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I'm talking mostly about economic ideology, what we would commonly know as capitalism, anarcho-capitalism, communism, socialism, fascism, anarchism, neocolonialism, and muslim economics. Given the status quo, and by looking at some of the countries that practice these respective ideologies, we can start to piece together some theories speculating which ideology will dominate 100 years from now. It could even be a innovative hybrid of two or more of these ideologies, or maybe one's future success is already set in your view. But I want to know, by looking at today's trends, what do you think the world's governments will practice in 100 years? And which ideologies are doomed to failure?
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Socialism and communism are doomed to fail.
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The worlds population will be restituted (auto correct wants prostituted, what ever) to digging coal for our worlds industry while the mafiosoesque leaders at the top war for territory and control

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Personally I hope it'll be similar to The Venus Project

Unfortunately I think it'll be more capitalism, more poverty, more inequality and more war.

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There's no way to tell, because regimes change and so does the general political stance of a nations citizens.
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Personally I hope it'll be similar to The Venus Project

Unfortunately I think it'll be more capitalism, more poverty, more inequality and more war.

How is capitalism unfortunate?
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Steve Jobs will be resurrected and will be voted in as president of Haiti, which he will transform in to a modern superpower.
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No, seriously.
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No, seriously.


I can't be bothered getting in to a pro/anti capitalism debate, it's too late

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Project Eden.


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Personally I hope it'll be similar to The Venus Project

Unfortunately I think it'll be more capitalism, more poverty, more inequality and more war.

There's no way I'm living in equidistant, circular cities.

Also, the idea of abolishing money has done before, and without fail lead to mass starvation.
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How is capitalism unfortunate?


Capitalism calls for perpetual growth, which is simply not possible without exploiting every possible market out there. It is a system destined to bring inequality (at least in its uncompromising, laissez-faire form).
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The zeitgeist movement!

Personally, I think anything but a dictatorship is okay for me. Well, except for a world where companies run it.
If there was some way in which we could eradicate the need for money then we'd probably be able to progress.
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Capitalism calls for perpetual growth, which is simply not possible without exploiting every possible market out there. It is a system destined to bring inequality (at least in its uncompromising, laissez-faire form).
Inequality is not necessarily a bad thing, though.
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Capitalism calls for perpetual growth, which is simply not possible without exploiting every possible market out there. It is a system destined to bring inequality (at least in its uncompromising, laissez-faire form).


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The zeitgeist movement!

Personally, I think anything but a dictatorship is okay for me. Well, except for a world where companies run it.
If there was some way in which we could eradicate the need for money then we'd probably be able to progress.


If you refer to my post a bit further up, you'll see what I think is a viable alternative

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I hope you have some good reasons for this lol

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Capitalism calls for perpetual growth, which is simply not possible without exploiting every possible market out there. It is a system destined to bring inequality (at least in its uncompromising, laissez-faire form).
Inequality is not necessarily a bad thing, though.

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I can't be bothered getting in to a pro/anti capitalism debate, it's too late
Fair enough, man.
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Inequality is not necessarily a bad thing, though.


Tell that to the working class.
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I hope you have some good reasons for this lol


Well, inequality creates incentives. Incentives, incentives, incentives. That's why the Occupy Protests happened, for example. Because people care, and systems like capitalism usually let them do something about it.

Inequality has many cons to it as well, of course.
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Well, inequality creates incentives. Incentives, incentives, incentives. That's why the Occupy Protests happened, for example. Because people care, and systems like capitalism usually let them do something about it.

Inequality has many cons to it as well, of course.

Thank you.
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Well, inequality creates incentives. Incentives, incentives, incentives. That's why the Occupy Protests happened, for example. Because people care, and systems like capitalism usually let them do something about it.

Inequality has many cons to it as well, of course.


Incentives for what, exactly?

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Well, inequality creates incentives. Incentives, incentives, incentives. That's why the Occupy Protests happened, for example. Because people care, and systems like capitalism usually let them do something about it.

Inequality has many cons to it as well, of course.

But if the inequality wasn't there in the first place then why would there be the need for protests.

I believe true equality is impossible, there will always be a 'minority'.

However, bridging the gap between the rich and the poor is definitely an option.
Just because someone's poor doesn't mean they don't know how to handle money. They may have just been unlucky enough to not have had the best opportunities to get into a position of financial stability.
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Incentives for what, exactly?
Incentive to excel to your highest capacity. Incentive to do better. Incentive to have what you want and to live comfortably for you and for your family.
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But if the inequality wasn't there in the first place then why would there be the need for protests.

I believe true equality is impossible, there will always be a 'minority'.

However, bridging the gap between the rich and the poor is definitely an option.
Just because someone's poor doesn't mean they don't know how to handle money. They may have just been unlucky enough to not have had the best opportunities to get into a position of financial stability.
What does needing the best opportunity have to do with being successful? There are plenty that have worked up from poverty to riches.
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While inequality creates incentives, it doesn't create the means through which they may be realised.
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Incentive to excel to your highest capacity. Incentive to do better. Incentive to have what you want and to live comfortably for you and for your family.


Incentive to do better at what?

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What does needing the best opportunity have to do with being successful? There are plenty that have worked up from poverty to riches.


Multiply that number by hundreds of millions. You now have the number of people who haven't.

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Economic models of infinite growth will finally be banished because they're unrealistic. I believe things are taking a turn for the better now...but it still boggles my mind how people with degrees could actually think those things would work.
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Incentive to do better at what?
To do better at your profession


Multiply that number by hundreds of millions. You now have the number of people who haven't.

And you point is..?
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There is no future.
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While inequality creates incentives, it doesn't create the means through which they may be realised.
We aren't discussing inequality, we're discussing Capitalism. Capitalism creates inequality, and in a capitalist economy, you can become higher on the food chain.
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To do better at your profession


And you point is..?


My point is that anyone with basic human feelings should feel disgusted that we live in a world where this is possible. It isn't "just the way it is", it's a direct result of the capitalist system.

Why would I want to do better at my profession when I'm making a very basic wage, barely enough to live on.

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We aren't discussing inequality, we're discussing Capitalism. Capitalism creates inequality, and in a capitalist economy, you can become higher on the food chain.


You can also drop down on the food chain, is that fair? Also, refer to what I said earlier.

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Well, inequality creates incentives. Incentives, incentives, incentives. That's why the Occupy Protests happened, for example. Because people care, and systems like capitalism usually let them do something about it.

Inequality has many cons to it as well, of course.


So you're saying that inequality isn't detrimental because it creates incentives to protest? Granted, capitalism does pave the way for innovation at a faster rate than a heavily-regulated market does, but it's too uncompromising and cutthroat. True capitalists don't care who they step on as long as they are able to maximize their profits.

Regarding Occupy, capitalism doesn't allow them to "do something about it", that's the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution you're talking about. Loosely-regulated capitalism and corporatism is the reason they're protesting.
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We aren't discussing inequality, we're discussing Capitalism. Capitalism creates inequality, and in a capitalist economy, you can become higher on the food chain.

I thought you were discussing inequality within the capitalist system?
And yes it may create incentives/opportunities to move up the social ladder, but it doesn't mean that these incentives are ever actually realised.
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#36
I agree with everyone a bit. If we truly ever did have socialism without a corrupt government, people would realize that theres absolutely no reason why they should do their jobs, and thus the world would grind to a halt. Some people who are self motivated would still work, but the vast majority would just sit around and complain about how the things they had weren't good enough and how they should be treated better.

Capitalism also has its drawbacks, in that its possible to exist without competition, and thus the big CEO's and executives are able to reach that same state where there is no incentive for them to do their jobs, and as such, they don't. Then we get giant businesses collapsing because their management is a bunch of self serving morons, and this causes a financial panic.

As for the future, I don't really care about the economy, money will take care of itself as long as the government isn't totally corrupt or evil. But I would like to see the development of something like Third Earth, for anyone who's a Pendragon fan and understands what I mean by that.
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^ The world economies are gonna collapse within the next decade...
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So you're saying that inequality isn't detrimental because it creates incentives to protest? Granted, capitalism does pave the way for innovation at a faster rate than a heavily-regulated market does, but it's too uncompromising and cutthroat. True capitalists don't care who they step on as long as they are able to maximize their profits.

Regarding Occupy, capitalism doesn't allow them to "do something about it", that's the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution you're talking about. Loosely-regulated capitalism and corporatism is the reason they're protesting.


Nope, I was saying that inequality isn't necessarily a bad thing. Look up the chain of posts I was responding on page 1 if you like. And the Occupy Protests, albiet not the perfect example, is a good demonstration of the incentives that are created by capitalist systems, which are/have been often absent in other systems.
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Socialism and communism are doomed to fail.

Your mom is doomed to suck my dick. Socialism's the shit.
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Nope, I was saying that inequality isn't necessarily a bad thing. Look up the chain of posts I was responding on page 1 if you like. And the Occupy Protests, albiet not the perfect example, is a good demonstration of the incentives that are created by capitalist systems, which are/have been often absent in other systems.


But the right to protest isn't courtesy of the U.S. capitalistic economic system, we have it because it's our constitutional right.

Capitalism =/= democracy.
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