#1
Hey guys, I've decided to try to sell my Eminence Governor speaker and try out a Swamp Thang or Texas Heat.

I emailed Eminence and they recommended the Texas Heat over the Swamp because it still has a little mid-top bite. But I wanted to hear your opinions as well.

Basically, I was planning to combine my Governor with something like a Swamp Thang in a 2X12 cabinet, but I won't be able to afford one of those for quite some time. I'd rather just have more of my 'ideal' sound in a 1X12 for now. Which is to say, more low-end, or low-mids. The Governor has a nice, ripping, upper midrange, but on low chugs/galloping riffs it just doesn't have the br00ts I need.

I should also say that I don't tune that low; D-standard, Drop-C. That means I could probably get away with a low-end voiced speaker and still maintain clarity. Thanks for your input!
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#2
i have 2 texas heats and 2 swamp things in my cab. i love the swamp things but idk how they would sound all alone, their verry low end where as the texas heat has the more high end to compliemnt it. so for just 1 speaker id say texas heat
#3
I think the Texas heats are a little better, though not sure how they're built to handle the low-end
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#4
I will soon have both a Texas Heat and a Swamp Thang (when the seller ever winds up freaking shipping the speakers). If you can stick it out a week or two, I can give you some first hand opinions.

Note: I don't own a 6505/5150, nor do I have immediate access to one. So I can just give you generalized speaker characteristics.
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http://www.guitarnoize.com/gear-demo-eminence-texas-heat-and-swamp-thang-speakers/

maybe those clips will help

i've only tried the texas heat. I wouldn't want any darker in a 1x12, that's for sure. that being said, in that clip i linked to, the swamp thang sounds brighter, i think.

no idea what's going on. eminence said the same thing to me regarding the TH versus swamp thang (though i wanted it for entirely different purposes).

i guess the only thing i'd really say is i'd need a very good reason to go against their advice. they (presumably) know their own speakers.
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I will soon have both a Texas Heat and a Swamp Thang (when the seller ever winds up freaking shipping the speakers). If you can stick it out a week or two, I can give you some first hand opinions.

Note: I don't own a 6505/5150, nor do I have immediate access to one. So I can just give you generalized speaker characteristics.


Yeah, if you could find this thread again or pm me when you get them, I'd love to hear what you have to say. I'd be interested in how they sound for 'modern' metal, regardless of your amp.
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http://www.guitarnoize.com/gear-demo-eminence-texas-heat-and-swamp-thang-speakers/

maybe those clips will help

i've only tried the texas heat. I wouldn't want any darker in a 1x12, that's for sure. that being said, in that clip i linked to, the swamp thang sounds brighter, i think.

no idea what's going on. eminence said the same thing to me regarding the TH versus swamp thang (though i wanted it for entirely different purposes).

i guess the only thing i'd really say is i'd need a very good reason to go against their advice. they (presumably) know their own speakers.


Thanks, those clips did help. I actually liked the sound of the Texas Heat a little better on most of the styles. They did play one "Metallicaesque" riff that kind of sounds like my style, and I preferred the TH on that one. But my style is more aggressive than that riff.

I guess as long as I can get a decent amount of money for my Governor (it only has about 25 hours of low to moderate volume play time, I can try a Texas Heat and then try the Swamp Thang if the TH doesn't work.

I don't want to try to fix my low-end issues too much and then have to get something more toward the middle, haha. I could definitely imagine that Texas Heat sounding pretty brutal if tuned a little lower and through a 6505 with more gain...

Thanks to all who responded!
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#8
for thump, the swamp thang is probably better. I like heats, but I like high mids and epic solos.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
http://www.guitarnoize.com/gear-demo-eminence-texas-heat-and-swamp-thang-speakers/

maybe those clips will help

i've only tried the texas heat. I wouldn't want any darker in a 1x12, that's for sure. that being said, in that clip i linked to, the swamp thang sounds brighter, i think.

no idea what's going on. eminence said the same thing to me regarding the TH versus swamp thang (though i wanted it for entirely different purposes).

i guess the only thing i'd really say is i'd need a very good reason to go against their advice. they (presumably) know their own speakers.

This is also what I experienced with the Swamp Thang in my 6505+ 112. The Texas Heat shines in the undersized Fender 412.

The Governor sounded best to me.
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for thump, the swamp thang is probably better. I like heats, but I like high mids and epic solos.


But how are the Heats for that "thump?" I'm not a real soloist, more of a ryhthm player. I just didn't find that the Governor has enough punch/low-end thump.

Now I'm thinking about the Swamp Thang again...
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#11
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But how are the Heats for that "thump?" I'm not a real soloist, more of a ryhthm player. I just didn't find that the Governor has enough punch/low-end thump.

Now I'm thinking about the Swamp Thang again...


don't get me wrong, the heat has some bass, but it isnt as tight or chunky as a swamp thang. It is definitely a smoother speaker, with more focus on cutting through than bouncing your balls together. Great speaker, but I stand by my rec for the swamps.
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don't get me wrong, the heat has some bass, but it isnt as tight or chunky as a swamp thang. It is definitely a smoother speaker, with more focus on cutting through than bouncing your balls together. Great speaker, but I stand by my rec for the swamps.


You wouldn't happen to have a sound clip of either in a 6505+ combo, would you?

Also, I'm assuming both of them have more bass/low mids than my Governor, right?
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#13
I'm sorry, I don't have any way to Get a clip. I can't say for sure, as I've never heard gov in the combo in person, but I'd think so yes.
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#14
Quote by KailM

Also, I'm assuming both of them have more bass/low mids than my Governor, right?



i haven't tried the gov, but assuming it's at least in the ballpark of a v30, then the TH has a lot more of a chunky low end and lower mids (i think... i'm terrible at tonal descriptions and actually deciphering what mids etc. are ).

also i think the TH is more low mids than high mids. but (as i said) i might be way off on that

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This is also what I experienced with the Swamp Thang in my 6505+ 112. The Texas Heat shines in the undersized Fender 412.

The Governor sounded best to me.


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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#15
^^I hear ya -- mids are kind of hard to define, because it's not like there's a clear dividing line between each frequency. What my ears hear is either too much in the highs/not enough lows, or too much in the lows with no "cut" or "bite."

But yeah, I think low-mids are probably what I'm after -- to bring out the brootz without getting muddy. I think what I've read (and what I hear) in my Governor is a strong upper-midrange.
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#16
^ from what I understand about the gov, that seems like it would be correct.
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#17
ditto

i think the TH would do what you want, but that's not to say that (a) something else might not do it better and (b) that it might not be too much in the other direction.

the other thing is, it's quite american-voiced, so that might not be what you want, either. or it might be exactly what you want.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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Quote by Dave_Mc
ditto

i think the TH would do what you want, but that's not to say that (a) something else might not do it better and (b) that it might not be too much in the other direction.

the other thing is, it's quite american-voiced, so that might not be what you want, either. or it might be exactly what you want.


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Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

#20
The Governor sounded better than the Texas Heat to me, in my 6505+ 112, at gigging volume; so, I'm not sure if KailM has cranked it and/or if the Tungsram 12AX7 had something to do with the better Lows and Low Mids.

I liked the TH better in undersized cabs; so, YMMV.
#21
KailM What did you decide? I ultimately found that a 1x12 with the Texas Heat sounded great for leads but lacked presence on the rhythm playing. Curious how the Swamp Thang stacks up against it. I'm not sure how fair of a comparison that video clip is, as all tone knobs are likely straight up, and you could do a lot more to increase the treble of the TH or the mids of the ST.
#22
You're necroing a 4 year old thread.

I don't even think he runs a 212 anymore. I think KailM runs a 412 with either Swamp Thangs or Vintage 30's these days. And converted the amp into a head like all the cool kids do.

The Swamp Thang is not too dissimilar from a V30 iirc, but has less upper mids.
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i would recommend throwing a celestion K100 in there.


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You're necroing a 4 year old thread.

I don't even think he runs a 212 anymore. I think KailM runs a 412 with either Swamp Thangs or Vintage 30's these days. And converted the amp into a head like all the cool kids do.

The Swamp Thang is not too dissimilar from a V30 iirc, but has less upper mids.


To be fair to the guy, he does have another thread going where he's asking about these speakers, so I guess he was just looking for some other info.

And a Swamp Thang is totally different from a V30. Way different. I don't really like it, bit sterile to my ears.

(I guess I got one since this thread was originally active )
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?