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French President Nicolas Sarkozy has said there are too many foreigners in France and the system for integrating them is "working more and more badly".

In a TV debate, Mr Sarkozy defended his plan to almost halve the number of new arrivals if re-elected next month.

Mr Sarkozy is trailing in the opinion polls behind the Socialist candidate Francois Hollande.

He is also competing for conservative voters with the far-right National Front party led by Marine le Pen.

The president said while immigration could be a boon for France, it needed to be controlled more tightly through tougher qualification rules for residency.

Mr Sarkozy, whose father was a Hungarian immigrant, also said he wanted to restrict some benefit payments to immigrants who had been in the country for 10 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17280647

Anyone get uncomfortable with these sort of statements? Or perhaps you agree? What about your own country, does it have too many immigrants?

I think it's quite strange that this is coming from Sarkozy who himself have a father who emigrated from Hungary to France but hey... yeah I've got nothing.
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He needs votes so he panders to the right. What he believes is irrelevant.
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I don't think it's as dramatic as people make it out to be. Clearly if a country can't handle the vast amount of immigrants it receives each year its government should do something about it.

The last statement regarding cutting benefits is definitely more controversial but a little too ambiguous to clearly judge.

Obviously the attempt at gaining more voters is clearly there but what can you do, you have to satisfy the people's demands - or at least try to, or at the very least promise to.
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France sounds like a lot of fun this time of year.
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Belgium has waaaay too many too, it's time we do something about it :/
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"Foreigners"
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I'm pretty happy the way it is here in Belgium, wouldn't really mind more tbh.

You're just trolling, ever been to Antwerp? Only people you see are old folks and immigrants (all speaking Arabic or English)

Maybe in Wallonia it's better, but even Ghent is starting to get affected. Many lols as they're afraid of them
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Belgium has waaaay too many too, it's time we do something about it :/


exactly, belgium is immigrant paradise.. not that i hate those people but they cost us so much tax money and take a lot of jobs. they should seriously limit the flow of immigrants here.


and france.. well who the **** cares about france?
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There are too many immigrants in Australia.
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Belgium has waaaay too many too, it's time we do something about it :/


Like what...?
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There are too many immigrants in Australia.


Agreed. It used to be all quiet and good. Nice amount of jobs, security in the communities, happiness for all. Then the English came.
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Like what...?


Agreed. It used to be all quiet and good. Nice amount of jobs, security in the communities, happiness for all. Then the English came.

I know no one cares bout Belgium, but the people who live there do.
As Vince1991 said, it's not even racist to say so. They all ust flood in, go back to their home country and tell bout how freat it is here with social care and taxes and whatnot benefits they get for "starting a new life" here and the natives are just getting poorer and poorer. Now the socialists are having power, we have to chip in so Belgium won't go bankrupt but the immigrants still get their monthly salary for... what? DOING NOTHING!
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#17
If their immigration system is not working, perhaps they should fix that, instead of limiting the amount of immigration

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Agreed. It used to be all quiet and good. Nice amount of jobs, security in the communities, happiness for all. Then the English came.

Actually, it was them Aboriginal's who immigrated 40,000 years ago (approx.) that ruined Australia
/sarcasm

Seriously though immigration debates are generally pretty ridiculous I find. If your country is absolutely unable to accomodate them then yes, limit the numbers of people coming. But if you can afford to allow more immigrants in, and they aren't carrrnts then sure, why not?
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You're just trolling, ever been to Antwerp? Only people you see are old folks and immigrants (all speaking Arabic or English)

Maybe in Wallonia it's better, but even Ghent is starting to get affected. Many lols as they're afraid of them


Outside of the bigger cities they're a rare sight.

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I know no one cares bout Belgium, but the people who live there do.
As Vince1991 said, it's not even racist to say so. They all ust flood in, go back to their home country and tell bout how freat it is here with social care and taxes and whatnot benefits they get for "starting a new life" here and the natives are just getting poorer and poorer. Now the socialists are having power, we have to chip in so Belgium won't go bankrupt but the immigrants still get their monthly salary for... what? DOING NOTHING!


Another big problem in Belgium is the population ageing. To combat this the government tries to raise the age you can pension. And what's the natives' response? Strike strike strike. We shouldn't be blaming immigrants for not having enough money ourselves.
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I know no one cares bout Belgium, but the people who live there do.
As Vince1991 said, it's not even racist to say so. They all ust flood in, go back to their home country and tell bout how freat it is here with social care and taxes and whatnot benefits they get for "starting a new life" here and the natives are just getting poorer and poorer. Now the socialists are having power, we have to chip in so Belgium won't go bankrupt but the immigrants still get their monthly salary for... what? DOING NOTHING!


right on.

an immigrant coming to belgium gets a place to stay, a monthly salary almost as high as the money a working man gets every month, a good amount of money for every child they have, reduced taxes and possibly some other stuff. then they and their offspring have nothing to do but harassing other people on the streets all day and starting trouble everywhere, not caring about our culture but trying to enforce their culture here in our country.

those are mostly Turkish and Moroccan immigrants (not all of them do this but still a lot)

then there are the polish who come here for jobs, they get hired because they work cheap and don't complain but it's already hard to get a job here and this is not improving the situation.

partly because of this we pay 45% of our income on taxes, + 22% taxes on everything we buy (incl. gas, water electricity...) and many additional taxes once a year.

this should change. only people from belgium know how ****ed up this mess is.
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exactly, belgium is immigrant paradise.. not that i hate those people but they cost us so much tax money and take a lot of jobs. they should seriously limit the flow of immigrants here.

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I agree those ****ing Homo Sapiens took our land and took our jobs.
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Every first world country has too many foreigners. Deal with it. We're here, we're smelly and if you **** with us your job is ours.
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Every first world country has too many foreigners. Deal with it. We're here, we're smelly and if you **** with us your job is ours.


Too many? Define too many.
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Too many? Define too many.

I meant that every first world country claims to have too much aliens to deal with. That whole post was not to be taken seriously.
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I meant that every first world country claims to have too much aliens to deal with. That whole post was not to be taken seriously.

But if your post was not to be taken seriously, than the opposite is true. So your post did mean something.

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I agree, France does have too many foreigners... but from a British perspective. Damn frogs ruining France!
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Fine. I was half-joking. Less paradox-y for ya


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Australia has was to many Asian. There shit loads of Chinese, Japanese, and never ending amounts from Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Not a fan of them at all. They're like rabbits.

Though then you've got the cool type of Asians from South Asia. You know Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshians. This type of Asians are cool, they like sports, good food and aren't all sad and angry people.
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Australia has was to many Asian. There shit loads of Chinese, Japanese, and never ending amounts from Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. Not a fan of them at all. They're like rabbits.

Though then you've got the cool type of Asians from South Asia. You know Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshians. This type of Asians are cool, they like sports, good food and aren't all sad and angry people.


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I live close to the Belgium border and close to France, to be honest I think they both do have a problem. In the Netherlands we have a lot of immigrants too but when I go to Liege the problem seems even bigger.
Have any of you seen Le Prophete? Very good film where these issues are also brought up. My french teacher at that time said it could have something to do with the education system, all people are put in the same class with no regards of intelligence or motivation. Children who show no motivation are just put up in class and no one looks after them causing even less interest in school.

Also it's easy for Morrocan people for example to move to France/Belgium because they already speak French, the transition is way easier than for example moving to the Netherlands.
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A country of colonists complaining about immigrants (such criticism can be applied to America too).

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#36
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Outside of the bigger cities they're a rare sight.

Another big problem in Belgium is the population ageing. To combat this the government tries to raise the age you can pension. And what's the natives' response? Strike strike strike. We shouldn't be blaming immigrants for not having enough money ourselves.

Man, that's so true. I even forgot about the awful strikes and then our train company that even sucks harder than the government!

I think that only just a few and even a Hollander (yeah, I like calling you Dutchies that way ) says we have a bigger immigration than they do... man, I'm SO gonna vote N-VA
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There are too many people, full stop.
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My stepfather is also Scottish - but his father was a German POQ in WW2 who was brought over to a Scottish village where he met my stepfather's mum, an Austrian immigrant.

They had 2 kids, my stepfather and his brother who went to live in Sweden for most of his life and had a family there.

So yeah...immigration is cool
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then there are the polish who come here for jobs, they get hired because they work cheap and don't complain but it's already hard to get a job here and this is not improving the situation.



Waaaah, Polish people are better workers than us waaaaaaah
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