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#1
I've decided that I need a strat for something else than metal, like blues and classic rock and some hard rock too. For metal I have my Gibson Les Paul Studio loaded with EMGs which I am very pleased with and that is probably why I want to get different sound world.

Now, what I'd like the strat to have:

Brand: One limitation. No Ibanez. I do not hate them, but I had an Ibanez and I really didn't get used to the neck. It really didn't just feel good enough. Could be either the fret size or then the neck shape itself.
Shape: Strat (or Jackson-type super strat)
Must have 22 or 24 frets (I feel 21 being too few )
Must have a maple fingerboard
Preferably bolt-on maple neck
Body wood doesn't really matter, but alder is great.
With a tremolo (Either standard or vintage or FR)
H/S/S, H/S/H or S/S/S configuration

Location: I live in Finland. I hate to order guitars blindly, because I want to try them out.
Budget: 600 euros (Can stretch to 800 if it really gets me something much more valuable than 600)
Ready to mod? Sure.
Ready to look for used? Sure.
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You are aware you just described a Fender Strat right?

Umm yes, other than being 22 or 24 frets, not 21 and I want specifically a maple fingerboard and really prefer 3 pickups, which makes Blacktop unavailable.
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#7
charvel pro mod?

i'd say tokai if you want something more vintage but normally they only have 21 frets
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#8
dunno what availability is like in your neck of the woods, but check out the G&L tribute series. Specifically, check out the Comanche, S-500 and the Legacy. They're all excellent guitars, and offer some really good features for the money.
#10
indeed

i should have clarified i meant the pickguard-mounted one, which is HSH-routed under there. you can make it whatever you want
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I hate to order guitars blindly, because I want to try them out.

This is the most important part of your post. Go to a shop and try every guitar that falls within your budget. Then go to another and do the same. Keep going until you find the guitar you want.

Once you've found the guitar you want, surf the internet for the best deal on it, either used or new.
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#12
Shop locally, dude!

Check out Ruokangas & Flaxwood: out of your price range, perhaps, but indicative of a good Finnish luthierie culture. Somebody in your neck of the woods must be supplying lower-priced, locally produced guitars.

(And I've heard that Flaxwood is considerably cheaper in Europe than here in the USA...and a used one would be cheaper still.)
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#13
Quote by Dave_Mc
charvel pro mod?

i'd say tokai if you want something more vintage but normally they only have 21 frets


They have space for a single-coil to the middle behind the pickguard, as you said? Cause making a smooth hole there for one wouldn't come cheap, also keeping in mind the costs of a single-coil pickup. However, I do like the fact that they're crafted in Japan. Only downside is that I'd have to order this guitar online, since Fender has decided to limit their export on Jackson and Charvel guitars (this is what I heard from the local shopkeeper, cause otherwise he'd have Jackson and Charvel guitars on the wall.)

Yeah, I know that Tokai makes excellent guitars for the money, but the strats have 21 frets, like they're "supposed" to. I like Tokai's LP copies though.

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dunno what availability is like in your neck of the woods, but check out the G&L tribute series. Specifically, check out the Comanche, S-500 and the Legacy. They're all excellent guitars, and offer some really good features for the money.


The S/S/S routed Legacy strat looks really promising. Too bad the one with a humbucker in the bridge does not have maple fingerboard, I'd really like to have that for the hard rock style.. But I can always buy a single-coil sized humbucker, so it isn't a problem.

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This is the most important part of your post. Go to a shop and try every guitar that falls within your budget. Then go to another and do the same. Keep going until you find the guitar you want.

Once you've found the guitar you want, surf the internet for the best deal on it, either used or new.


I have tried out a lot of strats, mostly superstrats, but original Fender ones too.

I really don't like buying online, because I always get so nice deals from the local guitar shopkeeper. As an example, I never have to pay anything else than strings when I get them set on my guitar. I guess that's what I deserve to get since I've mostly bought all my stuff from there.

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It's the only one I could find. To be fair you're being a bit picky. If you didn't want a maple fingerboard so badly, you could get a nice Fender

Yes, I'm being a bit picky, but I have to.
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They have space for a single-coil to the middle behind the pickguard, as you said? Cause making a smooth hole there for one wouldn't come cheap, also keeping in mind the costs of a single-coil pickup. However, I do like the fact that they're crafted in Japan. Only downside is that I'd have to order this guitar online, since Fender has decided to limit their export on Jackson and Charvel guitars (this is what I heard from the local shopkeeper, cause otherwise he'd have Jackson and Charvel guitars on the wall.)

Yeah, I know that Tokai makes excellent guitars for the money, but the strats have 21 frets, like they're "supposed" to. I like Tokai's LP copies though.



far as i'm aware they do (they're specced as being HSH-routed), but haven't actually checked myself

i think the japanese factory that makes the charvels and japanese jacksons has shut, unfortunately. so that's not going to help the future availability of them
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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far as i'm aware they do (they're specced as being HSH-routed), but haven't actually checked myself

i think the japanese factory that makes the charvels and japanese jacksons has shut, unfortunately. so that's not going to help the future availability of them


Oh, that stinks really.. Well, I think that the G&L might have more potential than the Charvel for me. However, as I am trying to find a guitar myself, I stumbled upon this:
http://www.schecterguitars.com/International/Products/Guitar/California-Vintage-VS-2.aspx
Would it be decent? I think the G&L looks a little better than that one.

I am not looking to spend more on a strat, because it's basically a whole new world. Standard tuning, instead of one step lower, I won't play really heavy metal on it, maybe something in the style of Iron Maiden and Skid Row perhaps.
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#18
Frudua- an Italian company- makes some beauties that may be available for a price you'd be willing to pay:

http://www.fruduastore.com/frudua-c-1300_1334.html
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#19
The Carvin Bolt series falls in your price range as well, and 3 options on how much you'd pay.:

Customized to your specs*: http://www.carvinguitars.com/customshop/boltneck.php

Guitars in stock: http://www.carvinguitars.com/guitars-in-stock/group.php?cid=SB&dir=R&sort=price

Guitar kits: http://www.carvinguitars.com/kits/


* yes, guitars depicted with only 2 pickups can get a third as an option.
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#20
Can you afford the American Special Strat? I'm not sure how prices are where you are. But that is the cheapest Strat that is exactly what you want.
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The Carvin Bolt series falls in your price range as well, and 3 options on how much you'd pay.:

Customized to your specs*: http://www.carvinguitars.com/customshop/boltneck.php

Guitars in stock: http://www.carvinguitars.com/guitars-in-stock/group.php?cid=SB&dir=R&sort=price

Guitar kits: http://www.carvinguitars.com/kits/

* yes, guitars depicted with only 2 pickups can get a third as an option.


As much as I'd like to have a Carvin, I could not get it for that price. To be honest, I'd really want to get a Carvin that is customized to my own specs. The Finnish dealer of Carvin, Musiikki Silfverberg, offers Carvin Bolt guitars with a price tag of 1200 euros and up. That's way over my budget and gives me way too many options. For now, I'd like to just explore this world with an excellent, but affordable strat.

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Can you afford the American Special Strat? I'm not sure how prices are where you are. But that is the cheapest Strat that is exactly what you want.


Yeah well, it's on the very top end of my budget. Granted, it is pretty much the cheapest and matches everything I'd want. Pretty much the same as with my LP Studio. As new American Specials like 900 euros here, so it's something that I would not really want to spend. The G&L Tribute series Legacy looks really promising, cause it isn't too expensive, falls into the same price category as Mexico strats. Although it isn't made in Mexico or USA or Japan, it still offers all the features I'm looking for and isn't made out of plywood or something like that.

Why I'm not ready to spend on this guitar as much as on my LP, is that I'm not sure that I would use it as much. It would be mostly just for my own fun, not band.
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i haven't tried that schecter. the maple neck only appears to be available on the black one, though, if that's important.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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i haven't tried that schecter. the maple neck only appears to be available on the black one, though, if that's important.


Yes, I noticed that one, it doesn't really matter. However I'd like the guitar be something else than black, I really like the 3-tone sunburst finish on strats.
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#24
As much as I'd like to have a Carvin, I could not get it for that price. To be honest, I'd really want to get a Carvin that is customized to my own specs. The Finnish dealer of Carvin, Musiikki Silfverberg, offers Carvin Bolt guitars with a price tag of 1200 euros and up. That's way over my budget and gives me way too many options. For now, I'd like to just explore this world with an excellent, but affordable strat.


I suspected import costs would be a bear, which is why I've mostly been suggesting Finnish or other European brands.
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I suspected import costs would be a bear, which is why I've mostly been suggesting Finnish or other European brands.

Yeah well, Ruokangas guitars cost around 2900 euros at cheapest? I gave my budget, I think.
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Yes, I noticed that one, it doesn't really matter. However I'd like the guitar be something else than black, I really like the 3-tone sunburst finish on strats.


yeah i'm not fussed on black on strats either, which is why i mentioned it
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#28
The Flaxwoods and Frudua are also quality, and considerably cheaper...though they may not be to your exacting specs (aesthetically speaking, not quality).

I was really just throwing them out as exemplars of the quality available in Europe by local luthieries- suggesting you may be able to find The One without having to pay brutal import taxes by considering brands we almost never see in the USA.
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The Flaxwoods and Frudua are also quality, and considerably cheaper...though they may not be to your exacting specs (aesthetically speaking, not quality).

I was really just throwing them out as exemplars of the quality available in Europe by local luthieries- suggesting you may be able to find The One without having to pay brutal import taxes by considering brands we almost never see in the USA.


Yeah, but what I'm trying to find now is the "decent" guitar and best for the budget that I've got with many limitations, not a custom of my own.
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#30
Right, but as the McPherson's (and Carvin's) site illustrates, guitar makers big & small often have stuff in stock that may be to your liking- new or used. Unless you're talking about the guys who make custom only, there will be some guitars in stock almost anywhere you look, sometimes at quite reasonable prices. Jon Kammer's custom work starts at $2k, but his standard models cost right under half of that.

And its not just the makers themselves. Keep your eyes open! I bought all of my JKG guitars directly from Jon himself...but middle of last year, I saw a used walnut one hanging in the GC just down the street from me for $1000. I knew what the first owner had paid for it- I had one of the same model in a different wood- so I knew that was a steal.

I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be the same in Europe...just with different brands. Even high-end guitars wind up on the pegs of the used guitar section of guitar shops...
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#31
The Highway One Strat is cheaper than the Special and it's a great guitar!

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#32
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The Highway One Strat is cheaper than the Special and it's a great guitar!

I had totally forgotten that Highway One has got 22 frets. Hmm.. But what I can see is that none of the Finnish guitar shops have the maple one in store and only one web shop has got the rosewood one in store. Got to have to look for one.
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#33
Nothing wrong with trying out the rosewood one- you may like it. You may hate it. You may hate it so much you won't want a maple one.

If you like the rosewood but still really want the maple, use your charm and they may be able to get you one.
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Nothing wrong with trying out the rosewood one- you may like it. You may hate it. You may hate it so much you won't want a maple one.

If you like the rosewood but still really want the maple, use your charm and they may be able to get you one.

Only that the store is like at least 600 kilometres away from me, I don't own a car and the costs would be ridiculously high just to try one out.

But I do know that I want a maple one, cause I've tried out a Squier strat with a maple fretboard and liked it much more than it's rosewood brother.
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#35
Those ARE valid reasons!

OTOH, 600km? That's only an hour and a half away by Bugatti Veryon...

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Oh, that stinks really.. Well, I think that the G&L might have more potential than the Charvel for me. However, as I am trying to find a guitar myself, I stumbled upon this:
http://www.schecterguitars.com/International/Products/Guitar/California-Vintage-VS-2.aspx
Would it be decent? I think the G&L looks a little better than that one.

I am not looking to spend more on a strat, because it's basically a whole new world. Standard tuning, instead of one step lower, I won't play really heavy metal on it, maybe something in the style of Iron Maiden and Skid Row perhaps.


if he is saying they are HSH routed, all you would have to do is to cut the pickguitar or a new pickguiard out to fit an additional single coil. you would have to route anything on the body if he is right, which i think he is.
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#37
What? It shouldn't be that hard to find a quality American standard strat with the specs you've listed. Heck, that describes my guitar perfectly! I got an amazing 2001 us Fender Strat with a maple neck and fingerboard and with 22 frets! It's got the standard SSS pickups and sounds absploutly great, just like a Strat should! & it only cost me just under a grand.
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if he is saying they are HSH routed, all you would have to do is to cut the pickguitar or a new pickguiard out to fit an additional single coil. you would have to route anything on the body if he is right, which i think he is.


that's what i'm saying. you're talking about buying a new pickguard and then fitting/soldering the pickups.

obviously if you don't like the guitar, that's different, and obviously check with charvel to make sure it's definitely HSH-routed under there, but yeah.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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#39
I do prefer maple fretboards too . Are the new japanese Charvels real pro quality guitars? I'd love how they look. I had an 80's american Charvel that got stolen and it was an amazing guitar.

BTW, my HW1 is from 2006 and IMO is better than newer ones with the big headstock, I do like that guitar a lot. The only thing I don't like is the bridge pickup and the bridge (it always breaks the 1st string if I try to make a 2 notes bend) but you can modify it with not so much money.

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i think so. never actually tried them, just the older USA pro mods. But i haven't heard much bad about the MIJ ones. many (not all) people are saying the MIJ ones are better than the US pro mods were.
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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