Poll: Who's more punk?
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View poll results: Who's more punk?
A communist
4 9%
An anarchist
13 30%
Mark Hoppus from Blink 182
27 61%
Voters: 44.
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#2
I think not posting stupid threads is hella punk.
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#3
Both are political/idealogical persuasions. Neither is necessarily related to punk at all.
Your question makes almost no sense whatsoever
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#10
Doesn't matter both communists and anarchists are stupid as ****, oh and so are punks!
#11
Whatever G.G. Allin was.
I'm the same as I was when I was six years old
And oh my god I feel so damn old
I don't really feel anything
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#12
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An anarchist, because of that The Sex Pistols song.

FAWK YOU MAN. It's totally communists because of that Briefs song!
#15
Quote by neidnarb11890
Incidentally, Penny Rimbaud's gonna be speaking at my school tomorrow. Lulz.

Fo realz? That's craycray. What school is this madness?
#16
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Fo realz? That's craycray. What school is this madness?

University of New Haven, there's a course on punk rock this semester (which I'm not taking), & they got all sorts of punk cats comin' to speak.

Ian Mackaye is s'posed to be coming sometime in April, & I'm praying to God that it's not on the same day that I signed up for a presentation in the class that overlaps w/ the time of those presentations.
#17
Wow. That's pretty sweet. I've never taken a class on teh punx, but at UVA there is a super punk rock professor named Eric Lott who wears leopard print skinny jeans and sponsored my grant proposal to write a biography on the Heartbreakers. When we didn't get it he said "the ****in' man keeping us down!" He's great. He taught a fantastic class called The Long 1970s where we did have a day or two dedicated to listening to Patti Smith and the Ramones. Good times being a collegiate punx
#18
That's pretty rad. Too bad you didn't get the grant, I'd totes read a book you wrote about The Heartbreakers.
#19
Quote by neidnarb11890
That's pretty rad. Too bad you didn't get the grant, I'd totes read a book you wrote about The Heartbreakers.

I'd totally....skip class to go see Penny Rimbaud with you? Why not? You must report back. i'm very excited to hear about that. Ian Mackaye did a speech thing at my community college before I transfered but I didn't go....I've never liked his stuff so I figured it would have been pointless, but looking back it probably would have been interesting at least.

This should now be about how punx education is.
#20
Quote by jakesmellspoo
Republican Punks. all the way.

who wants to write conservative punk songs with me?

I'll give it a shot if ya wanna.

I don't have any cool punk rawk seminars to not skip class for, but there are plenty of pop/country/christian music industry classes where I go to school.
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#21
20 20 24 questions to gooooo
I wanna be debated

Get it, cuz of the Republican debates? W/e, I didn't come up with it anyway.
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#22
Quote by Jett Diamond
I'd totally....skip class to go see Penny Rimbaud with you? Why not? You must report back. i'm very excited to hear about that. Ian Mackaye did a speech thing at my community college before I transfered but I didn't go....I've never liked his stuff so I figured it would have been pointless, but looking back it probably would have been interesting at least.

This should now be about how punx education is.

Oh, I wasn't really plannin' on goin' to see him. I haven't listened to Crass in years & I already saw/met him once anyway, so whatevs. I'm gonna go to class & talk about French plays instead. Guess I'm not very punk.
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I don't have any cool punk rawk classes, but there are plenty of pop/country/christian music industry classes where I go to school.

Music industry's one of the bigger programs here.
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#23
I don't like liberals
I don't like intellectuals
I don't like income tax
I don't like the working class
And I'm against it

I don't like socialists
I don't like feminists
I don't like birth control
I don't like homosexuals
And I'm against it

I don't like the liberal media
I don't like encyclopedias
I don't care about poverty
All I care about is me
And I'm against it
#24
The music industry totally sux and everybody @ my school is lame. I rlly rlly hate it. :-( I had to do this project for my Demo Production class today (had to drive back to school during spring break ) and it was 'so effing lame,' I felt like I was doing a regular dumb project for some normal dumb class.

I rlly should drop out of school or 'effing off myself' or something, because (1) studying audio bullshit at a 4-year university is dumb (2) having 'a career in audio' is not rite 4 me because I'm not one of those bros who's like "man, I just loooove music & I don't care what dumb shit I have to produce as long as I get to work with music maaan," nor am I a "gear nerd" or something, nor do I have the initiative/will to SUCCEED IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY (3) I don't wanna study/doforaliving anything else because if I know I'm just gonna get out of school and be an accountant or something I might as well get my head exploded by a psychic seagull now—I already don't do my ****ing homework because I don't have the motivation man I'm a ****ing brat.

#25
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The music industry totally sux and everybody @ my school is lame. I rlly rlly hate it. :-( I had to do this project for my Demo Production class today (had to drive back to school during spring break ) and it was 'so effing lame,' I felt like I was doing a regular dumb project for some normal dumb class.

I rlly should drop out of school or 'effing off myself' or something, because (1) studying audio bullshit at a 4-year university is dumb (2) having 'a career in audio' is not rite 4 me because I'm not one of those bros who's like "man, I just loooove music & I don't care what dumb shit I have to produce as long as I get to work with music maaan," nor am I a "gear nerd" or something, nor do I have the initiative/will to SUCCEED IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY (3) I don't wanna study/doforaliving anything else because if I know I'm just gonna get out of school and be an accountant or something I might as well get my head exploded by a psychic seagull now—I already don't do my ****ing homework because I don't have the motivation man I'm a ****ing brat.



Buy a van.
#27
Everybody at my school is really lame, too. You should transfer to my 4 year college & be my new bro. &/or switch to some liberal arts major so that you can graduate & then be unemployed, 'cuz apparently that's what happens.

I don't really have any initiative to succeed in any field other than academics, so I'm just gonna go to grad school.

#28
As one approximately two months away from holding a degree in Poetry Writing, I have at least five different law firms, a consulting firm, and the President all vying for my post-collegiate attention. It's hard being in demand.
#29
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I don't know if that's a non-sequitur or if something went over my head.


A little of both.

Vans rule. You can live in them if you want. Or you can become competent at an instrument and ***** yourself out to bands. They'll kill to have a member with a van.

There are many benefits to having a van.

Edit: I can't say *****? What the ****?
#31
Yeah it's wacky that "whore" is censored. The old people at my dad's church (HOLY MEN) used to call people *****s all the time.
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#34
Quote by SuperBlob
Yeah, and shit isn't censored. It's amusing.


Yeah, I hate that fuck isn't censored, but ******** (b-u-t-t-h-o-l-e) is. Stupid rules.
#37
Well, Anarchism is more commonly associated with Punk because of the Sex Pistols. I've never heard anyone put Communism and Punk hand in hand.
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#39
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Well, Anarchism is more commonly associated with Punk because of the Sex Pistols. I've never heard anyone put Communism and Punk hand in hand.

Too bad they never started that commune they planned on with all that money they made from signing with EMI.
I'm the same as I was when I was six years old
And oh my god I feel so damn old
I don't really feel anything
#40
The Punk Rock subculture, anarchism, and communism are related subjects because they all involve the idea of revolution through means of social rebellion.

The actual definition of communism involves a lack of government where goods are spread equally among the people in a give-and-take style economy. Communism is not under a State, a State is under communism. The working class are the rulers under communism, and since everybody is equal and of the working class, everybody rules. There is a dislike for capitalism because it is believed that the rulers of capital would subdue the working class. Wikipedia's summary of this Karl Marx quote sums it up better than I can.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" (or needs) is a slogan popularised by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.[1] In German, "Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen!". In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed communist society will produce; the idea is that there will be enough to satisfy everyone's needs.


Anarchism is quite similar in that there is a lack of government where people live in a utopian society in harmony with each other. A major difference is that anarchism stresses the importance of the abolition of authority because, to anarchists, having authority means government. The prefix an- means "without", and the English descendent of the Greek word "arkhos" is "leader." Thus the definition of anarchy strictly means "without leader." Under communism, there can still be a leader of the people.

Punk rock is a style of music stemming from faster-paced rock and roll with a general lack of a blues influence. Even from its creation, there was already an aspect of rebellion, and a general youthfulness. Rock and roll bands kept getting more and more rebellious over the years (as social norms changed) and eventually stemmed off into punk rock. Which, as seen since its creation, is all about rebellion. The MC5 were a white band that played a black, Jimi Hendrix-on-speed style of music and openly sang about rebellion and revolution, while playing their music faster, and louder than everybody else at a time when people were either conservatives stuck in the 50s, or a hippy who sang about love and peace. They were militant and reeked of marijuana, much like the Black Panthers whom they hung out with.

The New York Dolls did a similar thing, but went against the norm and dressed as women and played more similarly to the Rolling Stones than Jimi Hendrix. The Ramones took blues out of the rock and roll that they were bored of, played music within their range-of-talent, and stuck to it. But punk rock did not have to have a strict sound. The Minutemen were (at first) a punk rock band from San Pedro, California that played in a minimal funk fashion while singing about histories or rebellion or unjust throughout the world or in society in general. Wire was punk rock band that were minimalist, but played intricate music without a lead, but more of a threaded-fabric of music while singing also singing about social injustice and isolation while remaining enigmatic. The Casualities are a band that exemplified certain aspects of a subculture, exploiting it and fitting it as best as seeing they could. They kept it punx as fukk.

From its beginning, punk rock was revolutionary, rebellious, romantic, and thus, ever-changing. Many of the musical groups were inspired by others, some even took songs of the previous wave of music and made it their own (Dead Kennedys' Let's Lynch the Landlord is the MC5's Sister Anne). There were inspirations, but an aspect of punk rock is the strict keeping of its (for lack of better word) 'members' within a range of reality. Punk rockers feel as if they could meet the player of the music they listen to. This is an anarchist aspect of anti-authority that has been kept within the subculture. Is this anarchy? There are no leaders of punk rock, no one telling others what to do (see Fat Mike. Black Flag always made sure they didn't tell people in the audience what to do, they didn't care what went on in the crowd. This is also why the police was always at their shows. Authority will always try to dominate anarchy, and anarchy will always fight. Authority will try to tame, and water down anarchy, but the anarchists will always be there to fight.

There is no punk rock government, and no leaders (However, there can be band leaders). There is no centralized punk rock movement, and people basically do anything they want. They can buy records to support their favorite bands, or download them on Soulseek for free because art should be free--depending on their opinion and feelings on the matter. Neither way is more punk rock than the other.

Mark Hoppus is a bass player and singer from Poway, California in the pop-punk band Blink-182. His musical tastes include, the Descendents, the Cure, Bad Religion, and the Smiths. Hoppus began making music without real aspiration until he realized he could make some money. He broke away from punk rock and made lots of money while keeping his musical roots in mind. Since punk rock is a rebellious style of musical with a bluesless rock and roll influence, Hoppus rebelled from punk rock to become rich, famous, have his own TV show, start a clothing line, and get a hot wife. Mark Hoppus did what the **** he wanted. Thus, Mark Hoppus is more punk rock than communism or anarchism.

Edit: OBviously I missed a lot of points. I didn't wanna spend THAT much time with it...
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