#1
Hey guys Im lookin for upgrade to a new amp. It'll be used mostly for practice since Im still a beginner mostly. Right now I got a peavy vypyr 30 and im looking for something with less focus on features and more focus on a nice hard rock tone out of the box. Cant stress enough that its gotta be low volume though as my neighbors already hate us.

Budget: about $400-600 depending on how much I can get away with

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amp will be used with a regular epiphone les paul std.
#2
i would say one of the roland cubes but it's kinda in the same category as the vyper, whether or not its better is another story, i like them more but you could look into those. i think orange and blackstar make low wattage amps that will work out well
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Jet City JCA20 or JCA22.
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i would say one of the roland cubes but it's kinda in the same category as the vyper, whether or not its better is another story, i like them more but you could look into those. i think orange and blackstar make low wattage amps that will work out well

I would go with the blackstar HT-1. They have a very wonderful tone and are perfect for low volume practice.
#5
if you want tube - and by the sounds of things you do, keep it below 20 or maybe even 15 watts; Even a Blackstar ht-5 (5 watt tube powered) that i played through in a store was loud for such a small combo. Look at Orange tiny terror, blackstar ht-5, marshall ma-5, laney cub, and i'm sure jet city do some sub 20 watt tube amps
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I would go with the blackstar HT-1. They have a very wonderful tone and are perfect for low volume practice.


For me, Blackstar have nailed down the small/low wattage tube amp tone, much better than orange and marshall. If the ht-1 is the ht-5's little brother, as it were, then is also a great suggestion.
#7
One with a master volume. Just bought a Laney Cub head and cab, super awesome vintage rock tones but it won't do metal without pedals. Can hit apartment volumes easy, I live in one.
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One with a master volume. Just bought a Laney Cub head and cab, super awesome vintage rock tones but it won't do metal without pedals. Can hit apartment volumes easy, I live in one.


+1

Marshall JVM half-stack, but you still might want a volume pedal or an MFX with adjustable level output to tame it a bit more.

Mine jumps from 0 to over 85db with nothing in between, with the master volume under 1, but you can still get the same tone if you dial down the output on the MFX unit between the guitar and the amp.

Or use the direct out and play through a PA or whatever instead of the cab (just don't take the head off standby if no cab is plugged in). The line level isn't affected by the master volume, and it'll sound the same at any speaker volume that way. Or you can tap headphones off whatever you have it plugged into.
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For me, Blackstar have nailed down the small/low wattage tube amp tone, much better than orange and marshall. If the ht-1 is the ht-5's little brother, as it were, then is also a great suggestion.

Are you trying to tell me that you think a HT-5 sounds better than a Class 5? Seriously?


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+1

Marshall JVM half-stack, but you still might want a volume pedal or an MFX with adjustable level output to tame it a bit more.

Mine jumps from 0 to over 85db with nothing in between, with the master volume under 1, but you can still get the same tone if you dial down the output on the MFX unit between the guitar and the amp.

Or use the direct out and play through a PA or whatever instead of the cab (just don't take the head off standby if no cab is plugged in). The line level isn't affected by the master volume, and it'll sound the same at any speaker volume that way. Or you can tap headphones off whatever you have it plugged into.


Good luck getting a JVM for $500.
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One with a master volume. Just bought a Laney Cub head and cab, super awesome vintage rock tones but it won't do metal without pedals. Can hit apartment volumes easy, I live in one.


+1

I have a Cub10 combo just as a little travelling/practice amp... you would need to throw something in front of it for metal but it can produce some pretty sweet tones. Sounds great at low volumes and has plenty of push, as it is after all a 10w tube amp.
It is dramatically better than the Blackstar equivalent.
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The Cub is a fine choice. I'll add my +1 to that too. Chuck your favourite overdrive in front of it.
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#14
JCA22H or JCA20H with an OD. Don't know why everybody is such a whiny bitch about output power. I use multiple 100w amps in my apartment all day long.
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JCA22H or JCA20H with an OD. Don't know why everybody is such a whiny bitch about output power. I use multiple 100w amps in my apartment all day long.


Ppl dont realise that 5w amps also are to loud for apartment when cranked

low wattage does not equal better at low volumes, all amps ive liked the most at low volumes have been 50-100w amps
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Don't know why everybody is such a whiny bitch about output power. I use multiple 100w amps in my apartment all day long.


Thats true but a lot of the time its more to do with price - why pay for a 100watt amp when your only need a 10watt.
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because usually the 100W amp sounds better than the 10W amp. Even at bedroom volume.... or especially at bedroom volume.
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Unless you plan on recording, and truly just want to practice , this will fit the bil perfectly... plug your MP3 player, or your computer for back tracks or the song you want to learn and play along with...

I don't live in an apartment, but my wife loves this thing.... wasn't room for my stack in the living room anyway...

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because usually the 100W amp sounds better than the 10W amp. Even at bedroom volume.... or especially at bedroom volume.
This. Everyone here on UG is obsessed with low wattage amps but personally I find them all to be over-compressed and boxy sounding. None compare to the wide, open sound of something 50-100w. High volumes or not.


TS: If your neighbors already hate your guts then I would advise against getting an amp at all. You're practically crashing a gasoline truck into a burning building.

There are more things to consider as well: how thick are the walls? How much can you hear normally from your neighbors? Do they live above, below, or beside you?

My suggestion would be to grab a Pod HD and a set of Audio Technica ATH-M50's headphones. If you hate headphones grab yourself a set of M-Audio AV-40 monitors (these are great for jamming and listening to music, but they suck for mixing/recording; if you are serious about recording I'd suggest something better)
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Good luck getting a JVM for $500.


Got my 410h used for $1,000 and it was mint. Should be able to get the lower models used for $600 if you look hard enough.

I just stumbled on mine; wasn't even in the market, but couldn't pass that up. Also got it w/a beat-up 1960a for $369.
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This. Everyone here on UG is obsessed with low wattage amps but personally I find them all to be over-compressed and boxy sounding. None compare to the wide, open sound of something 50-100w. High volumes or not.


TS: If your neighbors already hate your guts then I would advise against getting an amp at all. You're practically crashing a gasoline truck into a burning building.

There are more things to consider as well: how thick are the walls? How much can you hear normally from your neighbors? Do they live above, below, or beside you?

My suggestion would be to grab a Pod HD and a set of Audio Technica ATH-M50's headphones. If you hate headphones grab yourself a set of M-Audio AV-40 monitors (these are great for jamming and listening to music, but they suck for mixing/recording; if you are serious about recording I'd suggest something better)


Hey, i was actually thinking about the pod too but some reviews ive read people think they sound fake or digital. I dont have experience with any of these amp modelers, how good do they sound? And I dont mind head phones, but is there a way to hook it up to computer speakers or something else? id prefer that as headphones hurt me ears after a while.

also, i heard tube amps dont sound very good at low volume, is that true? Will the CUB amp or POD sound better at like, tv sounding volumes. I really cant get louder than that as my parents or the hot chick upstairs gets upset.
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#23
yeah, you can use comp speakers.

but get real good headphones and you wont notice you have them on..
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#24
When neighbors don't like me, I turn it up louder...

Usually they try to compete by being loud when I am not. Then I remind them that I CAN BE LOUDER YAY I WIN!
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Hey, i was actually thinking about the pod too but some reviews ive read people think they sound fake or digital. I dont have experience with any of these amp modelers, how good do they sound? And I dont mind head phones, but is there a way to hook it up to computer speakers or something else? id prefer that as headphones hurt me ears after a while.

also, i heard tube amps dont sound very good at low volume, is that true? Will the CUB amp or POD sound better at like, tv sounding volumes. I really cant get louder than that as my parents or the hot chick upstairs gets upset.


POD HDs are better than the older PODs.

As far as tube amps at low volume goes, it depends on whether it has a master volume. Purists don't like master volume at all, but if you're not stuck on that, then you can max the channel volume and gain but get it pretty quiet with the master volume. It might still be loud, but there are tricks to get it quieter like a volume pedal, or playing through an MFX with the output turned down. Or if it has a direct line out, then leave it on standby and plug the line out into a PA/monitor/board and you can get it as quiet as you want without losing any tone.