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I just purchased Rocksmith and it requires an electric guitar in order to play the game. Ultimately I'd like to learn how to play on an acoustic/Spanish guitar like in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFBuWtcfDiM - though obviously never as good as Igor) so I'm seeking suggestions on electric guitars which would best facilitate a transition into a Spanish/acoustic guitar in the future.

Also, any ideas on what kind of guitar Rodrigo is playing in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-qgum7hFXk
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Rocksmith will not help you learn how to play guitar. It will only help you learn how to play a game using a guitar as the controller.

If you want to learn Spanish style guitar, get a Spanish guitar and a teacher who specialises in that style.
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Do you know of any electric guitars that could also function as an acoustic/spanish when not plugged into an amp
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That link didn't work for me, but it seems to me you may be asking for one of two things:
1 - an electric guitar that is loud enough to be played without an amp
2 - an acoustic guitar that can also be plugged into an amp.

If the answer is 1, you are looking for what is called a "semi-acoustic". This is basically a hollow bodied electric guitar.

If it's 2, then you are looking for an "electrocoustic". This is primarily an acoustic guitar, but has a built in pre-amp & can be plugged in to a PA system when playing gigs etc.

Spanish (or classical) guitars are something different again. They have nylon strings, as opposed to the metal strings found on electric (and semi-electric) guitars and the majority of acoustic (and electrocoustic) guitars. It is a Spanish guitar in the video you linked to. These are available as electrocoustics, but it is extremely uncommon to find a nylon stringed electric guitar.

What exactly is it you are looking for?

As this is essentially a 'what guitar should I buy' thread, you should also tell us your budget and location.
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You don't need a classical guitar to play in the style of Spanish guitar.
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You don't need a classical guitar to play in the style of Spanish guitar.

Nobody said you did.

However, if that's the style he wants to learn, there's no reason to buy something different.
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Rocksmith will not help you learn how to play guitar. It will only help you learn how to play a game using a guitar as the controller.

If you want to learn Spanish style guitar, get a Spanish guitar and a teacher who specialises in that style.


Ummm, it teaches fretting, scales, several techniques and teaches you how to play dozens of songs.

All on a real guitar.

How exactly is that not learning how to play the guitar?
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I'm looking for an acoustic guitar which can also be plugged into an amp (reason is so that I can play Rocksmith [which obv requires being plugged into the game] but also use the guitar on my own without an amp). Budget is $400-700 and I live in los angeles.
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You're not looking for a steel string guitar. What you want is a classical guitar. And an acoustic-electric classical at that.

I would look into either of these, depending on how much you want to spend

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-CGX171CCA-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar-511074-i1599035.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-NCX700-Acoustic-Electric-Classical-Guitar-H72613-i1844402.gc

I have had very good experiences with Yamaha's classical guitars - they just sound a lot better to my ears than other brands. I own a CG101A myself (classically trained guitarist here).
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Ummm, it teaches fretting, scales, several techniques and teaches you how to play dozens of songs.

All on a real guitar.

How exactly is that not learning how to play the guitar?

Learning to copy what you see on the screen is not learning how to play.

If all you want to do is play a few songs along to the game, then fine, but other than that you need to learn the actual theory behind everything, and playing a game will not teach you that. It may show you the shape of a scale, but it won't teach you the theory behind that scale or how to apply it properly to anything outside the game.

Does playing something like Gran Turismo teach you how to drive a car? No. It doesn't even teach someone who can drive how to get a good lap around a track in real life - it may give you a basic idea of the basic track layout, but it will provide none of the actual experience you'd need if you were to actually take a car to that track. Trying to learn guitar playing Rocksmith is the same thing.

Fretting, yes - it will get someone used to hitting individual notes and help build up finger strength, but that's it.
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What you want then is an Electric/Acoustic. It's just an acoustic guitar with a built in pickup and preamp. An electric and an acoustic are two completely different animals. The acoustic is much harder to fret and will give your tender fingertips a beating. I recommend an Ovation Acoustic-Electric as I find my Ovation is closer to an electric in term of the fretboard of any of my acoustics.

However, no acoustic even the Ovation is going to be as easy to fret as an electric. Also, when you get your Acoustic you will probably need to get it setup. I've bought two Ovations and both needed to have a shim removed from the bridge to bring the strings lower to the fretboard.

Given your level of knowledge it would be nice to have a teacher to guide you through the process. Here's your first lesson....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AMB4L9PUFI
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You're not looking for a steel string guitar. What you want is a classical guitar. And an acoustic-electric classical at that.

I would look into either of these, depending on how much you want to spend

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-CGX171CCA-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar-511074-i1599035.gc

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Yamaha-NCX700-Acoustic-Electric-Classical-Guitar-H72613-i1844402.gc

I have had very good experiences with Yamaha's classical guitars - they just sound a lot better to my ears than other brands. I own a CG101A myself (classically trained guitarist here).

Never tried their classicals, but I've played a few of their steel string acoustics over the years and Yamaha are always a good suggestion for beginners.
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Learning to copy what you see on the screen is not learning how to play.

If all you want to do is play a few songs along to the game, then fine, but other than that you need to learn the actual theory behind everything, and playing a game will not teach you that. It may show you the shape of a scale, but it won't teach you the theory behind that scale or how to apply it properly to anything outside the game.

Does playing something like Gran Turismo teach you how to drive a car? No. It doesn't even teach someone who can drive how to get a good lap around a track in real life - it may give you a basic idea of the basic track layout, but it will provide none of the actual experience you'd need if you were to actually take a car to that track. Trying to learn guitar playing Rocksmith is the same thing.

Fretting, yes - it will get someone used to hitting individual notes and help build up finger strength, but that's it.


A: You don't need theory to play guitar. I'm a big proponent of it, and think everyone SHOULD learn it, but it's not necessary.

B: Gran Turismo doesn't use an actual car...

Have you ever actually tried/seen Rocksmith? Because from your response it doesn't appear so.

What you appear to be saying is that if a person knows how to pick, fret, chord, slide, bend, use harmonics and can play 40 or 50 songs using these techniques that they can't 'really' play guitar because they used a computer as a teaching tool rather than a person?

That's....silly...
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A: You don't need theory to play guitar. I'm a big proponent of it, and think everyone SHOULD learn it, but it's not necessary.

B: Gran Turismo doesn't use an actual car...

Have you ever actually tried/seen Rocksmith? Because from your response it doesn't appear so.

What you appear to be saying is that if a person knows how to pick, fret, chord, slide, bend, use harmonics and can play 40 or 50 songs using these techniques that they can't 'really' play guitar because they used a computer as a teaching tool rather than a person?

That's....silly...

I've had a go on it and was unimpressed.

A: I know three people who thought they'd learnt to play guitar using Rocksmith, but when they tried doing anything that wasn't on the game they didn't have a clue what they were doing and had to get me to show them the absolute basics because they couldn't even play chords properly. Two of them gave up when they realised the game hadn't taught them how to play (although they did keep playing the game). The one who actually carried on learning guitar never played the game again.

If you've had different experiences, then that's fine. For me, it's not learning how to play guitar, it's just learning how to play a game.


B: Gran Turismo and other driving games may not use an actual car, but they do use a steering wheel, pedals and semi-automatic gearbox similar to that found in cars, so while people can learn what individual controls do, they haven't actually learnt to drive.
I'm not talking from personal experience here, but I know a couple of people who are amateur racers and they regularly come across people who think getting into racing is going to be easy because they're good on their games console and 'know' all the circuits they will be racing on. In every single case, these people have been absolutely terrible and have had to start from scratch relearning all that they thought they knew. Most gave up when they realised how different it was in real life.

Comparing what I know of Rocksmith & driving games, they provide very similar levels of knowledge.


Like I said though, if you've had different experiences with it, then that's a good thing. Even if people start with Rocksmith and it inspires them to learn properly then that's a good thing, but I don't believe it should be recommended as a good teaching method for someone just starting out.
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B: Gran Turismo and other driving games may not use an actual car, but they do use a steering wheel, pedals and semi-automatic gearbox similar to that found in cars, so while people can learn what individual controls do, they haven't actually learnt to drive.
I'm not talking from personal experience here, but I know a couple of people who are amateur racers and they regularly come across people who think getting into racing is going to be easy because they're good on their games console and 'know' all the circuits they will be racing on. In every single case, these people have been absolutely terrible and have had to start from scratch relearning all that they thought they knew. Most gave up when they realised how different it was in real life.

Yeah, but F1-drivers use games to get to know the racetrack and to learn the best route to approach a corner. So while it might not make you an expert, it can certainly be helpful.
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I got http://www.guitarcenter.com/Seagull...urce=4WWRWXGB&= and I'm really happy with it so far. The sound is amazing compared to other $300-500 guitars. It sounds like an $800 guitar.


It wont help him, it's a different guitar with a whole different character.

You want to play spanish guitar? Get an acoustic-electric spanish guitar (nylon strings) and the J. S. Sagreras guitar method.

OP you won't learn to play guitar playing videogames. Playing spanish guitar requires some special and delicate finger picking technique, so it's better if you get a teacher and be patient because it's gonna take some time and you won't regret it.

How do I know? I play classical guitar and I made the transition from electric guitar, is a whole and great different world.

DO IT!

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It wont help him, it's a different guitar with a whole different character.

You want to play spanish guitar? Get an acoustic-electric spanish guitar (nylon strings) and the J. S. Sagreras guitar method.

OP you won't learn to play guitar playing videogames. Playing spanish guitar requires some special and delicate finger picking technique, so it's better if you get a teacher and be patient because it's gonna take some time and you won't regret it.

How do I know? I play classical guitar and I made the transition from electric guitar, is a whole and great different world.

DO IT!


Pfahg! That attitude is so common, and so tiring.

How about you explain to Jet Pilots, or Space Shuttle jockeys, how you can't learn by "playing video games".

Unless of course it's your contention that playing guitar is so unique, special and difficult that it's different...

I think not.
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Pfahg! That attitude is so common, and so tiring.

How about you explain to Jet Pilots, or Space Shuttle jockeys, how you can't learn by "playing video games".

Unless of course it's your contention that playing guitar is so unique, special and difficult that it's different...

I think not.



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Pfahg! That attitude is so common, and so tiring.

How about you explain to Jet Pilots, or Space Shuttle jockeys, how you can't learn by "playing video games".

Unless of course it's your contention that playing guitar is so unique, special and difficult that it's different...

I think not.


Those are different disciplines dude, you can't compare apples to potatoes... And yeah, guitar playing is different, it's an art and it involves expression, something you will never caught on a videogame...

It would be better if you give an advice to the OP instead of being a douche.

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Those are different disciplines dude, you can't compare apples to potatoes... And yeah, guitar playing is different, it's an art and it involves expression, something you will never caught on a videogame...

It would be better if you give an advice to the OP instead of being a douche.


You are offering up gratuitous insults, and I'm the douche?

Hmmm.....

Feel free to keep pretending that YOUR way is the ONLY way of learning something, won't change my lifestyle at all. I've been dealing with people who like to pretend that they are special and unique and that their particular skill can't possibly be taught any more efficiently than by the way they learned it for a great portion of my career. I have yet to find it be true.

Art, schmart.....everything is art if you do it right.

Have a nice day.
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I got http://www.guitarcenter.com/Seagull-Entourage-Rustic-CW-QIT-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar-105483366-i1475314.gc?&source=4WWRWXGB&= and I'm really happy with it so far. The sound is amazing compared to other $300-500 guitars. It sounds like an $800 guitar.
Congrats. Seagull makes a nice guitar. Now did you check out that youtube lesson I linked to? You can be playing your first Spanish style song, and it's a fun lesson with strumming and fingerpicking.
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You are offering up gratuitous insults, and I'm the douche?

Hmmm.....

Feel free to keep pretending that YOUR way is the ONLY way of learning something, won't change my lifestyle at all. I've been dealing with people who like to pretend that they are special and unique and that their particular skill can't possibly be taught any more efficiently than by the way they learned it for a great portion of my career. I have yet to find it be true.

Art, schmart.....everything is art if you do it right.

Have a nice day.


I never said is the only way but I do definitely think videogames won't help, and I do not believe I'm special or unique, playing classical guitar is. And if you believe that I'm being pretentious on giving my opinions it's ok.

If you feel insulted from what I wrote I'm sorry to hurt your feelings .

I do believe you exaggerated on your way on taking my words on my first post but nobody is gonna die.

You too have a nice day pal.

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Haha, that's retarded. You compare Rocksmith to Gran Turismo 3?



Rocksmith helps learn songs and muscle memory. Don't forget to improv and read tabs, play with other musicians, etc.
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Haha, that's retarded. You compare Rocksmith to Gran Turismo 3?



Rocksmith helps learn songs and muscle memory. Don't forget to improv and read tabs, play with other musicians, etc.

I only compared it to the philosophy of learning to drive using a games console. Games like GT only help you learn a basic layout of the tracks, nothing else.

I agreed that Rocksmith may help a beginner learn how to hit notes cleanly and play along with a backing track, but by saying you have to include improv, reading tabs and playing with other musicians you're agreeing with me that you can't learn guitar properly by playing a game.

And I only used the series as a whole as an example. Gran Turismo 3? Welcome to 2001!!
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And I only used the series as a whole as an example. Gran Turismo 3? Welcome to 2001!!

It's still the best driving game. Ever.

But we also agree that, if you gave someone a car as a controller, they would get damned good at using a clutch, right?
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It's still the best driving game. Ever.

But we also agree that, if you gave someone a car as a controller, they would get damned good at using a clutch, right?

I only played the series through to GT4, I never bothered buying a PS3 (yet - possibly a used one when the prices drop after the next generation arrives), but the GT series was the only reason I had a PS2. - I'm not really that much of a gamer. GT was awesome though.

If you're talking about having a car as the controller, now you're getting into the realms of the F1 team simulators, not just the games you can buy on the street.

That's taking things way too far though - I'm only really talking about the philosophy of learning:
If you want to learn to drive, you have driving lessons, you don't play games.
If you want to learn guitar, you have guitar lessons, you don't play games.

I agreed in my original post (could have been the second one, haven't looked back to check) that the game could help build finger strength and fretting accuracy, but there's a lot more to actually learning guitar than that. Especially (getting back on topic...) when the person who asked the original question wants to learn Spanish style guitar.
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I never had one single lesson and, well, I'm alright I guess.

Now that I'm older and wiser, I really want some though. If anything, it's a 3rd party that doesn't give a flying shit about your feelings.
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I'm mostly self-taught as well - I had one initial lesson back in the '80s when I first started, and learnt through trial and error over several years (I never practiced as much as I should have). Then after not playing for a year or two because I'd stopped progressing, I had a couple more lessons in about 2004ish which pushed me past the stumbling blocks I'd reached and helped me improve more in a short period of time than I had over my first 20 years of playing!

Even for self-taught guitarists, occasional lessons from a good teacher are extremely valuable.
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I just like music... like yeah, it's the only addiction that hasn't ****ed me backwards yet.
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