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Do you think it is right to inform women whether there unborn babies have a disability? Do you think it would be right to amend dna to prevent disabilities?

Do disabilities define some humans, and by deliberately eliminating them is that then removing more than just the disability itself?
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Do you think it is right to inform women whether there unborn babies have a disability? Do you think it would be right to amend dna to prevent disabilities?

Do disabilities define some humans, and by deliberately eliminating them is that then removing more than just the disability itself?

Suggesting a person is nothing more than their disabilities is one of the more horridly ignorant things I think I've ever seen on UG, bar-none.

As for whether or not people have the right, or whether or not it's moral to terminate someone based on their disability/amend their genetic code, it's no more right or wrong than it is to kill someone because they believe differently from you.

My personal opinion is that humans have far too much advancement for their ability to harness or control, or even to make sound judgment with. Giving them more power in terms of life and death will likely only lead to more horrid things.
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It would be wrong not to inform them of anything about their children they couldn't otherwise know. And why would it be wrong to fix problems for everyone? I don't see why not, as long as it's safe for everyone involved..
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Think of it this way: is it not as equally unethical to deliberately not attempt to fix something that could extremely detrimental to the child's life and the parent's finances?
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#7
They should be informed as early as possible to recognise such conditions.
It is also well within their right to abort should they not want to, or not be able to care for severe illness/disability.

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Up to each individual woman, yes, and yes. I'm not going to dignify the last question with a response.
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Yes, parents should be informed. They should have access to all health information available about their unborn child.

Yes, it would be right to prevent genetic diseases. We would do it to an already-born person, and if it's safe, there's no reason we shouldn't also give children the best life that we can provide.

Yes, some people define themselves by their disability, and by taking that away, we may be taking away some peoples sense of identity. This wouldn't apply to babies, because they have not had to live a life with a disability yet.
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Ah, another abortion thread... but this time it's disguised.

Anyway, I know what you're asking and I believe that if we could change the DNA of a newly fertilised egg as to make it normal, I'd agree with the practice. The problem is that I don't think we know exactly how to do this and the "test runs" before we perfected it could end up ruining lives of children who's DNA was messed up by people trying to fix it.
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You basically just described the movie Gattaca



If you're really interested in this definitely watch that movie
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Yes, parents should be informed. They should have access to all health information available about their unborn child.

Yes, it would be right to prevent genetic diseases. We would do it to an already-born person, and if it's safe, there's no reason we shouldn't also give children the best life that we can provide.

Yes, some people define themselves by their disability, and by taking that away, we may be taking away some peoples sense of identity. This wouldn't apply to babies, because they have not had to live a life with a disability yet.


This, but with the caveat that the parents should be able to choose not to fix the disability as well.
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You basically just described the movie Gattaca



If you're really interested in this definitely watch that movie



I came to post exactly that.


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Suggesting a person is nothing more than their disabilities is one of the more horridly ignorant things I think I've ever seen on UG, bar-none.

As for whether or not people have the right, or whether or not it's moral to terminate someone based on their disability/amend their genetic code, it's no more right or wrong than it is to kill someone because they believe differently from you.

My personal opinion is that humans have far too much advancement for their ability to harness or control, or even to make sound judgment with. Giving them more power in terms of life and death will likely only lead to more horrid things.


Actually the opposite. I was trying to ask if disabilities are something that we want to eliminate from the world, or are they a fundimental part of someones character that should be kept if people are born this way?
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Parents should certainly be informed. I guess what kind of genes that would cause such disabilities being hereditary depends on the disease itself. If it was cerebral palsy or muscular dystrophy, then yes, it should be prevented, but if it was a disorder like asperger's that isn't life threatening, then no.
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Genetic diseases which are harmful in a physical sense should be avoided yes. Less serious disabilities and other congenital birth defects shouldn't be no. A person is more than their disability but cystic fibrosis isn't fun for anyone.

It's completely up to the parents though.

Also this threads been around loads & loads.

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Actually the opposite. I was trying to ask if disabilities are something that we want to eliminate from the world, or are they a fundimental part of someones character that should be kept if people are born this way?


Depends on the severity of the disability. Being mentally retarded would be classed as a disability, but i wouldn't 'eliminate' all people who are slow. It's a pretty wide topic and comes down to a lot of ifs & buts.
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inb4 that ****tard from that other thread. Due and Gibson know who I'm talking about.
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If I was pregnant they had damn better tell me. Would you not want a doctor to tell you a malignant tumor was forming in your scrotum?
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Do you think it is right to inform women whether there unborn babies have a disability? Do you think it would be right to amend dna to prevent disabilities?
Yes, and yes.

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Do disabilities define some humans, and by deliberately eliminating them is that then removing more than just the disability itself?
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This, but with the caveat that the parents should be able to choose not to fix the disability as well.


How is that ethical? That's essentially condemning a child to be disabled. I can see the argument, and kind of agree with it being better to live disabled than never to live, but I don't see how you can argue it's preferrable to live disabled than to live healthy?
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I came to post exactly that.


Also "I never saved anything for the swim back"


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Disabilities can definitely be a fundamental part of who people are. I use a wheelchair and I wouldn't be offended if I was born without the need for one, but I don't feel that I have a "problem" necessarily. It's a part of who I am, and I think it's a pretty shitty reason to abort a fetus.

I have multiple friends who were diagnosed with physical disabilities before birth. One is a business owner, and aborting fetuses sure gets rid of that ability, don't you think? If this isn't an abortion topic at the moment, my bad.

Information about a child's impairment is very handy, but parents should still realize that a disability isn't necessarily a hindrance. I mean, I'm an engineering student, I work part time, and I consider myself social. I wouldn't say it reduces my quality of life in any way whatsoever.
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Actually the opposite. I was trying to ask if disabilities are something that we want to eliminate from the world, or are they a fundimental part of someones character that should be kept if people are born this way?

Oh I got it now. Sorry - misunderstood you 1,000%.
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I like how you say "women" in the thread title, not just people. Having a disabled child is going to effect both parents. In this case it's not just a matter of birthing the child, but more about what happens afterwards.

Anyways. that's just complaint # 1, I'm not even going to address the rest.
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hate to sound like a dick but I would like to know if my unborn child had a disability and if my partner was comfortable with it, i would want to abort it. I wouldn't want to have the difficulty of raising such a child, also i would feel somewhat uncomfortable bringing a child into the world knowing how greatly it would suffer.
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How is that ethical? That's essentially condemning a child to be disabled. I can see the argument, and kind of agree with it being better to live disabled than never to live, but I don't see how you can argue it's preferrable to live disabled than to live healthy?


I would certainly never not treat an unborn child if I could, but fetus rights are tetchy, and if I believe in someone's right to choose an abortion, I think I have to believe in their right not to enact genetic treatment on an unborn fetus. Otherwise I would feel hypocritical, no matter my personal views on either topic.
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As a deaf person, I can't stand putting another deaf kid of mine through the same shitty life experiences that I've had. I'm all for eliminating disabilities, as horrible as that sounds.

I realise I'm signing my own death warrant here, but I'm ok with it.
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