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I've been thinking, what if african animals such as zebras, wildebeests, cape buffalo, gazelle, rhinos, lions ect. were released into another land like the American Prarie? Or put hippos or komodo dragons in the everglades or louisianna? I think it'd be pretty badass, what does everyone else think?
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#2
They don't live in those places for a reason. You have to think about the climate and the changes the animals go through to survive.
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They don't live in those places for a reason. You have to think about the climate and the changes the animals go through to survive.

That is true, but they seem like they could survive. There is also this zoo by my house, it is nothing fancy but animals look fine in there. Theres even a couple chimps, giraffes and ostriches
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#5
Well, what would happen would be that they'd die.
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Well, what would happen would be that they'd die.

I don't know, I would be amused watching lions feast on Calgarians.
#8
What if we bred a kangaroo with a rhino!?

The offspring could live in either Aus or Africa!

Yeah..
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What if we bred a kangaroo with a rhino!?

The offspring could live in either Aus or Africa!

Yeah..

Genious, i've always wanted to be killed by a fast, high jumping rihno
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Genious, i've always wanted to be killed by a fast, high jumping rihno


You're welcome. I'll get the kangaroo sperm.
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#12
They would probably survive, and probably too well. The problem is that they have no natural enemies, if you import non-native species, you're screwing over the natural balance.
Australia has a huge problem with both bullfrogs and rabbits because of this, they breed in hoards, and there is no depredetation, so everything that eats what thsoe species eats is probably screwed.

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There'd be hyrbids everywhere. EVOLUTION.


Breeding between species is extremely rare (and will if it is even possible produce infertile offspring), and has really nothing to with evolution. Breeding between classes is as far as we know impossible.
We should start calling it "The Fact of Evolution", theory, even though correct, does not work with the ignorant..
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#13
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You're welcome. I'll get the kangaroo sperm.

I got some eggs, they could be from a rhino. Whatever is conceived, is concieved
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I've been thinking, what if african animals such as zebras, wildebeests, cape buffalo, gazelle, rhinos, lions ect. were released into another land like the American Prarie? Or put hippos or komodo dragons in the everglades or louisianna? I think it'd be pretty badass, what does everyone else think?


They'd probably affect other species that already live there, harming the whole ecosystem. The whole hybrid things sounds badass but highly unlikely.
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I got some eggs, they could be from a rhino. Whatever is conceived, is concieved



If there was a Nobel Prize for biology, we'd storm it.

Maybe they'll name a prize after us. My idea => my name first.
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If there was a Nobel Prize for biology, we'd storm it.

Maybe they'll name a prize after us. My idea => my name first.

I'm TS, my name is first. This prize would not have happend if it wasn't for me.
And how would a couple of wildebeests affect surrounding bison, prarie dogs, coyotes, and some birds, ect.?
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What if we bred a kangaroo with a rhino!?

I'm assuming something like this:

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I'm assuming something like this:


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#23
Would completely **** up the food chain and most likely permanently affect the orderly function of the ecosystem.

Yeah, would be cool. Not so cool when the common animals we have here are annihilated by lions and rhinos and hippos.
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Would completely **** up the food chain and most likely permanently affect the orderly function of the ecosystem.

Yeah, would be cool. Not so cool when the common animals we have here are annihilated by lions and rhinos and hippos.

I doubt they'd be annihilated by zebras and gazelle
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#25
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I doubt they'd be annihilated by zebras and gazelle


Don't they have hunting safaris like that down south? Like basically hundreds of acres lines with an impenetrable border and hunters going buckwild, saving them the cost of actually going to africa?
#26
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And how would a couple of wildebeests affect surrounding bison, prarie dogs, coyotes, and some birds, ect.?


First it should be said that we can't know exactly what will happen, I suspect the Australians that brought in rabbits and bullfrogs could not forsee them being a problem at all. We here in Sweden have problems with minks and wild boar. The boars were here 200-300 years ago, they were hunted to extinction and brought in some 100 years ago, problem is, now the eco system had learned to live without them, so now they can strut around like they own the place.
Minks are let out by animal rights terrorists and they are wreaking havok on our native birds.

I could guess though that since they are big and strong, none of your native predators can take them down. It requires a pack hunter, of sufficient size, and sufficient strenght to take one down. Mountain lions are big and strong, but are solitary, wolves are pack hunters, but lack the physique. Therefore they could probably breed without any attrition pressing down the population. Bison and prarie dogs eat grass, the same as gnus, they however suffer depredation by your native predators.
It is no too far fetched to assume the gnus will steal their food, put simply. Therefore they starve, and of course predators above them will suffer, as there is less of their prey, and so forth.

It will not end well, is my guess.
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#27
Idk. I saw something on tv of a bunch of redecks going on a rampage hunting for squirrels and gators. They would probably enjoy an extra zebra coat
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#28
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This would be pretty cool but suuuuuuuuuuuuuch a bad idea



It's happened numerous times in the Americas.

The foreign species either
A) Dies out because it is not fit for that environment or
B) Has no natural predator, superfit for the environment, and kills off everything else.


EDIT: For example the asian longhorned beetle (according to dumb adds i see everywhere) somehow found its way into Boston, and has been reaking havoc, destroying trees and other insects. Not that 'cool' I guess but thats all I can think off of the top of my head
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#30
First it should be said that we can't know exactly what will happen, I suspect the Australians that brought in rabbits and bullfrogs could not forsee them being a problem at all. We here in Sweden have problems with minks and wild boar. The boars were here 200-300 years ago, they were hunted to extinction and brought in some 100 years ago, problem is, now the eco system had learned to live without them, so now they can strut around like they own the place.
Minks are let out by animal rights terrorists and they are wreaking havok on our native birds.

I could guess though that since they are big and strong, none of your native predators can take them down. It requires a pack hunter, of sufficient size, and sufficient strenght to take one down. Mountain lions are big and strong, but are solitary, wolves are pack hunters, but lack the physique. Therefore they could probably breed without any attrition pressing down the population. Bison and prarie dogs eat grass, the same as gnus, they however suffer depredation by your native predators.
It is no too far fetched to assume the gnus will steal their food, put simply. Therefore they starve, and of course predators above them will suffer, as there is less of their prey, and so forth.

It will not end well, is my guess.


It's happened numerous times in the Americas.

The foreign species either
A) Dies out because it is not fit for that environment or
B) Has no natural predator, superfit for the environment, and kills off everything else.


For example the asian longhorned beetle (according to dumb adds i see everywhere) somehow found its way into Boston, and has been reaking havoc, destroying trees and other insects. Not that 'cool' I guess but thats all I can think off of the top of my head


Very good points, but lets use a wildebeest as an example. They are herbivores, and although have a threatening appearence. Are not aggressive, and do not attack unless they feel greatly threatend. A savannah is similar to the plains, but with a bit less heat. However there are many grasses and shrubs to feed off of. And since most of the animals on praries are prarie dogs which burrow into the ground, and bison which resemble wildebeests, they would probably fit in just fine.
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Quote by Blargaha
First it should be said that we can't know exactly what will happen, I suspect the Australians that brought in rabbits and bullfrogs could not forsee them being a problem at all. We here in Sweden have problems with minks and wild boar. The boars were here 200-300 years ago, they were hunted to extinction and brought in some 100 years ago, problem is, now the eco system had learned to live without them, so now they can strut around like they own the place.
Minks are let out by animal rights terrorists and they are wreaking havok on our native birds.

I could guess though that since they are big and strong, none of your native predators can take them down. It requires a pack hunter, of sufficient size, and sufficient strenght to take one down. Mountain lions are big and strong, but are solitary, wolves are pack hunters, but lack the physique. Therefore they could probably breed without any attrition pressing down the population. Bison and prarie dogs eat grass, the same as gnus, they however suffer depredation by your native predators.
It is no too far fetched to assume the gnus will steal their food, put simply. Therefore they starve, and of course predators above them will suffer, as there is less of their prey, and so forth.

It will not end well, is my guess.



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It would be an incredibly bad idea.
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EDIT: For example the asian longhorned beetle (according to dumb adds i see everywhere) somehow found its way into Boston, and has been reaking havoc, destroying trees and other insects. Not that 'cool' I guess but thats all I can think off of the top of my head


We have the issue of raccoons in Germany, brought in by the nazis because Hitler "wanted the third reich to have raccoons". They are a complete disaster, eating everything, destroying property, and since they have no natural enemies, breeding all over the place.

We also have raccoon dogs, an asian species that is highly invasive (we are starting to get problems with them along our eastern border, there is a standing order for hunters to shoot any encountered), they eat everything in their way and spread parasites.
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#33
It would entirely destroy the ecosystem of the location in which they were introduced, or the species would become extinct rapidly in that new environment. Unless there is a niche species cannot survive.
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Idk. I saw something on tv of a bunch of redecks going on a rampage hunting for squirrels and gators. They would probably enjoy an extra zebra coat



Animal prints in general (such as zebra, leopard, cheetah, etc.) aren't too big in the redneck community.

To the other guy's raccoon problem, I could send a few rednecks your way to kill off a few and teach you how to trap them. It's really not that hard, and if they bother you that much, forget the traps and pull out the .22.
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#35
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Very good points, but lets use a wildebeest as an example. They are herbivores, and although have a threatening appearence. Are not aggressive, and do not attack unless they feel greatly threatend. A savannah is similar to the plains, but with a bit less heat. However there are many grasses and shrubs to feed off of. And since most of the animals on praries are prarie dogs which burrow into the ground, and bison which resemble wildebeests, they would probably fit in just fine.



But with no natural predator would pose as competition to bison. If the wildeebeests were able to thrive, they could grow in numbers and I guess pose a threat to bison because they are living off the same food supply. Not that I could imagine a short supply of grass. But it's within reason, over an extended period of time or during a drought.


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But is it really worth going down to Germany to run over some raccoons?

I looked it up, and all of the raccoon population of Germany is not a problem, there are some small populations that are not very much of a hassle, there is a denser one though that are starting to get bothersome.
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About 150 Japanese Snow Monkeys were introduced to live in Texas, and the population is up to like 500 or 600 IIRC. They just chill some dedicated reserve that set aside for them.
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But with no natural predator would pose as competition to bison. If the wildeebeests were able to thrive, they could grow in numbers and I guess pose a threat to bison because they are living off the same food supply. Not that I could imagine a short supply of grass. But it's within reason, over an extended period of time or during a drought.

Did some research, bison are only restricted to living on nature reserves and such. The wildebeest would be on its own other than the usuall rabbits, mice and prarie doggs
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#39
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But is it really worth going down to Germany to run over some raccoons?

I looked it up, and all of the raccoon population of Germany is not a problem, there are some small populations that are not very much of a hassle, there is a denser one though that are starting to get bothersome.



Oh I thought you lived in Germany at the time, didn't see your location

Raccoons can be pesty; in urban areas they often go through trash and attack cats, and sometimes small dogs, and if they bite or scratch you you're probably gonna have to go to the doctor and get a shitload of shots and such to make sure you don't get an infection or raebies (sp?)

EDIT: But you can't gurantee that the Wildebeests won't enter these preservations. Assuming that there is little to no human interaction (unlikely) other then the introduction of the species to the environment they could have the capabilities to enter Bison territory, and you can't really be sure of how the species will react to each other.

Basically it's a lot of speculation and assumption, but normally in practice when species are introduced to foreign habitats they have bad consequences.
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