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#81
Hopefully I'm asking in the right place. Does anyone have any experience with the Avid Recording Mbox? What would you say about it as a beginner tool? Quality? Worth what you pay for?
http://www.amazon.com/Avid-Technology-Recording-Studio/dp/B0041OSWUG/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1349899742&sr=1-1&keywords=mbox

(I'm really looking to get into recording demo tracks and material for Calling All Pit Musician competitions, but I have absolutely no recording experience whatsoever. In the next couple of months I'll take a class at a local recording studio but I'd like to start now.)
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#82
The mbox is alright. You can get better for the money though. I'd spend a little more money on the Saffire 6 or Scarlett 2i2.

Also, that link is not an Mbox. It's an M-audio Fast Track, which pretty much sucks.
#83
Quote by ChemicalFire
THIS THREAD WILL BE UPDATED UNTIL DEEMED CONCISE.

ALSO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT BUYING INTERFACES THAT ISN'T ANSWERED IN THIS POST, PLEASE POST A REPLY TO THIS THREAD WITH YOUR QUESTION.

Okay there has been a trend as of late of people asking about Guitar Interfaces, which is fine, Guitar Interfaces are probably one of the best ways of recording at home, sadly however, we in the Recording Forum are a strange race of lazy and cranky individuals who would rather spend time reading SoundonSound than actually being helpful, so to combat such problems I give you:

Recording Interfaces - A Buyers Guide
Limited by experience and bias

There is an important question to keep in mind whilst reading this thread

"What are you going to be recording and what is your budget?"


If you plan to mic up a drum kit for example there's little use buying a two input interface, just as an FYI this thread wont include microphones, but please, before you post a thread asking about what mic is best, please make a google search, you'd be surprised how easy these things are to find. The second part is pretty obvious, it's hard to spend money you don't have, but it can be worth saving, as with most music equipment you get what you pay for.

THINGS TO AVOID

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This, you don't want this. You may think you want this, other people may tell you that you want this, but they are wrong. You do not want this, this is bad, this makes kittens cry and melts ice cream, I have it on good authority that Hitler used a Jack to Mic input converter to record his guitar.

Some people may claim to get decent results with this, and they may do, but it's really not worth the trouble. You'll have latency issues, noise issues, terrible quality, nothing good will come of it, there have even been reports of this method breaking the mic port on your PC, it simply wasn't designed for it. IF YOU POST ON THIS FORUM ASKING FOR HELP WITH A MIX WHILST USING THIS METHOD YOU WILL NOT GET A RESPONSE. This is not to be cruel or heartless, there is just genuinely nothing we can do in order to make this method sound good. Normally people only get this to work through hard work and luck, neither of which we can teach you.

What's it for?
- Throwing at people you don't like
- Accidentally blowing the mic port on your PC

What's it not for?
- Anything else

.



Why exactly would this http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYpQIkeKQK8XVDaAwq3IIMhO9gs2KKNTn6bLl4NjApbyPqtVj1B7TmwuuzmQ blow my mic input? I do not havy another way of recording... I can wait and buy a decent interface but will it really destroy my mic input or wut?
#84
It might, it might not. Depends on your mic port. And it's normally because that port is for taking crappy VOIP mics and not for taking a direct signal from a proper mic or a guitar.

Some people have it work "fine" where as some fuq up their computer doing it.
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#85
Just wait and buy a real interface or multitracker.

Even if you find a way of getting the mic input to work without breaking your PC, you will be creating the worst possible quality of recording that nobody will want to listen to.
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#86
Quote by ChemicalFire
It might, it might not. Depends on your mic port. And it's normally because that port is for taking crappy VOIP mics and not for taking a direct signal from a proper mic or a guitar.

Some people have it work "fine" where as some fuq up their computer doing it.


so if I used
Behringer - GUITAR LINK UCG102

would I be able to record my guitar playing with MY amp onto my computer? I don't want my guitar to sound through some DAW's EQ. So could I connect my guitar to my amp, and get whatever sounds I make onto the DAW
? Thx
#87
Not with a Guitar Link.

If you wanted to use your amp you'd need a Interface with a XLR in for the microphone and a microphone to mic the amp.

If you're plugging directly into the interface you're normally stuck with using Amp Sim VST's unless you do some trickery with a dummy load box, which I've done in the past with varying results.
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#88
Quote by ChemicalFire
Not with a Guitar Link.

If you wanted to use your amp you'd need a Interface with a XLR in for the microphone and a microphone to mic the amp.

If you're plugging directly into the interface you're normally stuck with using Amp Sim VST's unless you do some trickery with a dummy load box, which I've done in the past with varying results.


I see... so interfaces with XLR are going to be more expensive than Guitar Links for example... and I'd have to get a mic too
I'll have to keep saving up!
#89
So, best 8 ch. interface under a grand? Taking a look at Steinberger MR816 CSX and Focusrite Liquid Saffire (or Saffire Pro 40). Any other recommendations?

MOTU's 896 MkIII?

We will be using Logic, if that helps.

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#90
I'll post this again here, just for the record, for anyone else researching this thread.

My goal about two years ago was to find "the best 8 channel (or more) interface for under a grand."

After a TON of research, I bought the Steinberg MR816X. These have since been replaced by the UR824, which also meant a move from Firewire to USB2.

The preamps are the same ones that Yamaha uses in their $40 000 mixers. They're outstanding. Very, very clear, and provide enough gain for some of the more demanding mics. (like an SM7b)

I love it.

Sound on Sound review:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov08/articles/steinbergmr816csx.htm

RecordingReview Review:
http://forum.recordingreview.com/content/yamaha-steinberg-mr816-csx-review-67/


Forum discussion:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/406064-focusrite-liquid-saffire-56-vs-steinberg-mr816-x-itb-mix-mastering-studio.html

For me, the difference between it and what I had before (a Delta 1010 being fed by a Behringer UB2442FX-PRO mixer) is that before I *really* needed to work a good mix. Now, stuff gets recorded so well that stuff practically mixes itself.

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Last edited by axemanchris at Oct 11, 2012,
#91
Well, I've got a Saffire Pro 40 showing up tomorrow so I'll let you know how that is, a lot of people love the Saffire line and its considered one of the best budget interfaces you can get. Plus, if you check eBay, you can get them new for $370, used for less.

I'm personally looking into the MOTU 896 for when I get some extra cash. MOTU has solid pres and great AD conversion & records in 192khz. Also, the new ones are Hybrid USB/Firewire which is a huge plus since most new Windows laptops don't have Firewire.

The Liquid Saffires are pretty solid as well. The Preamp Emulation on it is pretty spot on from what I read though I wish they would have stretched them across all 8 pres.

I know Chris wrote a pretty solid writeup on the Steinberg but I really have the feeling that to get the most out of it, you'd also need to use Cubase. I wouldn't doubt its good, I just personally hate Cubase so I'm not going near it.
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#92
But maybe without using Cubase it'll still be a good option, don't you think? Any thoughts?

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#93
I've got the Pro 40 and I love it. The pres sound great, and all of the routing options are great for separate mixes and such. Very versatile.
#94
I looked into getting an MR816X for quite a while and while I have no doubt the pres and A/D conversion are better than the Focusrite (though, I wouldn't say it's as huge as people make it out to be), driver issues and D/A conversion were a concern to me, and in the end, I decided that it wouldn't have been a significant enough upgrade over my Saffire. As someone who doesn't own a decent interface already, though - It might be worth going with. I just wouldn't have seen a large enough increase in sound quality to really justify spending more

I actually really looked into the new UR series, as they have all the DSP effects the MR816CSX has, at a cheaper price (a REALLY cheap price when I was looking at them), but there were so many horror stories on the drivers that there was no way I was going to sacrifice stability for a slight increase in quality.
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#96
Mine is the firewire one, and I think what happens is that a lot of people have difficulties that they attribute to drivers, but are actually due to their firewire card.

They are *really* picky about wanting firewire cards with Texas Instruments chipsets.

It took me some time to get mine up and going how I wanted it. Another issue is the "not as well documented as it should be" utility on the install disc (found under "extras" or something as I recall) that adjusts the buffer size of the firewire card. This is an additional setting to where you would otherwise additionally set your buffer size and latency. Mine was crackling and dropping out all over the place until I ran that utility and changed the default buffer size from small to medium.

This is probably not as big an issue with USB.

The Cubase integration, as a Cubase user, was really the icing on the cake for me (along with the included Yamaha Rev-X reverb... reverbs can be real processor hogs, so it takes some of the load off your computer and gives you a nice quality reverb). You certainly don't need to use Cubase, though, to have a set of eight really solid pres and really high quality conversion.

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#97
What about the Motu 896?

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#98
Solid Pres, some of the best AD conversion in its price range, great all around unit and very expandable. Like I said, I'm eventually buying one myself, I just had a great deal on a Saffire Pro 40 come my way.

There have been a few issues with windows drivers for the 896 but since you guys are using Logic, you're using a Mac so you're set.
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#99
Quote by FireHawk

EDIT: for Joshua: FireWire and USB are just types of connections at higher inputs FireWire has more bandwidth and will allow less latency. If you are tracking less than or equal to 4 (I have heard 6 on nice systems) inputs at a time it really doesn't matter which you have.

That said the Saffire 6 is best in that price range.


Actually, the REAL difference is that USB uses your processor and Firewire uses its chipset to allow the amount of bandwidth.

BTW, on a very modest i3 laptop, I can record 8 tracks at a time all day long with pretty heavy effects and that's using USB and haven't ran into any issues over the last few years.
#100
I'm curious, what interface are you using, what sample rate & define "Heavy Effects". Like I said, I've heard mixed things with USB once you hit 4+ simultaneous inputs recording at once. Also, with Effects, things like EQ & Compression aren't going to be as heavy of hitters on performance as Reverbs & Modulations effects.
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#101
Quote by Apc3
Actually, the REAL difference is that USB uses your processor and Firewire uses its chipset to allow the amount of bandwidth.

BTW, on a very modest i3 laptop, I can record 8 tracks at a time all day long with pretty heavy effects and that's using USB and haven't ran into any issues over the last few years.


Interesting. With a PCI interface (my old Delta 1010), I could record ten tracks at a time all day long on a low-end Pentium 4 single-core Celeron 1.7Ghz.

Currently, on my outdated dual-core AMD Athlon 64 processor, I can record ten tracks at a time all day long too, with my firewire interface.

But really, all that track count stuff is mostly about drive speed.

Now, you did mention with effects. You record with effects applied from your computer? Why would you do that?

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I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

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#102
So I already have a Tascam us-1800 but I want something small and portable. I just want something to record some acoustic guitar and some vocals and maybe some electric and bass but not much.

I used to have the tascam us-144 but when I plugged it into my Mac book Pro, it wouldn't get any power. So if I got something like the PreSonus AudioBox USB would the same problem arise? If so is there anyway around it?

Also I don't want to spend 200 dollars for this unit.
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#103
The Tascam US-144 should have worked when you plugged in the USB. Did you have the drivers installed? It could have also just been a buggy unit you got.

Though the Audiobox would work, I wouldn't recommend it. It's pretty terrible. It's tough to get a decent quality interface without spending $200. Otherwise, you're just spending money on a cheap, bad interface. If you can, I'd save that and get the Saffire 6.
#104
Quote by chaosmoon
The Tascam US-144 should have worked when you plugged in the USB. Did you have the drivers installed? It could have also just been a buggy unit you got.

Though the Audiobox would work, I wouldn't recommend it. It's pretty terrible. It's tough to get a decent quality interface without spending $200. Otherwise, you're just spending money on a cheap, bad interface. If you can, I'd save that and get the Saffire 6.



I concur - my Sapphire 6 is amazing
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#106
Hi there, currently i have a pod ux1. It is okay for micing one guitar amp, but i cant use more than 1 mic and i never use pod farm. Also when i record direct guitar, pod farm seems to color the sound. Thats why i want a new audio interface with at least 8 inputs. I have been looking at the tascam us2000, is it good? it had usb 2, but can i still record 8 tracks fron it st once without problems? I have pc with usb 3, but i might get a mac in the future that has firewire. Its it possible to make a connection from the firewire in tho the usb in the interface? Is there any other good audio interfaces with 8 ins?
Most of the time i will only use it for 1 mic btw, but i guess its ok.
#107
Since you think you might transition to something with firewire, I'd suggest getting a hybrid interface. I know MOTU makes some, but they are a bit above what the US2000 costs. The Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL will work really well (provided your computer doesn't have only USB 3 ports on Intel's Ivy Bridge chipset - it doesn't play well with those the last time I checked) too, but it's USB2 only. With that being said, however, it has VERY good latency with the latest drivers.
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#108
Quote by Usernames sucks
I have pc with usb 3, but i might get a mac in the future that has firewire.


Desktop or Laptop? If its a desktop, I've got an extra Firewire card I'll sell you for $20 shipped. Cost me $35 when I bought it. Just slap it in any open PCI slot and you're good to go.
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#109
Quote by oneblackened
Since you think you might transition to something with firewire, I'd suggest getting a hybrid interface. I know MOTU makes some, but they are a bit above what the US2000 costs. The Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL will work really well (provided your computer doesn't have only USB 3 ports on Intel's Ivy Bridge chipset - it doesn't play well with those the last time I checked) too, but it's USB2 only. With that being said, however, it has VERY good latency with the latest drivers.

So usb2 would work better with a usb 2 interface than usb3 (i have 2 usb3 and 2 usb2). I have thought about the 1818vsl, but will i get very small latency when recording 8 tracks at once with usb2? Also i have heard that its only beta drivers for mountain lion x(does apple come whit a new operating system every year??)
#110
hey new here. uhhm i was about thinking of buying like the pod hd desktop the bean size is it good for EP? or should i buy this saffire 6 and buy vst softwares like amplitube any advice?
#111
Quote by Usernames sucks
So usb2 would work better with a usb 2 interface than usb3 (i have 2 usb3 and 2 usb2). I have thought about the 1818vsl, but will i get very small latency when recording 8 tracks at once with usb2? Also i have heard that its only beta drivers for mountain lion x(does apple come whit a new operating system every year??)

Well, in theory USB3 ports are backwards compatible. Audio interfaces are very finicky, though, and don't always like to work with USB3. And the drivers, when they work, are low latency.
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#112
So I'm trying to put together a recording set-up to cut some decent demos with my drummer, and I'm having trouble figuring out what I should get to complete it. I bought myself a laptop cause my old computer wouldn't be able to keep up, and I have a couple of mics and a little tube pre-amp and such, but I can't decide on a proper interface for drums and such. I've been looking at some CAD drum mics and a Tascam 1800 for an interface, but I keep hearing about quality issues when it comes to that stuff.

I'm pretty new to recording even amateurishly. I've done some simple stuff on my own before, but never tried recording stuff like this, so I'm a little in the dark about it.
#113
Quote by avengedscreamer
hey new here. uhhm i was about thinking of buying like the pod hd desktop the bean size is it good for EP? or should i buy this saffire 6 and buy vst softwares like amplitube any advice?


I'd go Saffire 6 and free amp sims any day.

So I'm trying to put together a recording set-up to cut some decent demos with my drummer, and I'm having trouble figuring out what I should get to complete it. I bought myself a laptop cause my old computer wouldn't be able to keep up, and I have a couple of mics and a little tube pre-amp and such, but I can't decide on a proper interface for drums and such. I've been looking at some CAD drum mics and a Tascam 1800 for an interface, but I keep hearing about quality issues when it comes to that stuff.

I'm pretty new to recording even amateurishly. I've done some simple stuff on my own before, but never tried recording stuff like this, so I'm a little in the dark about it.


Whats your budget for an interface? The 1800 is alright though if you've got the money, step up to the Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL.
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#114
Well my budget was originally about 1200 for everything, but I've just about eclipsed that already. This computer was 550 with the warranty and such, I got a condenser mic set that was 100, but with shock mount and such costed about 150. I still need several mic cables, mic stands, and then the interface and drum mics. I've extended my budget a bit and am willing to spend about 700 to tie up the loose ends, so I know that pigeonholes me a bit. The important thing is I get this set-up running this month while I actually have time to record and rehearse, so I'm in a bind not having what I need by now.

I was looking at this as a replacement for the Tascam, but I'm not sure about it either yet.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProFX12/
#115
None of the mixers under $600 with USB capabilities are worth the money if you intend to use it for an audio interface and are very deceptive. What the ProFX does it take all the inputs and mixes them down to 2 inputs then sends them to your computer instead of each input individually like an Audio Interface would. So, it may have 12 inputs on there but thats only for the mixer. When it comes to hooking it up to your PC, all you'll get is 2 tracks worth of input. Since you intend to record drums, you're going to want more than 2 tracks.

There are mixers that do send every track individually to your PC, its just you're looking in the $1200+ range for one thats good.
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#116
****, just bought a mixer... Hmm, well I mean is it possible to get a good enough mix from the mixer itself?
#117
Its possible, I've done it on some of my old bands recordings from when I started recording, its just you've got no room to mix in the end. So everything going into the mixer has to be the right level & exactly how you want it to sound. What we did was we tracked all the instruments together then recorded the vocals separate & mixed in my buddies copy of Garageband.

Its not the best method since the results are kinda subpar but if all you need is a quick demo, it gets the job done.

BTW, What part of Washington you from?
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#118
Hmm, well we want demos that sound decent enough. We have a studio we can go to to do master recordings, so I guess it's not the worst set-up to have. Do you think I could do decent enough guitar tracking with a mixer?

And I live over near Tacoma.
#119
Guitar Tracking for sure, since you'd only need 1 input at a time. If you're trying to do drums or anything that requires more than 2 inputs, the cheap USB mixers aren't going to provide enough inputs.

You're like an hour-ish south of me. Though its funny to see more people from the Seattle area in here.
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#120
Heh, so you are. Glad I never have to drive to Seattle from that direction, I hear the traffic is heinous.

Well, the one I got has 4 mic slots, plus two more if I use the line outs, so I could probably track drums okay enough. It also has a guitar in and bass in and such, so I can probably get a decent sound out of it. I haven't gotten to try it yet (need drums mics first), but I do intend to use it to do tracking for a more acoustic based album, so that'll be nice.