#1
Hey guys, I have a Epi LP Custom with Gibson 57Classics, through a Fender Blues Jr.

I'd like to know how my guitar would compare against a genuine Gibson LP Custom ? How close am I ?
What would be the differences in the tone ?

Thanks!
#2
not close
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It wouldn't be as huge as some people would lead you to believe. You'll be able to feel the difference more than anyone not looking at the headstock will be able to hear. BUT the lesser wood quality combined with lesser electronics (aside from the pups) along with lesser construction quality will all contribute to a different and potentially lower quality tone. The similarities far outweigh the differences, you're much closer than someone with a strat, for example. You're even closer than my custom PRS.
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#4
I didn't know the electronics aside from the pups matted much in tone? I wanted to upgrade the electronics in fact but I asked on this board and I got the answer that it wasn't a big deal!
#5
It's not just the electronics that make up a Gibson. There's so much more involved.
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#6
Well if we're talking about things that Epiphone overlooks that Gibson doesn't, quality of signal chain is one of them and perhaps the one you have the most control over. You certainly can't pick a new piece of wood for the body or neck.
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It wouldn't be as huge as some people would lead you to believe. You'll be able to feel the difference more than anyone not looking at the headstock will be able to hear. BUT the lesser wood quality combined with lesser electronics (aside from the pups) along with lesser construction quality will all contribute to a different and potentially lower quality tone. The similarities far outweigh the differences, you're much closer than someone with a strat, for example. You're even closer than my custom PRS.


I wouldn't go so far as to say lower quality tone different to be sure but lower quality? Just remember tonal quality is subjective. Just look at all the gas threads. One mans bucket of shit is another mans treasure.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say lower quality tone different to be sure but lower quality? Just remember quality is subjective. One mans bucket of shit is another mans treasure.


By lower quality I mean lacking clarity, muddy, tinny, etc. If you like that sound, more power to you. Tone may be subjective but quality never has been and never will be.
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Quote by Artemis Entreri
It wouldn't be as huge as some people would lead you to believe. You'll be able to feel the difference more than anyone not looking at the headstock will be able to hear. BUT the lesser wood quality combined with lesser electronics (aside from the pups) along with lesser construction quality will all contribute to a different and potentially lower quality tone. The similarities far outweigh the differences, you're much closer than someone with a strat, for example. You're even closer than my custom PRS.


I checked a epiphone LP vs a gibson studio and a custom and they are all made a mahogany. Albeit, the Gibson custom was a solid piece of mahogany. Here is a quote from someone who works for gibson/epiphone

'Our Epiphone Les Paul guitars are built 100 percent to Gibson Les Paul specifications. However, an Epiphone Les Paul is different from a Gibson Les Paul in the following main areas: In general our [Epiphone] instruments are about 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of Gibson guitars. Therefore, we have to make some adjustments to the specifications in order to be able to offer our customers this kind of value....These adjustments include fewer inlays, a thinner maple-veneer top, and the use of chrome hardware instead of gold.'

I've listened to both, and the lower end epiphones aren't that great, but their high end customs are pretty damn good guitars. I've listened to people who collect gibsons say that Epiphone customs, while not the same, are pretty damn similar. I've even listened to the differences. I'm not saying a epiphone custom will beat out a extremely high end gibson, but as far as the more affordable gibsons go, I think they are pretty similar.
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I checked a epiphone LP vs a gibson studio and a custom and they are all made a mahogany. Albeit, the Gibson custom was a solid piece of mahogany. Here is a quote from someone who works for gibson/epiphone

'Our Epiphone Les Paul guitars are built 100 percent to Gibson Les Paul specifications. However, an Epiphone Les Paul is different from a Gibson Les Paul in the following main areas: In general our [Epiphone] instruments are about 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of Gibson guitars. Therefore, we have to make some adjustments to the specifications in order to be able to offer our customers this kind of value....These adjustments include fewer inlays, a thinner maple-veneer top, and the use of chrome hardware instead of gold.'

I've listened to both, and the lower end epiphones aren't that great, but their high end customs are pretty damn good guitars. I've listened to people who collect gibsons say that Epiphone customs, while not the same, are pretty damn similar. I've even listened to the differences. I'm not saying a epiphone custom will beat out a extremely high end gibson, but as far as the more affordable gibsons go, I think they are pretty similar.



That's basically what I said....so I don't know why you're quoting me. But yeah, this.
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That's basically what I said....so I don't know why you're quoting me. But yeah, this.


The way it was worded seemed to be slighting the guitar, but I also have some sort of dyslexia and I misread some of what you said, so

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#12
that's good stuff, so Epi are actually really good. Not to forget that I have Gibson 57classics in mine. The stock pups were not so good.

So in terms of tone, I would lack of what, sustain maybe?
#13
well the thinner maple is going to make a big difference.

not as bright. lows won't be as punchy.

but I'm basing it on comparing it to a custom shop.

if you are comparing a gibson lp studio to a more expensive epiphone lp the difference will be less noticable.
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well the thinner maple is going to make a big difference.

not as bright. lows won't be as punchy.

but I'm basing it on comparing it to a custom shop.

if you are comparing a gibson lp studio to a more expensive epiphone lp the difference will be less noticable.


I'd certainly rather have an Epiphone than the newest cheapo Gibsons that are around $400.
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#15
I own an Epiphone Les Paul. With replaced hardware, pups, elecs, nut and tuners it sounds better than lower end (IE: studio/sub $1000) gibson les pauls. Does it sound better than an $1800 Les Paul? I don't know, it sounds different. Not in a bad way, though.

Though, straight up: the Gibson pickups are much better than the Epiphone ones, but that's empirical data regarding the pickups on their own. With a good amp, you'll notice a decent change in tone with the upgraded pickups.
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#16
i had a high-end epi LP for a couple of years. sounded alright. nothing compared to a gibson i played in a shop though.

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I checked a epiphone LP vs a gibson studio and a custom and they are all made a mahogany. Albeit, the Gibson custom was a solid piece of mahogany. Here is a quote from someone who works for gibson/epiphone

'Our Epiphone Les Paul guitars are built 100 percent to Gibson Les Paul specifications. However, an Epiphone Les Paul is different from a Gibson Les Paul in the following main areas: In general our [Epiphone] instruments are about 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of Gibson guitars. Therefore, we have to make some adjustments to the specifications in order to be able to offer our customers this kind of value....These adjustments include fewer inlays, a thinner maple-veneer top, and the use of chrome hardware instead of gold.'

congrats bro, you've just discovered a thing called marketing.

hint: people flat-out lie to sell shit to you.
#17
Epiphone makes some nice budget guitars, but the level of QC and craftsmanship is not there like in a gibson. Gibson uses Nitro finishes, while Epiphone uses Polyester(trust me that alone is a huge diffrence right there).

While they say they have the same specs, the quality of wood is way better in a Gibson no matter what, unless your talking the Epi Elitist models and they were $1000+ guitars. Do you know there are really only 2 true spiecies of Mahogany and they are fom the Americas and you cant get them any more because of over foresting. So the "Mahogany" in a guitar now only refers to color (which I think is total BS).

I think Epi's are a good choice for the players who don't have $1000+ to throw down on a real Gibson. Just don't think that changing the PU's and electronics are gonna get you a Gibson, but you will end up with a nice playing sounding guitar.
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