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#1
...For my debate class.

Yeah, so I have a debate class and right now we're debating Capital Punishment, and I'm on the side fighting to get rid of it. Now, supposedly the side fighting to change something almost never win, but I thought, "Hey, I have an entire pit full of people who hate the death Penalty, they'll help".

Though I know these sort of threads are frowned upon, so I want this thread to be a good ol' pit-argument for or against it. The only thing I ask, is that anyone trying to get rid of it has to give legitimate reasons.

Illigitimate:
-It's bad.
-You can't kill people for killing people

Legitimate:
-The death penalty costs X amount of dollars, significantly more than life-imprisonment.
-X number of innocent people have been killed by Capital Punishment.


Etc. Etc.

Discuss!

Oh yeah, Sources. If you don't cite a source in your post, it won't be considered.
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#2
We don't need the death penalty. Look at what happened to Jeffrey Dahmer. An inmate killed him, thus the government's hands were clean.
#3
^Yeah, see, that's the sort of Pit-post that I wanted to avoid for once..
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#5
I say we kill everyone then all this hassle could be averted.
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^Yeah, see, that's the sort of Pit-post that I wanted to avoid for once..


Why?
#10
They're getting off easy, duh.

If I were to one day fulfill my fantasy of raping my cat, and got caught and arrested, I'd rather die than go to prison. In fact, I'd be happy dying.

Do you want cat-raping sick fucks like me to be happy? No. You don't.

Death penalty supports cat rape.
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Illigitimate:
-It's bad.
-You can't kill people for killing people

Legitimate:
-The death penalty costs X amount of dollars, significantly more than life-imprisonment.
-X number of innocent people have been killed by Capital Punishment.


So why can't we use the first answers? Because they don't involve economics? I don't see why logic is so one-sidedly favored and other reasons are thrown aside in almost any debate like this. I have to provide support "legitimate" support but the other side doesn't?

Not trying to bash you, obviously, just the people who won't accept answers like the above.
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#12
It would cost less than 3 meals a day + accomodation + clothes + plumbing + laundry water + detergent + work that inmates might be on if they would just bring back the ol' Decapititator
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#13
Here are some graphs n shit, yo.

Murder rates:
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#14
-It is a permanent solution to a possibly temporary problem
-Prisons should be about isolating and rehabilitating offenders (this might be a stretch of an argument)
-Lack of evidence showing a link between the severity of the punishment and discouragement of crime
#15
1. The death penalty ends the life of a human who does in fact have much to say. Not only could they admit to crimes to which the victim or victim's family has yet to receive closure, they could also speak about their motivations, which is useful in criminology. No source needed here.

2. Innocent people have been on death row. Google that yourself, there have been many. Killing an innocent human on the pretense of punishment reeks of Old Testament ethics. Also, we can not foresee the forensic technology that may one day prove a prisoner innocent. We cannot release a wrongly-convicted human if we already killed them.

3. The only practical difference between life imprisonment and capital punishment is cost. Either way, the criminal is separated from free society. Check Wikipedia for how many people there are on death row. You will find that the cost of supporting that amount of people is not impressive.

4. The death penalty makes us all murders.

There's some for you.

EDIT: When interpreting the above graph, remember that correlation is not causation.
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Here are some graphs n shit, yo.

Murder rates:


What are those numbers even representing?
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What are those numbers even representing?


Usually crime rates are expressed as number of crimes per 100,000 heads.
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#19
I'm saying why bother executing the criminal when you could just put him in with the prison population? They can do the dirty work while the government keep their hands clean.
#20
Isn't it incredibly ironic to kill someone for... well killing someone

"What you did is bad, so we're gonna do it to you. Byeee"
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Isn't it incredibly ironic to kill someone for... well killing someone

"What you did is bad, so we're gonna do it to you. Byeee"


How else are they going to stop? By slapping them on the wrist?
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How else are they going to stop? By slapping them on the wrist?


Yeah, murdering someone is the only form of rehabilitation/punishment.

Nah
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Yeah, murdering someone is the only form of rehabilitation/punishment.

Nah


Rehab only has a 27% success rate. Just look at Keith Richards.

Death has a 99% success rate. The 1% is for poltergeists
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Rehab only has a 27% success rate. Just look at Keith Richards.

Death has a 99% success rate. The 1% is for poltergeists




Touche.

Imagine there's an accent over that e.
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Rehab only has a 27% success rate. Just look at Keith Richards.

Death has a 99% success rate. The 1% is for poltergeists

In Norway that 27 is like the other way around

I don't know the actual number but their repeat offender rates are low and they focus entirely on rehabilitation.
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#27
Bring up the fact that the judicial system isn't perfect and that innocent people can and have been incriminated. For ethical reasons there shouldn't be a death penalty until the judicial system has achieved perfection.
Also bring up how it's not economically efficient due to the cost of supplying for the inmate, killing the inmate, and the cost of the appeals from the inmate to not have to be executed.
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In Norway that 27 is like the other way around

I don't know the actual number but their repeat offender rates are low and they focus entirely on rehabilitation.


I think it's because Norway is cool and we aren't
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like that?


Perfect, thank you for your time.
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#30
I don't really see it as being bad to kill people who commit heinous crimes. It's better just to liquidate them. And about the cost, just hang them for gods sake. I don't care if someone thinks it "inhumane".
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I don't really see it as being bad to kill people who commit heinous crimes. It's better just to liquidate them. And about the cost, just hang them for gods sake. I don't care if someone thinks it "inhumane".


I really do see it as being bad to kill people who may have committed heinous crimes. It's better to let them live. I do care if someone thinks it's "inhumane." Just putting the other side of that out there.
#32
Why is the stance that "you can't kill people for killing people" a legitimate argument? It most certainly is.

If you want to be a debater, but you shy away from making arguments based on morality because you feel that they are illegitimate, than you are a failure
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Why is the stance that "you can't kill people for killing people" a legitimate argument? It most certainly is.

If you want to be a debater, but you shy away from making arguments based on morality because you feel that they are illegitimate, than you are a failure


They're not my rules bro. That's how debating works, if you want to change something, the burden of proof lies with you, that's why it's so tough. But it doesn't matter what YOU think, you need statistics, and harm.

Innocent dead people is a harm, cost, is a harm. But morality is not.
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They're not my rules bro. That's how debating works, if you want to change something, the burden of proof lies with you, that's why it's so tough. But it doesn't matter what YOU think, you need statistics, and harm.

Innocent dead people is a harm, cost, is a harm. But morality is not.


I know about debating. I'm saying the standard is shitty. The heart of the greatest debates in America, the ones that reach the Supreme Court, is morality
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I know about debating. I'm saying the standard is shitty. The heart of the greatest debates in America, the ones that reach the Supreme Court, is morality


Oh, I agree with you, but then it becomes too subjective for this sort of scenario.
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Oh, I agree with you, but then it becomes too subjective for this sort of scenario.


At its root, the death penalty is subjective and based on morality lol. BALLS TO YOUR DEBATE CLASS
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#37
Debate class was the worst.
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Debate class was the worst.


My debate club in high school was filled with either tin hat wearers or flat earthers.
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My debate club in high school was filled with either tin hat wearers or flat earthers.


TOPICALITY

Mine was just a bunch of nerds.
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TOPICALITY

Mine was just a bunch of nerds.


I would rather sit in a class with nerds than tin hatters spewing how George Bush was involved in the moon landing conspiracy.
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