I got it. Which model do you have?


It was a 6262 ... and sure enough, it didn't stay within my household for any more than a week.
#9
just no.
Gear:

Gibson 2005 Les Paul Standard
Fender Road Worn Strat w/ Noiseless pickups
Marshall JCM 2000 401C
Marshall Vintage Modern 2266
Marshall 1960A cab (Dave Hill from Slade's old cab)
Ibanez TS9DX
EHX Little Big Muff
Freshman Acoustic
#10
I am willing to spend up to 700$. The location is Czech Republic. Unfortunately, I am not able to try them in shop, because bugera is avaible only in one shop which is 200 km far.

Its hard to make decision - somebody adores Bugera, somebody hates it.

I want to play clean sound with EHX Small clone and BOOS CH5 chorus pedals.
#11
Quote by ProphetToJables
just no.


Kid, what does "just no" even mean?

How many amps have you honestly tried out at the age of 18 ... I'm guessing not very many unless you started buying amps at 1 year old. Sounds like you love Bugera because it's the only big amp you've ever owned.

Quote by harryharry
I am willing to spend up to 700$. The location is Czech Republic. Unfortunately, I am not able to try them in shop, because bugera is avaible only in one shop which is 200 km far.

Its hard to make decision - somebody adores Bugera, somebody hates it.

I want to play clean sound with EHX Small clone and BOOS CH5 chorus pedals.


Just my advice to you buddy, but Bugera are bashed a lot more than they are praised, and I can understand why after owning one.
#13
I would look for a used Laney, but I think you'd be better off trying to go tube... As I understand it, their older model SS were decent, but they don't compare to their tube amps.

Do you have a speaker cabinet already or does that have to be factored into your budget?

Also, do you focus on any particular genre?

EDIT: If you want to focus on cleans, the VC15/30 would probably be a nice choice. Fenders might be easier to find however...
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Last edited by Quinlan at Feb 28, 2012,
#14
Quote by La Qotsa
Kid, what does "just no" even mean?

How many amps have you honestly tried out at the age of 18 ... I'm guessing not very many unless you started buying amps at 1 year old. Sounds like you love Bugera because it's the only big amp you've ever owned.


And you have the knowledge of a wizened yogi at 20.


New bugeras are great for the price. I wouldn't buy one used but the infinium models are great amps for someone who doesn't want to break the bank.

That said, I would look at the used market for something like a nice fender if you only want cleans.
#15
I checked used amps, but they are overpriced. I refuse to pay 80% of the original price when it is older than 3 yrs. And I can't afford to order it from abroad, It would be pain in the ass if the amp was broken.

I don't have a speaker cabinet. That will be the next thing on my "need to buy" list.

I focus on red hot chilli peppers style.
#16
Quote by La Qotsa
If you want a clean sound worth a shit that doesn't need drowned in effects then I wouldn't go Bugera ... In fact, I just wouldn't ever go Bugera, they're very low quality amps ... which is what you'd expect for their deceivingly low price.



Stop talking shite

The 333 specifically has an amazing channel, don't be butthurt because your tubes blew once. It can happen to any amp. I for one have got nothing but compliments from people of how great the amp sounded.

You clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about and don't have any valid information to back up the utter horse excretion you are spewing in this thread.
Gear
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Harley Benton G212 Vintage
Ibanez RGA 121 Prestige
ESP LTD DJ600
Fender USA Stratecaster
Maxon O808
TC Electronic Flashback Delay
ISP Decimator
MXR 10 Band EQ
Boss T-U3 Tuner Pedal
#17
Quote by La Qotsa
Kid, what does "just no" even mean?

How many amps have you honestly tried out at the age of 18 ... I'm guessing not very many unless you started buying amps at 1 year old. Sounds like you love Bugera because it's the only big amp you've ever owned.


Just my advice to you buddy, but Bugera are bashed a lot more than they are praised, and I can understand why after owning one.



*17. Probably a lot more than you we get a lot through the store.
Gear:

Gibson 2005 Les Paul Standard
Fender Road Worn Strat w/ Noiseless pickups
Marshall JCM 2000 401C
Marshall Vintage Modern 2266
Marshall 1960A cab (Dave Hill from Slade's old cab)
Ibanez TS9DX
EHX Little Big Muff
Freshman Acoustic
#18
If you want a Laney around that price range, look for a used GH50L, GH100L, VH100R or VC50 if you need a healthy amount of gain. Look for a VC30 if you'd rather have something a bit tamer.


Bugeras... I liked the V22 I tried, I didn't like the V55 or 333. Other ones I have not played.


Honestly though, we can't help you much unless you tell us your price range and what music you want to play. We can also check for used stuff if you tell us your location.
#20
Look into a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, invest in a distortion or fuzz pedal down the road. The Hot Rod isn't precisely what RHCP use (far from it), but it works for that style of music very well.


If that 80% thing you posted is what's holding you back from purchasing used gear, you have either not been very lucky, or have not been looking hard enough. I've bought gear (including amps) in pristine condition for less than half of the new price several times, as have many others on this site. Again, we can look stuff up for you. Just an offer, your choice entirely.
#21
That Hot Rod looks fantastic, but its way too far from my price range. Do you really think that neither the Laney and Bugera wouldn't be adequate?
#22
Out of a Laney hybrid and a Bugera you couldn't get two amps further apart in all ways possible. The Laney is supremely reliable but sounds shit, the Bugera sounds good but isn't what you'd call reliable. Total Yin and yang there.
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#24
Quote by TheQuailman



He said in a previous post that he's located in The Czech Rep.

Harry, how much are you willing to spend in Czech Kurona?
Gear:


Fender American Hand Stained stratocaster
Fender 72' Telecaster Deluxe FSR

Squier Vista Venus

Boss TU-3
Boss OD-3
Pro co Rat 2
EHX Big Muff Nano
EHX Small clone
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#25
Quote by La Qotsa
It was a 6262 ... and sure enough, it didn't stay within my household for any more than a week.

I had my 6262 for more than 3 yrs with stock tubes with no problems. Seems like it was pretty reliable to me smartguy.
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#26
Czech, eh?

Consider this one, then:
http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/EUR/Fame-GTA-40-R-40-Watt-all-Tube-Combo/art-GIT0007943-000

Covers the same ground as the Hot Rod. (Granted, the Hot Rod has a dirt-channel, but it's so sucky it hardly counts).
This'd also leave plenty of money to get a nice dirt pedal or two.

One of these may also be worth a shot if you need something with a good overdrive-channel, though for cleans, I'd absolutely take the aforementioned GTA40
http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/EUR/Guitars/Tube-combo-amps/Laney--/art-GIT0014006-000
http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/EUR/Guitars/Tube-combo-amps/Hughes-Kettner-Statesman-Quad-EL84-BK-Combo-Black/art-GIT0015547-000


And my personal favourite:
http://www.musicstore.de/en_EN/EUR/Guitars/Tube-combo-amps/Hughes-Kettner-Statesman-Dual-6L6-BK-Combo-Black/art-GIT0015549-000V003857

One of the most underrated amps in recent years imo, and it's been discontinued some time ago, so they are getting hard to find. Great cleans (easily on par with the Hot Rod or GTA40, if not better) and a very nice overdrive-channel on top. Very very recommended.
#27
Thanks for replies! Good advices! That Huges & Kettner looks fantastic and cheap compared to shops in cz rep.

I am willing to spend 700$ = 600EUR = 15 000 CZK.

I have one basic question - why are valve amps so small? 40W valve amp costs like 150W transistor amp. Has such a small amp power to sound regular hall without addional repro boxes? Currently, when I have a life performance, I borrow 60W laney from my friend and sound it through microphone. It has suprisingly good sound.

EDIT : If you want, you can try "czech ebay" www.aukro.com and search "kombo". There are the worst amps. I could buy it from UK, but the price isnt much better and the shippment would cost fortune. Germany looks fine to me.
Last edited by harryharry at Feb 29, 2012,
#28
Wattage has actually very little to do with volume. The difference in volume between a 40w amp and a 150w amp isn't terribly big. What's more important is speaker-efficiency: Cheap amps will usually come with cheap, inefficient speakers that won't be very loud. The GTA40 that I linked to, for example, comes with a speaker that isn't the best (far from it), but it's relatively efficient, so it translates the amp's 40w into a lot of volume.

As a rule of thumb, you need 10 times the wattage to double the volume, roughly. So a 100w amp is only twice as loud as a 10w amp.

Furthermore, tube amps are typically louder than solid-state amps. SS-amps are rated at what they can put out max, so a 50w ss-amp will put out 50w maximum. Tube amps are rated at what they can put out before their power-stage overdrives. So a 40w tube amp will put out 40w of clean power; if you dial in even more volume, the power-amp will overdrive. As a rule of thumb, a tube-amp at full volume will put out 1.5 times the wattage it is rated at, but this varies from amp to amp.


Now the info that is actually useful to you:
A 15w tube-amp through a good speaker will be loud enough for band use, though it may not be perfectly clean with a loud band in a large room. But it will suffice.

What's the point of big amps, then? A large power-section sounds different from a small one. A 100w amp will have a more pronounced, more controlled, more powerful low-end than a 50w amp. Whichever is the better choice is up to taste.


If you should ever come into a situation where a 15w tube amp wouldn't be loud enough any more, you will need to mic your amp, independant of how loud/powerful your amp actually is. If you need to play a really big, loud gig, you will need to have everything mic'd and mixed through a PA, or your sound will be complete shit. So once again, volume isn't really an issue for guitarists... you will often have the problem of being too loud, rather than too quiet.


And if you can spend the extra 50 bucks on the H&K, it's worth it. I also do recommend buying from musicstore.de or thomann.de if you can't get what you want for a good price locally. I've bought stuff from both of them several times. They have some of the best service in the business.
#30
Quote by La Qotsa
If you want a clean sound worth a shit that doesn't need drowned in effects then I wouldn't go Bugera ... In fact, I just wouldn't ever go Bugera, they're very low quality amps ... which is what you'd expect for their deceivingly low price.

You're talking absolute bollocks, mate.



A Red Hot Chili Peppers-esque live rig for under 15 000CSK? Easy peasy.

http://www.thomann.de/cz/bugera_1990_infinium.htm
http://www.thomann.de/cz/harley_benton_g212_vintage.htm
#31
TheQuailman - I understand now, thanks for excellent advices!

Edit : One more question - is better for me to have an amp (and later buy guitar cabinet) or should I buy guitar head with cabinet now?
Last edited by harryharry at Feb 29, 2012,
#32
A head and cab will almost invariably cost more than a combo of the same quality. At this price point, you'd probably have more luck with a combo. The real downside of a combo is it's open back - which makes it sound less focused and heavy with distortion as a comparable head + cab.
However, since for the sound you requested you will mostly need cleans, a combo should be fine. (By the way, this doesn't mean that a combo can't sound good distorted - most of them are just fine for it, but a comparable stack will usually be a tad better at it.)
#34
Those are both very nice amps. Personally, I like the VC30 better out of the two. The Statesman EL84 is different from the 6L6 - the EL84 has much more gain on tap, but it's cleans aren't half as good as those of the 6L6.
#36
Looks good. You should inspect it closely, and see if everything works the way it should - in short, play it.

This is also the 2x12" version - imo they sound considerably better than the 1x12", but they are pretty big and heavy. Still, great amp, definitely go and take a closer look.

If it is in good shape, that is a very very good price.
Last edited by TheQuailman at Mar 1, 2012,
#37
Quote by harryharry
I took your advice and searched the shops with used amps and I found this.

Do you think I should go for it?
http://hudebnibazar.cz/inzerat.php?ID=664741&page=1&kategorie=110400&nabpop=vse&region=&ins=25&order=datum
40% of original price

Bud the seller doesn't mention age and condition.


Ask him. It's quite a nice amp!
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#38
I have that Laney and its pretty tasty and versatile. You might want to get a booster pedal if you want the uber saturated modern metal sound
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#39
So I spent 6 hours in a car and bought the amp. It is 5+ yrs old, but not used much - too big, too loud and too heavy for previous owner.

To sum up :
+ amazing sound, Celestions were made in UK (I has maybe better sound then the new VC30 112 amp that I tryied in the local music store)
+ good shape, looks like a new amp

- valves weren't replaced so far
- reverb isnt working
- smelled like staleness - probably stored in attic
- potenciometers description vanished

I love this amp! I cleaned it and replaced some screews. It doesn't smell so bad anymore. I am planning to fix the reverb, is reverb the black box in the bootom of the amp?

Once again - thanks to everybody that replied to me, I am extremely satisfied with this amp.

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#40
Nice!


Yeah, the reverb can is usually in an extra metal box at the bottom. There is, however, some circuitry in the amp that drives the reverb, hard to tell what's actually broken if the reverb's broken. Take it to a technician if you can, don't poke around in it yourself.
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