#1
Hello UG!
I have a big question that needs anwsering.

I am looking to buy my first Tube amp head, and because I love Marshall sound i can't decide betwenn JVM210H, JVM 410h or 2466 Vintage Modern.

First of all i would like to get a old school distordion out of them(AC/DC, Whitesnake and Guns'n'Roses sound mostly), a little Metal(Dream Theater - but i know i wount but a little metal is good), nice clean and maybe a little chrunch. Now I own a Marshall JCM 900 Amp and use only 1 chanell. For Distortion i use my Boss (DS-2) Turbo distortion and for chrunch i use my Boss(SD-1) super overdrive. I also have on my pedalboard a Boss super chorus, Line 6 DL4 modulator, Boss Harmonist, EVH flanger, and a Standart Cry Baby Wah wah.

Now the question is would i Even need a JVM 410h because it has 4 chanells and i don't think i even need for channels. I also read the forums a little and there are mixed Reviews about the JVM 410h, But the JVM 210h has only two Channels and i think this would be ideal for me.

Also a friend is thinking of buying Marshall Vintage modern 2466 but it has only one chanell and i am a little sceptical about that.

So my question is from which amp will i get these sound and also find my own
My band plays Led Zeppelin, Red Hot Chili Peppers, AC/DC, some Slovenian Bands, a little Blach Sabbath, Eric Clapton, Pearl Jam, Guns'n'roses, and some YUGO ROCK.

From which amp will i get the desired sound, it is versataile, is powerfull and wont be disapointed.

Thank you very much.

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#2
up to you, really. vm might be a little too vintage-sounding, jvm a little too modern (though probably alright).

maybe take a look at a laney gh as well?
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#3
I have a jvm 410h and it will do everything you need. but as Dave said it might be a little too modern.

why arent you using your JCM900? that will cover all the sounds you have said. and its 2 channels.

just use one for gain and boost it with your SD-1 for some heavier sounds. and the other for clean
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#5
Eh. Can't you go used? If I were in your shoes, I'd probably rather have a DSL than either of those.

If anything, I wouldn't get the Vintage Modern. It's a great amp, for sure, but it's only single channel, so using it in a live application for everything you do will be a bit moot.

As for the JVM, I don't really get the point of the 210. I'd recommend the 410, just to have all of the channels & features. Better to have enough than not enough.
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#6
^ If I were to get a JVM (which I wouldn't) I'd get the 210. Remember, there are 3 modes for each channel so you have 6 channels or 6 different basic tones out of the 210. Having 4 channels and 12 modes seems a bit crazy to me and I think the tone suffers because of it. Vintage Modern is out basically if you need cleans.

I'd propose the DSL as well a Laney or an Egnater or a Splawn depending on where you live.


V....That's fair. The 410 is just a bit of a PITA to me. OD1 green was cool though.
Last edited by 311ZOSOVHJH at Apr 13, 2012,
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Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^ If I were to get a JVM (which I wouldn't) I'd get the 210. Remember, there are 3 modes for each channel so you 6 channels or 6 different basic tones out of the 210. Having 4 channels and 12 modes seems a bit crazy to me and I think the tone suffers because of it. Vintage Modern is out basically if you need cleans.

I'd propose the DSL as well a Laney or an Egnater or a Splawn depending on where you live.

IMO no, there's really no noticable difference in tone between the 2-channel and 4-channel JVMs. Not sure if it's true, but I heard the JVM was designed so that the signal runs through whatever channel you selected while the others are being bypassed.
I would personally go for the 410 myself. Might be a bit crazy to have so many tones at first, but if you like to tweak (like me ) there's possibly use for all the channels and modes in the long run.

Anyway, the other amps you listed are worth considering as well.
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#8
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^ If I were to get a JVM (which I wouldn't) I'd get the 210. Remember, there are 3 modes for each channel so you have 6 channels or 6 different basic tones out of the 210. Having 4 channels and 12 modes seems a bit crazy to me and I think the tone suffers because of it. Vintage Modern is out basically if you need cleans.

I'd propose the DSL as well a Laney or an Egnater or a Splawn depending on where you live.


V....That's fair. The 410 is just a bit of a PITA to me. OD1 green was cool though.


It would if the multiple channes were just gain boosts or extra stages. IIRC the JVM has different circuitry for each channel Mesa style?
#9
If you need versatility and cleans I think the JVM is a nice amp. Just be real on how many different tones you need at your feet.

Laney are great amps, and maybe Splawn are better (IDK yet though, I'm dying to try one).

BTW, how many modded JCM800 are being produced this times guys?

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#10
Quote by Perverockstar69
If you need versatility and cleans I think the JVM is a nice amp. Just be real on how many different tones you need at your feet.

Laney are great amps, and maybe Splawn are better (IDK yet though, I'm dying to try one).

BTW, how many modded JCM800 are being produced this times guys?

If you're speaking of hotrodded JCM800 clones, plenty.
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#11
Name the most important ones IYO

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#12
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I don't know why you guys are so scared of single channel amps for live work, there are so many ways to drive them.
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#13
+1 to the vintage modern
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#14
I have the JVM 215C - 2 channel combo.
This amp has been fantastic and the 2 channels with 3 modes on each are way more than enough for the kind of music you are into; and thats without using any pedals for distortion or overdrive.
After having this amp for a while I am happy that I didn't go with the 4 channel version.
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Not sure if it's true, but I heard the JVM was designed so that the signal runs through whatever channel you selected while the others are being bypassed.


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It would if the multiple channes were just gain boosts or extra stages. IIRC the JVM has different circuitry for each channel Mesa style?

But the Modes (gain stages) are shared right? I'm just not a fan of the JVMs. I don't really care for the distortion. 'Contrived' is the term I use to describe it. Never played a Vintage Modern. Not trying to bring you guys down so I'll just leave the thread now.


v... But you can't compare the JVM to Mesa IMO and this was about the 410 vs 210 vs VM. I just had an opinion (that others share btw) that 4 channels/3 modes each is a bit much for a Marshall amp.
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Quote by Dave_Mc
up to you, really. vm might be a little too vintage-sounding, jvm a little too modern (though probably alright).

maybe take a look at a laney gh as well?


JVM, although a modern amp, can be tweaked to sound more vintage than you might expect. I've owned mine for a while now, and mods and tonal preferences aside, just playing with the resonance and presence will go a long way to making it sound more "vintage".
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#18
I have a vintage modern and for the sounds you need it's perfect.
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JVM, although a modern amp, can be tweaked to sound more vintage than you might expect. I've owned mine for a while now, and mods and tonal preferences aside, just playing with the resonance and presence will go a long way to making it sound more "vintage".


yep

funnily enough as soon as i wrote that i sorta remembered that i preferred its vintage tones to its modern ones

but then again i tend to use (sorta) more modern tones, so i was worried maybe it was just me
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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yep

funnily enough as soon as i wrote that i sorta remembered that i preferred its vintage tones to its modern ones

but then again i tend to use (sorta) more modern tones, so i was worried maybe it was just me

Love or hate the JVMs tone, but you can really do ANY genre with it pretty damn well.
It doesn't replace a collection of original Marshall and other brands' amps, but it's one of the most versatile and still good sounding tube amps on the market IMO.
You can go from crystal clear funk to the craziest metal tones with everything inbetween, which you might or might not need.
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#21
oh yeah it was pretty versatile

though i wasn't too fussed on the higher gain tones
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I'll have to put the Classic T models on my to-try list. Shame the finish options there are Anachronism Gold, Nuclear Waste and Aged Clown, because in principle the plaintop is right up my alley.

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I have a vintage modern and for the sounds you need it's perfect.

I also have the Vintage Modern and it is awesome. Any classic rock sounds you can think of, it can do. Yeah it's single channel, but I don't think that matters too much. I only really use the low dynamic range and then use an overdrive if I want to get into dirtier territory. I mainly use a Tone Bender so I just stay on the LDR all the time. The High Dynamic Range will get you the best Guns N Roses sound ever. Slash used the amp live for a few years for good reason
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Slash used the amp live for a few years for good reason


not to mention PG in mr.big had probably my favorite classic-rock-ish rhythm tones
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not to mention PG in mr.big had probably my favorite classic-rock-ish rhythm tones

True. However, he used the 50 watt combo, I believe. And I tried that because dragging a half stack around is a massive pain in the ass. But I thought it sounded crap and the half stack was far superior.
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True. However, he used the 50 watt combo, I believe. And I tried that because dragging a half stack around is a massive pain in the ass. But I thought it sounded crap and the half stack was far superior.


no he used the 50w head live too
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True. However, he used the 50 watt combo, I believe. And I tried that because dragging a half stack around is a massive pain in the ass. But I thought it sounded crap and the half stack was far superior.


The one you played could have been bad. I haven't played the head, but I played the combo for a while, and I really loved it.
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