#1
Ok, in getting an Orange TH30H in a few weeks but I've heard the the stock Chinese tubes are shit so I want to replace them immediately. I've got $200 max and I need 4 EL84 power tubes and 4 12AX7 Preamp Tubes.

I've looked at a few thing but I have no idea what's better.
I'm looking at:
Mesa: http://www.thomann.de/gb/mesa_boogie_tube_el84str6bq5_pair_grn.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/mesa_boogie_12ax7_wxt.htm

Sovtek: http://www.thomann.de/gb/sovtek_roehre_el84_paar.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/sovtek_roehre_12ax7_wxtps.htm

The Amp Doctor (TAD):
http://www.thomann.de/gb/tad_rt874_roehre_el84_str_quartett.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/tad_rt274_roehre_el84_cz_quartett.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/tad_rt001_roehreecc83_12ax7ac.htm

Which should I get? I play Classic Rock, Hard Rock, a bit of metal and I also play blues and funk so I want a good clean tone. I love the guns n roses rythm distortion tone and John frusciante's clean tone. What do you think of JJ tubes? Are they really that much worse? I can't afford groove tubes by the way.

Also, how easy is it to swap tubes? I assume that it's pretty much like changing a light bulbs. It's a class A amp so it shouldn't need biasing should it do it should be really simple, thanks.
Last edited by TheDuckMajor at Mar 5, 2012,
#2
You're getting a new amp, haven't played it long enough to get to know all the tones.
You heard someone say something about bad chinese tubes and now you want to throw yourself into the world of aftermarket tubes without really knowing anything about that...

My advice?

Have fun with your new amp and don't fix it if it ain't broken
#3
Quote by Dunkelheit-164
You're getting a new amp, haven't played it long enough to get to know all the tones.
You heard someone say something about bad chinese tubes and now you want to throw yourself into the world of aftermarket tubes without really knowing anything about that...

My advice?

Have fun with your new amp and don't fix it if it ain't broken


Dude, lots of people don't like the stock tubes and realize big differences afterwards. They also say that it's much noisier with the stock tubes.
I just want to get the best tones I can out of an amp that I'll be spending lots of money on and a $150 fee for that isn't going to hurt me.

Now, what would you recommend please?
#4
My bad, I just thought you were doing this too fast without really experiencing how bad the stock tubes are.

Those from TAD look really nice. I never put aftermarket tubes in my amps (yet), but I have played a Marshall dsl with stock tubes and the same amp with those tubes you proposed from TAD, and I really liked how the amp sounded.

It wasn't really an A/B test, more like before/(week)after, so I couldn't put my finger on how exactly the sound differred, but like I said; I noticed some improvement.


Btw: Thomann = the tits

Hey maybe you could record a video with same guitar, same settings and all and then have the tubes replaced and record it again with the same parameters.
That would be really interesting.
#5
Quote by Dunkelheit-164
My bad, I just thought you were doing this too fast without really experiencing how bad the stock tubes are.

Those from TAD look really nice. I never put aftermarket tubes in my amps (yet), but I have played a Marshall dsl with stock tubes and the same amp with those tubes you proposed from TAD, and I really liked how the amp sounded.

It wasn't really an A/B test, more like before/(week)after, so I couldn't put my finger on how exactly the sound differred, but like I said; I noticed some improvement.


Btw: Thomann = the tits

Hey maybe you could record a video with same guitar, same settings and all and then have the tubes replaced and record it again with the same parameters.
That would be really interesting.


Actually, I think I might do that. But I'll wait for about a week for the new tubes to break in before doing so. I'll say how i like the new tubes compared to the stock ones and all f that shizz. Now I've just got to wait 3 long weeks for my birthday. I've been GASsing all year and until 2 weeks ago I had no idea the this Orange even existed but it turns out that it's the amp that I've been looking for all along

One more question, do you know whether you need to bias the tubes if it's class A amp and how easy it is to replace the tubes?
#6
Honestly I don't know my way around the inside of an amp
That's why I thought about changing tubes but never did it
I just twist knobs on amps and pedals until I get the sound I want.

We need another guy in here
#7
I'm assuming you're a brit as you're using the gb thomann site.

I personally love JJ tubes, I would check out Karltone's eBay site, they do tube sets all computer and analog matched and tested and fully burned in, just plug them in your amp and you're ready to go.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EL84-x-4-ECC83-12AX7-x-4-JJ-Premium-Amp-Set-NEW-/220795626739?pt=UK_Consumer_VintageAudio_RL&hash=item336871e4f3

that there is the 4xEL84 4x12AX7 set (saved you the leg work)
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#8
Quote by Dunkelheit-164
Honestly I don't know my way around the inside of an amp
That's why I thought about changing tubes but never did it
I just twist knobs on amps and pedals until I get the sound I want.

We need another guy in here

That hopefully would be me :p

I can honestly recommend upgrading your stock tubes, you will generally notice a huge difference unless you have something boutique to begin with.


I personally love JJ tubes (make sure you get them from somewhere that tests them, hotrox or karltone in the UK, some of JJ's modern production tubes have been dodgy) but the Sovtek familiy (sovtek/electro harmonix/svetlana/tungsol) are pretty good too, they're all made by Sovtek and sound quite similar in my opinion, electro harmonix get the highest quality control but if you're ordering from somewhere that tests them it's less of an issue. Generally avoid Groove tubes and amp branded like mesa, fender, and they're mostly rebranded tubes and you pay more than their worth due to the them.

as for biasing... I'm not sure if the TH30 needs biasing, generally if they are fixed bias amps there's a control rather than poking round inside the amp which I don;t see on the TH so likely it's just plug and play.
Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top
Jet City JCA5212RC (SLO Modded)
Ibanez WD7 Wah
Mad Professor Sweet Honey Overdrive
TC Electronic Flashback Triple Delay
TC Electronic Trinity Reverb
#10
yeh, cause you wanna spend minimum £50 (or the belgish equivalent) on shipping to have me do the rather simple task of swapping your tubes
Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top
Jet City JCA5212RC (SLO Modded)
Ibanez WD7 Wah
Mad Professor Sweet Honey Overdrive
TC Electronic Flashback Triple Delay
TC Electronic Trinity Reverb
#11
Just so I can haz an Internationally Customized Geetar Ampz
On the other hand, I did say come do it here

Nah, I was only pullin' yer leg.

It's euros in Belgium btw
Last edited by Dunkelheit-164 at Mar 9, 2012,
#12
Im no tube expert but my blackstar amp came with TAD tubes and its generally accepted that there not overly reliable in these amps and that others sound better. As said above JJ tubes seem highly recommended by all. I have a set myself and all good so far.