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#1
I purchased a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier about 6-7 months ago so I could do actual gigging with my band. But I have never not once been satisfied with my tone. I find it completely impossible to get a decent metal/metalcore tone out of this thing. While I have read that it takes a while to really find a tone with one of these heads I still haven't found one, and there has been multiple gigs where my tone has just been absolutely laughable at best. The distortion on this thing sounds terrible and grainy all the time and no matter what tone I try to dial in it just doesn't do much for me. For a while I thought maybe it was just my guitar but once I got a pod farm I realised that even with the rectifier model in podfarm, that was not the case for the tone sounded killer. The triple rectifier has been my first real tube amp so I'm pretty unexperience with them, and with it being stored at our practice spot which is a 30min drive from my house its really hard for me to just sit down with it and mess with the tone. (even though I have never found a decent one anyways.) So I was wondering what way should I go about to getting a good metalcore/metal breakdowney tone for this thing? Is there any vital gear like a compressor or hotplate or something that I should purchase to help with the tone and the ability to get that good tone on the spot at a gig when you don't have time to really dial it in? And if so what do these accessories do? I have been thinking a lot lately of maybe selling my rectifier to instead buy a 5150 which is not only cheaper but I feel will be more reliable to get a tone I want and will be a more reliable when I'm using it live. Any thoughts or suggestions?

TLDR: Can't get a good or reliable tone with rectifier, how can I go about fixing it? Buying compressor or hotplates to improve sound? Selling for a cheaper and possibly more reliable 5150? Looking for a tone like I am abomination, or Jeff Loomis, Asking Alexandria etc.
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#4
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What cab?

Line 6 4x12. I know thats not the best by far but its got celestions in it.
#5
Scoop it, scoop it, and scoop it some more.

Bring down the mid way down and tweak the rest to your liking; if your looking for that metalcore sound you might want a little more treble in your tone so bring up the mid hi and try to get a tight low end.

Oh, and gain isn't everything; if you EQ it right, you'll find the sweet spot somewhere between half and 3 quarters (9 o'clock).

Hope this helps! (If this doesn't work, you bought a faulty amp because Mesa Boogies cannot go wrong...or you could just be playing really bad lol jk...maybe)

By the way, what's your gear?
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#6
For starters it baffles me that you went for a £2000 Mesa head for your first tube amp - but there we go.

Secondly - what do you mean you have no time to sit and play around with it. It's band practice - your tone is quintessential to your band. Practice using your amp is just as important as anything else.
Tell your buddies to shut the **** up for an hour, while you sit down, and experiment. If they know anything about amps and tones, they can sit with you and you come to a conclusion, you look at guides on the internet, you look at youtube reviews. You consider an OD pedal, like a ts9 etc.

Also, look up on youtube 'fearedse' - he has a triple rectifier sound test thing, where he shows you it with and without a maxon808.

He'll probably have the settings somewhere too.

Hoep this helps.
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#7
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Scoop it, scoop it, and scoop it some more.

Bring down the mid way down and tweak the rest to your liking; if your looking for that metalcore sound you might want a little more treble in your tone so bring up the mid hi and try to get a tight low end.

Oh, and gain isn't everything; if you EQ it right, you'll find the sweet spot somewhere between half and 3 quarters (9 o'clock).

Hope this helps! (If this doesn't work, you bought a faulty amp because Mesa Boogies are the shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit...or you could just be playing really bad lol jk...maybe)

I may just be a noob at EQ'ing, I'm not sure on the relation between, presence and all that I should have, but it doesn't seem to make too much of a difference. And on the bad playing part, I'd like to think that is excluded since my tones on Podfarm sound killer. Unless playing on them is completely different from the live amp.
#8
Turn off the tube rectifier on the back panel and switch it to the solid state setting. I had one for a year I never really liked it either.
#9
use a maxon OD 808 in front of it...thats what almost every metal mesa user does
#10
Celestion don't mean shit when used by Line6. It's not a specificly famous speaker (like a v30), just some generic speaker which happens to carry the name Celestion.
My old spider also has Celestions. Still sounds like shit. Even if I use another amp through those speakers.

The obvious solution here is not to try a hotplate or a comp.
You plug in your gear the way you'll use it live.
Sit (hours on end if needed) in front of your amp and make small adjustments to knobs.
It's the only way to find a sound YOU like.
There is no secret setting for ultimate tone. Even for a specific genre.
#11
what are your settings?

Are you boosting it with an OD?

What guitar?

Tuning?

You really need to spend some time EQ'ing a recto. The EQ is active, so making changes on one knob will sometimes require a minor tweak of another to sound right. All Mesas are tweaker amps for the most part.

I'd be saving up for a better cab. Line 6 cabs aren't exactly known for being very good. The recto cabs (even the 212's) sound HUGE. Your cab can have a huge impact on your sound.

I had a triple rec for maybe 6 months. It was WAY too much amp for me at the time, but when I was able to crank it up, it did sound pretty epic.
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#12
I've owned one for 7 years now and never had a problem.
Usually on mine (I'm using a Rectifier Traditional 4x12) I've got my Bass scooped to 0. The amp by nature is incredibly low endy. I'm not quite sure what you mean by grainy though. Again, never ran into this issue. If you pass by my profile on here and listen to "Chapter4 Recreate", that's my Triple Rec. mic'd up with a Shure SM57 through my Mesa 4x12 Rectifier Traditional Cab, with my Modded Fender Strato. You shouldn't need an OD pedal with one of these amps. For laughs, this is usually how I have mine set.. Maybe this will work for you?

Lead Channel (Red)
Presence - 1 o'clock
Volume - 12 o'clock
Gain - 2 to 3 o'clock
Bass - All the way down
Mid - 3 to 4 o'clock
Treble - 2 to 3 o'clock

Rythem Channel (Yellow)
Same as lead channel.. Sometimes, if this channel seems like it doesn't have the umph, the Lead Channel will have what I need.. In a heavier application.

Clean Channel (Green)
This channel is going to differ highly for everyone. It's a finicky channel and I hated it for the longest time.. But you CAN achieve a nice clean tone on this amp.. But it requires more time sitting in front of the amp than the dirty channels do, imo.


Seriously though, you just need to practice with it a bit. It took me a LONG while before I finally wrapped my head around mine. It was my second tube amp.. My first one over 25 watts.. And It's a LOT of amp. When I first got mine, I use to scoop the mids and the bass and treble were jacked all the way up. Thank god I've learned better now though. There's a reason why a ton of bands use these amps. The trick is discovering the reason.
#13
If you are too lazy to learn how to drive your amp why should we bother with you? Get off your arse and do what you know you have to do.

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#14
Quote by Alkarin
I may just be a noob at EQ'ing, I'm not sure on the relation between, presence and all that I should have, but it doesn't seem to make too much of a difference.


Actually IMHO, EQ is the thing that matters most. Go to the Mesa Boogie site and they'll give you some settings you can start off with.

One thing that I like to do with new amps, equalizers, pedals, etc. is to bring everything down and try to hear how each knob affects the tone. So for example, you could play one riff with only the bass turned up to max, turn it back down, play the same riff with only the mid turned up to max, turn it back down, and so on. That'll give you a clearer idea of how each part of the amp works and help you 'visualize' the tone you want.
#15
$2000 head and $300 cab. And unwilling to go spend time with it? Sheesh. Go spend a few evenings with it and figure out what you need to know. Or do what a head/cab setup is really great at: get a 2nd cab for home (good quality 2x12??).
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#16
First thing... were the tubes brand new when you bought the amp? Rectifiers are awesome, and if it's sounding bad, I wonder if it's the tubes that need to be replaced.
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#17
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For starters it baffles me that you went for a £2000 Mesa head for your first tube amp - but there we go.

Secondly - what do you mean you have no time to sit and play around with it. It's band practice - your tone is quintessential to your band. Practice using your amp is just as important as anything else.
Tell your buddies to shut the **** up for an hour, while you sit down, and experiment. If they know anything about amps and tones, they can sit with you and you come to a conclusion, you look at guides on the internet, you look at youtube reviews. You consider an OD pedal, like a ts9 etc.

Also, look up on youtube 'fearedse' - he has a triple rectifier sound test thing, where he shows you it with and without a maxon808.

He'll probably have the settings somewhere too.

Hoep this helps.


If you have the money for the best gear, why not? He's actually playing with people, so going from a modeling amp to the best he can get is good.
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#18
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Line 6 4x12. I know thats not the best by far but its got celestions in it.


some celestions are rubbish, though. which celestions does it have?
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#19
get a maxon od808 and use it infront as a "boost" also change the cab, cabs make a huge difference and i cant imagine a line6 cab would ever sound good
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#20
Guys? He think the Triple Recto in Pod Farm sounds better.

I see a clear case of no idea how to EQ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWer6vLy_i4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL1DDB3480BC2370EB

EDIT: Try this- Bass- 3, Mids- 6, Treble 9, Presence- 5.

Cut bass like hell, Rectos have a lot of low end. Boost mids, and boost treble even more. Presence adds sizzle, boost if it doesnt sound aggressive enough. Go to the back of the amp and set the rectifier to solid state and set the <cant recall what this is called> to "bold" from "spongy". Use Channel 3 Modern if its a 3CH. Boost it with a tube screamer if needed.
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Guys? He think the Triple Recto in Pod Farm sounds better.

I see a clear case of no idea how to EQ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWer6vLy_i4&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL1DDB3480BC2370EB


Yeah that's why I was asking about EQ settings and what guitar he was playing through. Being his first tube amp he's probably making the same mistakes I did (and sometimes still do ) with my amps.
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#22
Why can't you keep it at your house? I don't see why people buy $2000 amps only to use them once or twice a week.
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#23
Oh god, here we go again.

TS, just sell the Rec and get a 5150 II/6505+.

The Rec is not for everyone, and it's a rather fickle amp. If it's not working out for you, it's not working out for you.

It sounds like the wrong amp for what you want to play anyway.
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#24
Sit down, crank the volume, and tweak it for hours. Less bass, more mids. Mids are very good in a live setting.
#25
I'd like to hear what you think is a good tone. Post a clip of what your podfarm tone sounds like.
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#26
1. Just because it has Celestions in it, it's still a line 6 cab. Not nessecarily saying all line 6 products are bad, but their cabs are generally sh*t. Get a better cabinet.

2. To me, good tone is key to the creative process. So even in band practice I'm almost continuously f*cking with the buttons on my amp (hell, I've actually spent half of my last gig telling the local sound guy to adjust my amp in specific ways). If your band members don't accept that, to be honest they're not good at being a band.

3. Gain isn't the be-all-and-end-all of metal tone. I can get a sweet metal tone with the gain barely past 1 o'clock, and my amp isn't necessarily known for having huge amounts of gain on tap. So you should be able to get the right amount of gain at about noon, since triple recs are gainzilla.

4. A good overdrive pedal can work wonders. A lot of metal guitarists actually leave their amps on the clean channel and use something like a Blackstar HT-Distortion to provide the gain.

Also, I'm quite interested in what your podfarm tone actually sounds like.
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#27
Have you checked the life and conditions of your preamp tubes?
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#28
It's a 150 watt amp. No one needs 150 watts! Never! Ever! Period! No one needs any more than 30 watts. That's your problem!

Sell your Triple Rec and get a smaller amp, no more than 30 watts. Any more will be too loud for anything. Look into the Mesa Mini Rec, or the Blackstar HT-5. That'll sound so much better.
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It's a 150 watt amp. No one needs 150 watts! Never! Ever! Period! No one needs any more than 30 watts. That's your problem!

Sell your Triple Rec and get a smaller amp, no more than 30 watts. Any more will be too loud for anything. Look into the Mesa Mini Rec, or the Blackstar HT-5. That'll sound so much better.


Says the person with the 100W amp

But in general I disagree. On principal, yes 150W is an excessive amount of power. But the reason the amp exists is because it sounds different than the Dual or Single Recs. The wattage isn't about how powerful or loud it is, it's about what kind of tone it puts out.

And TS is in a band, so it's not like a lot of watts is bad in his case.
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i assumed he was trolling
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#31
If so then shame on me

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#32
Quote by Ian_the_fox
It's a 150 watt amp. No one needs 150 watts! Never! Ever! Period! No one needs any more than 30 watts. That's your problem!

Sell your Triple Rec and get a smaller amp, no more than 30 watts. Any more will be too loud for anything. Look into the Mesa Mini Rec, or the Blackstar HT-5. That'll sound so much better.

I don't know if you've ever tried to do band practice with a Blackstar HT-5. I can tell you right now, you won't be heard over the drummer with that.

EDIT: Dammit. Fell for a troll.
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#33
Triple rec? Sounds like you need more gain, get like +10 gain pedals and plug them in, max out the gain, crank it, cover the entire area for pickups on your guitar with hotrails and have them all on at the same time, and then stand back when your amp rips a hole into the fabric of space and time.
#34
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Quote by Ian_the_fox
It's a 150 watt amp. No one needs 150 watts! Never! Ever! Period! No one needs any more than 30 watts. That's your problem!

Sell your Triple Rec and get a smaller amp, no more than 30 watts. Any more will be too loud for anything. Look into the Mesa Mini Rec, or the Blackstar HT-5. That'll sound so much better.

Quit trolling

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Have you checked the life and conditions of your preamp tubes?


This is what I was thinking the whole time I was reading the thread starting with the long OP.

But all the other suggestions are good too. If you have not tried an OD pedal, better cab, and SS rectification then all I can do is
#35
I have a Recto coming in. I'll see how shitty they are soon enough!
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#36
To me it sounds like you just need a great powered PA system and use PodFarm.
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#37
My Dual Rectifier Roadster is my first tube amp, and I'm loving the shit out of it.
Me and my drummer mess around and sometimes jam metal just for fun and I can easily get a sick ass metal tone out of it, and I'm using a Telecaster with a little '59 pickup in it!
The Triple just ain't for you it seems. I'd go with the 5150 or somethin....
#38
Hold on a minute here.

Your cab is a Line 6 with "Celestions", and you don't know exactly what speaker they are?

Sell your cab IMMEDIATELY. Get a Mesa 412, with good speakers.

Amp heads are very sensitive to what speakers they're connected to. Crappy speakers will give you a crappy sound. Good speakers + good amp = good sound. Good amp + crappy speakers = crappy sound.
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#39
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Hold on a minute here.

Your cab is a Line 6 with "Celestions", and you don't know exactly what speaker they are?

Sell your cab IMMEDIATELY. Get a Mesa 412, with good speakers.

Amp heads are very sensitive to what speakers they're connected to. Crappy speakers will give you a crappy sound. Good speakers + good amp = good sound. Good amp + crappy speakers = crappy sound.


Speakers indeed do make a HUGE difference in sound.
I'm playing my Dual Rectifier through an Orange 4x12 and it sounds sexy as hell.
Invest in a better cab my man, you'll love your Triple after, I promise.
#40
could be multiple reasons. are you by any chance tuning your guitar down to B standard cause you think it makes you sound heavier?
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