#1
Three weeks ago I bought a Bullet Strat to learn on. I have a very limited budget, so the Bullet and a Peavey 15W Vypyr were pretty much my budget.

I've read all sorts of negative comments about them on forums, and I have to ask: what is it that makes them lousy? Mine makes nice noises if I do things right, but I know nothing about guitars. I'd be interested to know what increasing dollar amounts for better guitars gets you.

Thanks for any replies.
#2
Everything. But you gotta learn so work with it till you get better. Good luck!
#3
Plywood body, neck warps easily, hardware is made of really "soft" metal, electronics are no good.

Regardless I learned to play on one and still have it. It's also my practice guitar for mods.
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#4
Quote by CM_X5
Plywood body, neck warps easily, hardware is made of really "soft" metal, electronics are no good.

Why does everyone say the body is plywood? I have looked at several bullet strat bodies and I have never seen a plywood one before.
#5
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Why does everyone say the body is plywood? I have looked at several bullet strat bodies and I have never seen a plywood one before.


Well I actually cut into mine to add a neck pickup. It's plywood at least in my case.
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#6
For you its a perfect guitar. Its a starter guitar and it's what I even started on. When you put more money into a guitar you get better electronics, hardware and wood and over all it just sounds better. After you have been playing for a while and figure out what kind of tone your looking for you'll start to hear the difference. But for now that guitar will suit you fine.
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#7
there is nothing wrong with it, its a starter guitar , built out of cheap materials so it can be sold cheap to beginner guitarists who arent going to buy really expensive ones, its just good sense, for more money you get better parts and materials, same as anything else
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#8
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Three weeks ago I bought a Bullet Strat to learn on. I have a very limited budget, so the Bullet and a Peavey 15W Vypyr were pretty much my budget.

I've read all sorts of negative comments about them on forums, and I have to ask: what is it that makes them lousy? Mine makes nice noises if I do things right, but I know nothing about guitars. I'd be interested to know what increasing dollar amounts for better guitars gets you.

Thanks for any replies.

Stop reading about it then.

It's a beginner guitar, so of course anybody who owns much more expensive equipment is going to think it's "crummy" - their opinions don't matter though. All you need to be worried about is learning to play the thing, and what other people have to say about your equipment has absolutely nothing to do with that.

It's a perfectly acceptable guitar for learning to play on, and better than what a lot of people start with. Focus on learning to play for the time being, there's no point getting all bogged down in gear before you can even play.
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#9
^ +1

obviously once you hit a certain point you want to start considering gear, but learn to play first. I'm glad i only found out about internet guitar forums and the like when i'd already been playing for a while, so i didn't get distracted by it from the get-go.
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#10
Well basically, it's a $90 guitar. You can easily spend more than that just on pickups. Mine was made of some sort of "wood" that I couldn't identify. I routed a hole in it to add a battery box for some sctive pickups, and it looked like pressed and glued sawdust inside.

The electronics and hardware are pretty cheap, and are unlikely to last very long. The pickups are not very good.

I'm not trashing them, because as a starter guitar, they're not terrible. They're something cheap to learn on, and if you give up on the guitar you're only out $90 or so.

If you spend a little time with a quality instrument, the differences will be obvious.
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#11
Thanks for the replies. I don't think there are too many other parts of the guitar to explain.

I didn't know if I'd stay interested (it's been three weeks, so I still don't know), which is why I bought a cheap guitar. When I was looking at guitars, I saw a nice used real Telecaster for $475, and briefly considered buying it, but talked myself out of that. If I stick with it, then I'll spring for more.

I got an early glimpse at the quality of the hardware and construction when a wire on the jack came loose. There's no star washer or other type of hardware to keep the nut and the jack itself from spinning, so the hot wire broke off after about a week. The quality of the soldering was terrible, so I un-soldered both wires and re-did them. Then I put blue Loctite on the threads. I don't know what else I'll have to fix.

But, again, it was $120 (with strap, etc).

You folks helped me feel better about my choice. Thanks again.
#12
It sounds like you already know the answers to all your questions. Fact is, if the frets don't cut your fingers it's an OK guitar to start out on.
#13
hehe if you can solder competently you're already ahead of some of us (i.e. me )
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#14
A bullet strat is a hell of a lot better than the no name stratter-crapper I had as my first guitar...


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#15
hehe if you can solder competently you're already ahead of some of us


I have three full tool carts, and have rebuilt and restored several cars, and fixed just about every type of appliance, plumbing and electrical problem around the house. I think I'm ready for anything this guitar throws at me.

At some point I'd like to take this guitar to a store, plug it and a real Stratocaster or Telecaster into an amp, and just compare the difference in feel and sound.
#16
A Bullet Strat is perfectly acceptable if you're still not sure if you want to go on.
The moment you decide to go on, though, you should upgrade to maybe a Classic Vibe series Squier.

PS. No matter how crappy it may be, it'll still be an imperial f*ck-ton better than the crappy starterpack Strat I started with.
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#17
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It sounds like you already know the answers to all your questions. Fact is, if the frets don't cut your fingers it's an OK guitar to start out on.


Well that, and if it doesn't go out of tune every single time you strum it. I don't know why no one has mentioned this yet, but the main problem I had with my bullet Squier, was keeping it in tune throughout every song I played. I gave that thing to my little cousin to play with, and got myself a nice Mexican strat. I never had a problem after that, not to mention the tone was ridiculously better!
#18
Nothing wrong with a bullet. But id always buy the best guitar I could afford, if all you can afford it is a bullet thats fine, but if you could afford a better guitar I would.

It will play better, sound better, and if you stop playing you can sell it. Generally if you buy a big brand you can find something decent used you can sell at little loss.
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#19
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I've read all sorts of negative comments about them on forums, and I have to ask: what is it that makes them lousy?


Lousy players.
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Lousy players.


+ some very large number...
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#21
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Lousy players.

so great players use bullets? Eric Clapton spend 4.6 mill on a car but plays a $100 strat?


even if you polish a shit, its still a shit
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#22
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so great players use bullets? Eric Clapton spend 4.6 mill on a car but plays a $100 strat?


even if you polish a shit, its still a shit


No, but EC playing a bullet will still sound better than most of us using custom shop gear.

It's a damn poor craftsman that blames their tools...
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#23
And the corollary: An F1 driver in a Corvette will still beat Clapton around the track.
#24
I was an advertising photographer for 30 years, and was in the top three in a city with probably 500-1000 full time ad photographers, and God only knows how many part-timers and amateurs. Other photographers always thought I had the most expensive equipment (which they often did), but I had good solid equipment, but never the pricey stuff. There were plenty of amateurs running around on weekends with $20,000 worth of cameras and lenses in a little camera bag.

If I'm still playing in a year, I'll buy a real Stratocaster or Telecaster. If I come across a steal, though, that's a different story.
#25
If you can afford it, I would get a better guitar. Something like a used telecaster would be perfect, you can find them for decent prices.

Its a better guitar, playing it will be easier and more fun, it will sound better and hence your more likely to keep playing. You will also probably learn a bit quicker as well. And if you dont keep playing, you can sell it for near the value you payed for it. Cheap guitars generally have v poor resale value.

I bought a gibson les paul after playing 2 months, the only mistake there was not buying it at the start.
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#26
Quote by Arby911
No, but EC playing a bullet will still sound better than most of us using custom shop gear.

It's a damn poor craftsman that blames their tools...

Yes, but its not lousy players that give a bad rep. its the more experienced players who can actually say if its crap or not
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#27
Quote by JAHellraiser
Yes, but its not lousy players that give a bad rep. its the more experienced players who can actually say if its crap or not


But it is the lousy players that rate it 0/10 on all the reviews because "iT cAnT bRiNg tEh BROOTALZ"
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#28
I set up a bullet strat for a friend who was getting into guitar just last year. I don't know if the quality has changed over the years, but that was a solid guitar. Yes, there are much better guitars out there, but theoretically you could play a bullet for years and not suffer because of it. The bodies are made of real wood - not plywood - at least on the newer models. And the pickups aren't great, but they are competent - they aren't complete junk or anything like that. Hang with the bullet as long as you want until you start to feel a lack of something. No reason to buy a more expensive guitar unless you aren't getting something you need from the one you have.
#29
i own two Bullet Strats. love them both to death. had a third one that was killer too, but gave it to my ex-GF's son.

they are excellent guitars for the price. and with some mods, they can do everything you need a Strat to do.

i aim to add another Bullet to my collection, but the next will be on of the HSS ones, with a humbucker in the bridge.

the biggest problem with Squier Bullets is that they rarely have good set-ups. so people pick them up and think they suck. but after a set-up there's no reason they can't play great. mine do.

here's a video of me playing a completely stock Squier Bullet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7ikXwYABuk
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#30
Quote by PsiGuy60

The moment you decide to go on, though, you should upgrade to maybe a Classic Vibe series Squier.


i have two modded Bullets and a CV 50s Strat. i prefer the Bullets.
#32
peskypesky, that's beautiful. If it's coming from a cheap guitar, I sure can't tell.

BTW, I took the jack off again to look at the wires, and it didn't look like plywood inside. I don't know what it is, but not plywood. Maybe pressure-compressed sawdust.
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#33
Heres Rich playing a stock bullet. He exlusively plays squiers even though he has a
Schecter C-1 and a Fender Stratocaster. I think hes actually trying to sell his C-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPase-2faig&feature=plcp&context=C4f347a8VDvjVQa1PpcFPO4dI-GFd9AluStMOBFmQjoM9JsVb2wf8=
#34
It's a great starter, don't listen to the turds who say it's junk. That guitar will teach you just as much as an American made strat.
#35
Recent Bullets are actually basswood, not ply. They switched I think 3 years back, iirc.
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#36
It's fine for a beginner like you but once you start playing a while, your ear becomes trained to better or worse sounds/tones and you can feel the difference between good guitars and cheap guitars.