#1
Hello!
We are updating studio (non-pro yet, closer to garage ), buying some amps, and so on.
Bought old Fender Bassman head, for rock/stoner rock, now looking for a good cabinet.
I heard that classic Fender Bassman cab makes mild sound, not very good for harder styles then blues, classic rock'n'roll, etc.
Of course local dealers advice expensive original cabs, Fender, Mesa etc., many other guys saying than normal custom made cabs are no worse.
So there are two questions.

1) Are original cabs really magically better then all-the-same custom cabs?

2) What construction (pleese give an example of existing cabs) of 2x12 cab (I think with Celestion V30) would you advice to use with Fender bassman for more or less multipurpose using? Priority to classic rock/stoner rock. And one other point - we need it more for recording f##kin great tone then for repetitions.


Local custom cabs builders advice Mesa style cab, 18mm birch-ply, closed back (with removing part of back), 2xCelestion V30 12"
Last edited by sirFlyingV at Mar 23, 2012,
#2
Sure the Mesas and Orange cabs are very good but there's no reason that a good small builder can't make something at least as good.
Closed back gives you a tighter bass, not more, just tighter. An open back cab actually produces a tad more bass but it's sloppy. I'm a big fan of closed back, front ported cab.
The main thing is what timber it's made out of and how well it's braced. You want a good solid centre brace between the back and the baffle board on a 4x12.
Guys here with Avatar cabs seem pretty happy with them. I've never used one but the photos I've seen here showing its construction were impressive enough. Lots cheaper, you can pay a lot of money for the logo on the front of a cab, often as much as you do for the rest of the cab.
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#3
just out of personal taste you might want to consider jensons over celestions. maybe something like the C12Ks or something like that. if you're looking at something like orange then i guess that's out of the question, but I too have heard good things about Avatar cabs, never really checked them out though. since you're going to be using this for recording (again personal preference) you might want to go with a 2x12 rather than a 4x12. i feel they work better when recording
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#4
I recommend Avatar. My cab has been through sooooo much, I plan on retolexing it pretty soon. Not tolex though, Rhino bed lining.

Then you can get an Orange logo off the net, and screw it to the front. Win.
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#5
What speakers is a harder thing. For the styles you mentioned I'd go for Scumbacks. They are a more British voiced thing. If you actually want a more Fendery sound I'd go for Jensens or maybe Weber Vintage.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#6
Thanks guys for information!
I am from Russia, so it's difficult to find Avatars here))) but here are some well respected custom builders, like Skeletone, we will order cab from them.
#7
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What speakers is a harder thing. For the styles you mentioned I'd go for Scumbacks. They are a more British voiced thing.


hmm... thats interesting.
#8
Oh, IMHO, don't get V30s. They sound really harsh and spikey, nothing I would want to plug a Bassmen into. 5150 sure. Not a Bassman.
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#10
I have no freaking idea. Greenbacks are popular for that amp, aren't they?
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#11
Jensens are the traditional speakers for a Bassman. But do you want the classic bassman sound is the question. Personally I think Bassmans through greenbacky things sound sensational but hey, I'm a Marshall man really. I'd stick a 12AX7 in V1 too.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
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I'm a Marshall man really. I'd stick a 12AX7 in V1 too.

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#13
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But do you want the classic bassman sound is the question.


That wasn't my personal decision, to buy a Bassman, so I want to get vintage sound, but with ability to rock \m/
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Oh, IMHO, don't get V30s. They sound really harsh and spikey, nothing I would want to plug a Bassmen into. 5150 sure. Not a Bassman.


+1

eminence makes some nice american-voiced speakers which would be worth a look. they also make ones which are more aimed at OD, but without losing the american tonality (which you do if you go with celestions, basically).
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eminence makes some nice american-voiced speakers which would be worth a look.


Unfortunately it's impossible to test all of them) What models would you advice?
especially interested OD-friendly.
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Unfortunately it's impossible to test all of them) What models would you advice?
especially interested OD-friendly.

Not completely!

Theres a really kickass youtube video out there. I have to run and do some stuff (my evaluation, finally!) but I'll link it later!
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Unfortunately it's impossible to test all of them) What models would you advice?
especially interested OD-friendly.


out of what i've tried (which is... red white and blues, texas heat, screamin eagle and copperhead (10")), i'd say texas heat. It's fairly modern-sounding, but also quite sweet-sounding as well so it'll do the more vintage stuff, too (not as well as a vintage speaker, but passable). It's a little on the warm/dark side, though. so that might be worth bearing in mind.

if you do think of going with eminence (i always say this, lol) the best thing to do is to email them for advice. they're very helpful, and quick to reply.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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