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#41
Sure, its offered by my school for students, but the other guys in my group are lazy and never come. That means that I pay approx $2.50 for a half hour of one on one tuition each week. On top of this it also means I get to miss half an hour of either double maths or double biology.

Not to brag, or make you guys jealous or anything...
#43
Quote by Spaztikko

Not to brag, or make you guys jealous or anything...


Bitch, please. I got out of School half an hour a week for guitar lessons and didn't have to pay shit.

Not to mention some days I also had double music and a free period, all of which I spent playing guitar. And PE/RSE, I just played guitar instead of doing that for my final couple years because the schedules were ****ed up.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
Last edited by Hydra150 at Jul 21, 2012,
#44
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
I decided not to get Tom Hess' lessons.

Yeah I get that if I don't know beginner stuff like chords, that would still make me a beginner but to be honest you know... being self taught, it sucks... because in the beginning I didn't have a clue of what I was supposed to learn so I never learned anything, no one told me what to learn or what order to learn stuff in.

I made a thread a couple months ago asking for help on the subject of chords, how you use them in a song, when to use them and how to understand them, I read some of the content people posted, especially this one 12 part article called "The Crusade" that someone linked, but the two articles or so that had talked about chords weren't really a beginner's guide to chords and it didn't really help, also not knowing fret notes doesn't help me out either.

Also Justin guitar is still learning on my own, I'm done learning on my own, I need lessons for a person. No time though, which is why I'm looking for online lessons.

Can you get one on one lessons from Jam Play?


Not to sound like a dick, but with the internet, you don't really have an excuse! I would've given my left nut to have all the info that's on the internet back when I was first starting to learn guitar, with no internet, no guitar teachers in my little town, nobody else that I even knew that really played guitar. About the best I could hope for was an occasional guitar magazine at the local 7/11, and that's it. And that was back when a lot of guitarists were still very secretive and protective of their licks and techniques. Now you can find any damn thing on the 'net...songs, tabs, techniques, licks, etc. Guitarists nowadays have it made.
#45
Quote by gypsyblues7373
Not to sound like a dick, but with the internet, you don't really have an excuse!.



I've heard this a million times. The Internet has all the information in the world sure, but it doesn't tell me where to start, in what order, it doesn't tell me what information is not necessary to learn at the moment. I need communication with a person, that will teach me as if I have never touched guitar before. But now I know.... learning the notes on the fret board is the first thing to do... but wait a minute didn't I just say the Internet will not tell me where to start and in what order?

Yes I did, but I had to ask people in a forum a.k.a direct communication, whereas the Internet we're talking about is... googling results for guitar information which will not give me direct replies, therefore I will be mislead and confused. You don't think I've searched the lessons on this site before? I have, and I have yet to find one lesson where it truly explains chords, how they are used in music, why are they important, etc.
#46
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
I've heard this a million times. The Internet has all the information in the world sure, but it doesn't tell me where to start, in what order, it doesn't tell me what information is not necessary to learn at the moment. I need communication with a person, that will teach me as if I have never touched guitar before. But now I know.... learning the notes on the fret board is the first thing to do... but wait a minute didn't I just say the Internet will not tell me where to start and in what order?

Yes I did, but I had to ask people in a forum a.k.a direct communication, whereas the Internet we're talking about is... googling results for guitar information which will not give me direct replies, therefore I will be mislead and confused. You don't think I've searched the lessons on this site before? I have, and I have yet to find one lesson where it truly explains chords, how they are used in music, why are they important, etc.


Youtube then. If looking at lines and numbers is confusing, there's hundreds of videos on Youtube containing exactly what you're looking for. Then there are free sites (like Justin Sandercoe's) that have tons of information. If that doesn't float your boat (and you were already thinking about paying for lessons anyway), there's always sites like Guitar Tricks and Truefire. And I don't know how you've been searching this site, but there IS tons of stuff that has exactly the info you're looking for:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/beginner_lesson_i_the_basics.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/start_me_up_from_beginner_to_rocker_in_just_one_lesson.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/the_beginner_slightly-better-than-beginner_transition.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/fretboard_basics_fretboard_101.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/tackling_strumming_as_a_beginner_guitarist_part_1.html
#48
Or get the "For Dummies" book, I'm sure it teaches every little thing all the way from the most basic stuff up to probably intermediate, or maybe beyond. If there's any "pro" book I would recommend, it's probably Troy Stetina's "Fretboard Mastery". It doesn't go terribly in-depth on specific techniques (tapping, sweeping, etc), but it's astoundingly thorough in that it covers a wide variety of techniques, types of licks, chords, and even has a good deal of theory and ear/interval training, which a lot of books don't.
#49
Actually, by then you should be buying magazines and downloading other material to expand your songbase and knowledge of different genres.


I wish I could.
#50
Quote by gypsyblues7373
Youtube then. If looking at lines and numbers is confusing, there's hundreds of videos on Youtube containing exactly what you're looking for. Then there are free sites (like Justin Sandercoe's) that have tons of information. If that doesn't float your boat (and you were already thinking about paying for lessons anyway), there's always sites like Guitar Tricks and Truefire. And I don't know how you've been searching this site, but there IS tons of stuff that has exactly the info you're looking for:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/beginner_lesson_i_the_basics.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/start_me_up_from_beginner_to_rocker_in_just_one_lesson.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/the_beginner_slightly-better-than-beginner_transition.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/fretboard_basics_fretboard_101.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/for_beginners/tackling_strumming_as_a_beginner_guitarist_part_1.html


Been on YouTube numerous times before and just like I said before none of the links you posted or any videos that I've seen on YouTube thus far, explain why or when I should be using them. All the information on chords that I see in every video or lesson(just like the ones you posted) are them trying to teach people several different chords, chord shapes, whatever, even if it is just them teaching basic chords.

IT DOES NOT HELP ME. It's not helping me understand why I have to use it, when am I ever going to use this boring garbage shape? When am I ever going to just randomly pull out a C chord? The only chords I use are power chords, and that's because they sound good in the type of music I play and are simple as f***.
#51
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
Been on YouTube numerous times before and just like I said before none of the links you posted or any videos that I've seen on YouTube thus far, explain why or when I should be using them. All the information on chords that I see in every video or lesson(just like the ones you posted) are them trying to teach people several different chords, chord shapes, whatever, even if it is just them teaching basic chords.

IT DOES NOT HELP ME. It's not helping me understand why I have to use it, when am I ever going to use this boring garbage shape? When am I ever going to just randomly pull out a C chord? The only chords I use are power chords, and that's because they sound good in the type of music I play and are simple as f***.


Because songs are made of chords, that's why you need them. Stick with power chords all you want, but it's just going to limit you (and you're gonna smack yourself if you ever get around to arpeggios!).
#52
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
Been on YouTube numerous times before and just like I said before none of the links you posted or any videos that I've seen on YouTube thus far, explain why or when I should be using them. All the information on chords that I see in every video or lesson(just like the ones you posted) are them trying to teach people several different chords, chord shapes, whatever, even if it is just them teaching basic chords.

IT DOES NOT HELP ME. It's not helping me understand why I have to use it, when am I ever going to use this boring garbage shape? When am I ever going to just randomly pull out a C chord? The only chords I use are power chords, and that's because they sound good in the type of music I play and are simple as f***.


Open chords can sound great mixed with power chords.

Besides, if you really want to learn theory, you're going to have to accept that it involves more than just power chords, or you won't get it.
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#53
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
IT DOES NOT HELP ME. It's not helping me understand why I have to use it, when am I ever going to use this boring garbage shape? When am I ever going to just randomly pull out a C chord? The only chords I use are power chords, and that's because they sound good in the type of music I play and are simple as f***.


K. Obviously you're happy, so it gives me more reason to not help you. Bolded the parts which made me lol/realised at this point in time you really don't want to learn anything about theory or basic song structure and chord construction.
#54
You want to know when to use them? When it sounds good.


No seriously.
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#56
Quote by gypsyblues7373
Because songs are made of chords, that's why you need them. Stick with power chords all you want, but it's just going to limit you (and you're gonna smack yourself if you ever get around to arpeggios!).


So all songs go from chord to chord?


Quote by Spaztikko
TS, do you like Steve Vai by any chance?

I'm assuming TS is topic starter, other forums I go on say OP, original poster, anyways... yes I like Steve Vai, I know all these great musicians know and use chords, specially Vai's stuff, but chords seem like calm and upbeat things to use which works in Vai's case... but I just cant imagine them being used in Death Metal, if so I've probably heard them a bunch of times then without realizing it.

Quote by vampirelazarus
You want to know when to use them? When it sounds good.


No seriously.


But why do I have to? I could just play something else that isn't a chord that could sound better.
Last edited by Who Sh0t Ya HxO at Jul 23, 2012,
#57
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
So all songs go from chord to chord?

Pretty much. Everything you play has an implied chord underneath it, and everything you play is just an extension of that chord. If you're in C major, and someone's strumming G major, and you hit an F note, you're implying a G dominant 7th chord. Then your buddy could play a C major chord, and you could play a quick F#, which would be a nice tritone with the root, I know you death metal guys love those, and then a G, then descend down the chord to the root for a nice resolution. See how this works?

With power chords there's even more room for implication, as power chords have no third note to define their tonality.
Last edited by TheHydra at Jul 23, 2012,
#58
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
So all songs go from chord to chord?


Pretty much, yep. Although most songs/riffs tend to mix chords with low-string single-note stuff, or in a lot of clean riffs, they're picked as arpeggios.

Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
I'm assuming TS is topic starter, other forums I go on say OP, original poster, anyways... yes I like Steve Vai, I know all these great musicians know and use chords, specially Vai's stuff, but chords seem like calm and upbeat things to use which works in Vai's case... but I just cant imagine them being used in Death Metal, if so I've probably heard them a bunch of times then without realizing it.


Chords aren't necessarily always "calm and upbeat"...they just usually are in Vai's case because that's just the way the guy writes music. Chords can be happy, sad, or pissed-off sounding, just depending on which ones you use, and how you arrange them. I don't know hardly any death metal to give an example, but I'm sure there's songs with open chords amidst the power-chord riffing, too. A good example would be something like if a song were quiet, maybe eerie, building up to a point in the song when everyone "kicks in", and then the guitarist hits a big open G5 or sustained chord with gobs of distortion to make the guitar sound huge at that point.
#59
Quote by TheHydra
Pretty much. Everything you play has an implied chord underneath it, and everything you play is just an extension of that chord. If you're in C major, and someone's strumming G major, and you hit an F note, you're implying a G dominant 7th chord. Then your buddy could play a C major chord, and you could play a quick F#, which would be a nice tritone with the root, I know you death metal guys love those, and then a G, then descend down the chord to the root for a nice resolution. See how this works?

With power chords there's even more room for implication, as power chords have no third note to define their tonality.


I didn't put chords in my songs, yet they somehow became songs, and no I don't see how this works as I have no clue to what you just said. Sorry for being an ass, chords frustrate the s*** out of me.
#60
Quote by gypsyblues7373
Chords can be pissed-off sounding


Actually I agree, I'm really intrigued with the sound that the... D minor chord? I think it is, sound that it gives off... sort of like an evil black metal sound.
#61
Post us a link to a that you like. Preferably not death metal, but just because I hate that shit, not because it doesn't have any harmony to analyse.
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
Actually I agree, I'm really intrigued with the sound that the... D minor chord? I think it is, sound that it gives off... sort of like an evil black metal sound.

Nah man, Dm is sad.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
Last edited by Hydra150 at Jul 23, 2012,
#62
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
Actually I agree, I'm really intrigued with the sound that the... D minor chord? I think it is, sound that it gives off... sort of like an evil black metal sound.

You've got it all wrong, D minor is the saddest of all chords, not the most evil.

Edit: whoa.
#63
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
Actually I agree, I'm really intrigued with the sound that the... D minor chord? I think it is, sound that it gives off... sort of like an evil black metal sound.


If you like that, try the E minor chord...very easy to play, gives that same kind of tonality, but with more strings, more bass/low-end, more crunch (with distortion, of course).
#64
^If you are simply directing him to another minor chord using lower notes, bear in mind that he is a metal player so D could be the lowest.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#65
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
I'm assuming TS is topic starter, other forums I go on say OP, original poster, anyways... yes I like Steve Vai, I know all these great musicians know and use chords, specially Vai's stuff, but chords seem like calm and upbeat things to use which works in Vai's case... but I just cant imagine them being used in Death Metal, if so I've probably heard them a bunch of times then without realizing it.

Chords are one of the basic building blocks of music, so you're going to run across them in anything you encounter. If chords are "frustrating the shit out of you", can you explain why? Maybe I missed it, I only gave this a quick read.

If you get some fundamentals of chords and harmony down, you'll be able to see how it's applicable to not only death metal, but any other genre under the sun.
#66
Quote by Hydra150
^If you are simply directing him to another minor chord using lower notes, bear in mind that he is a metal player so D could be the lowest.


I'm just thinking of the standard open-string D minor vs. the open-string E minor. D minor might be lower musically, but that E minor is going to sound heavier and ballsier because of the bass strings.
#67
What I meant was, he is probably dropped or downtuned, so the names and shapes could be different.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#68
Quote by Hydra150
What I meant was, he is probably dropped or downtuned, so the names and shapes could be different.


Ummm...but he doesn't know basic chords. I'm not trying to make shit even more confusing Besides, learning all the basic chords should come before alternate voicings.
#69
You do understand that a chord is simply a grouping of notes?

And so powerchords are chords, but with more notes?

You just play a note and the Perfect Fifth interval at the same time.

You play chords.
#70
Quote by Spaztikko
And so powerchords are chords, but with more notes?

Power chords aren't technically chords, and what do they have more notes than?
#71
Quote by TheHydra
You've got it all wrong, D minor is the saddest of all chords, not the most evil.

Edit: whoa.


Okay I'll specifically tell you what I'm talking about in standard tuning. It's a D minor shape, I don't play the D string however, but you take the D minor shape with your fingers up a whole step and sounds like it goes well in the key of E(different voicing??). Anyways I strum the first three strings and it just strum that shape up and down the fret board to where I can here the evil sound that it can make.

Quote by :-D
Chords are one of the basic building blocks of music, so you're going to run across them in anything you encounter. If chords are "frustrating the shit out of you", can you explain why? Maybe I missed it, I only gave this a quick read.

If you get some fundamentals of chords and harmony down, you'll be able to see how it's applicable to not only death metal, but any other genre under the sun.


It's all these babbly terms that I have to remember(diminished, augmented, sus, and WAY too many more) which is why I was never really good at math, not only was it confusing like chords, but there all these terms and steps you have to remember to solve a problem. I guess I just gave up on trying to understand chords and have to accept that I HAVE to learn chord shapes and use them randomly throughout my songs even though I don't understand why or if it would be a right time to use a chord. I personally prefer single notes, nobody wants to hear a strummed chord after strummed chord.

Oh yeah which makes me think of a few questions... how does chords help me create better riffs, riffs with single notes, or how does it help me create better single note playing? What is the relation with chords and single notes... as in how do people know which notes to play in a certain chord that is being played at the time?

Quote by Hydra150
Post us a link to a that you like. Preferably not death metal, but just because I hate that shit, not because it doesn't have any harmony to analyse.


Alright, how about power metal, this should be rather... 'difficult' to analyze, seeing how they pretty much only use power chords and single note playing.

Favorite band... Iced Earth - Desert Rain
Last edited by Who Sh0t Ya HxO at Jul 23, 2012,
#72
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
Okay I'll specifically tell you what I'm talking about in standard tuning. It's a D minor shape, I don't play the D string however, but you take the D minor shape with your fingers up a whole step and sounds like it goes well in the key of E(different voicing??). Anyways I strum the first three strings and it just strum that shape up and down the fret board to where I can here the evil sound that it can make.

It's all these babbly terms that I have to remember(diminished, augmented, sus, and WAY too many more) which is why I was never really good at math, not only was it confusing like chords, but there all these terms and steps you have to remember to solve a problem. I guess I just gave up on trying to understand chords and have to accept that I HAVE to learn chord shapes and use them randomly throughout my songs even though I don't understand why or if it would be a right time to use a chord. I personally prefer single notes, nobody wants to hear a strummed chord after strummed chord.

Oh yeah which makes me think of a few questions... how does chords help me create better riffs, riffs with single notes, or how does it help me create better single note playing? What is the relation with chords and single notes... as in how do people know which notes to play in a certain chord that is being played at the time?


Yeah when you move that D Minor shape up a whole step, you have an Em Triad. Just like the A B C's D comes after C and E follows D. Again, you know your ABC's? You can learn music and chords, if its all explained to you well, and in such a way that doesn't throw a lot of unneccesary details, in the earnestness of being thorough, as opposed to pacing those things.

Chords can help with all of those because - let's look at it simply:

What makes a lead sound good with a chord progression?

Answer: Same notes in the lead that gel well with the exact same notes in the chord (This is a simplistic beginning point, but an important one)

So, knowing chords can help a lot with leads.

Example:You have a Bm and because (lets say for discussion sakes you're my student and I've taught you how to know the notes every single chord there is) you know that theres a D in that chord/triad, your lead may resolve to a note of D the exact second the chord changes to Bm. Maybe you might then play another note from that triad, or a major 3rd (D#) to the minor 3rd...Now you're playing with chords and finding melody - granted this isnt stuff you'll understand on the first day, but you build a foundation of abilities and skill sets that allow you to accomplish this.

Best,

Sean

PS - By the way did you get my catalog I emailed you over the weekend?
#73
Try this as an exercise, nothing too in depth.

First get a piece of paper and draw a fretboard on it with strings.

Use this site as a reference and pick a key, any key will do but Em is a good one to start with seeing as we've been talking about it.

http://www.guitar-chords.org.uk/chords-key-e-minor.html

You'll see that each key has 7 chords, find out how to play them. Don't worry about the notes even at this stage, just do some research and find the shapes. Now there'll be lots of different ways to play them, you can look in books, magazines, google them or ideally use an chord reference app like the UG one or Guitar Toolkit. Find a few examples of each chord in different parts of the fretboard and draw them on your fretboard diagram as dots, don't worry about overlaps, if a note is already marked just fill in the missing ones. Try and fill in up to the 12th fret. This may sound tedious but a big part of understanding and absorbing knoweldge is going out and finding it yourself.

Next, find the diagram for the corresponding scale, E minor in case you'd forgotten...again usual way, google, books. apps etc.

Then, in a different colour start marking out the notes of that scale on the same fretboard diagram.

Do that, then report back and tell us what you discover - trust me, I know this sounds dangerously like schoolwork but you'll get a hell of a lot of benefit out of this relatively simple exercise.
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#74
TS, do you happen to have any gp5 files of stuff you've written? I would like to use your own material to teach you. I think that your ear knows all this stuff, but you don't have a clue. And that's perfectly fine, but you want to learn, and that makes this easy for us.

If you don't have any of your stuff written down (seriously, you could even just link to a picture from a notebook if you had to), then can you give an example of a song you like?
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#75
^He did link to a song in his last post. The chords in it seem fairly clear (particularly in the second half)apart from the metallica-esque chord-riffs, typical power metal stuff I geuss. I like the Mario music rip-off half way through it.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
Last edited by Hydra150 at Jul 23, 2012,
#76
O H I C I T N A O W

I'll give it a go when I'm not busy.
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#77
Quote by :-D
Power chords aren't technically chords, and what do they have more notes than?


i'm absolutely shocked (and a little disappointed) that the thread didn't turn into an uproar concerning the validity of dyads as actual chords
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#78
Sssh, dont bring attention to that comment, I think we got away with it.
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
#79
The whole 'a power chord isn't a chord' argument is pointless as harmony will be implied through melody/other instruments.
#80
^It's not really an argument, I'm just pointing out that a power chord is not a chord by itself.
Quote by Who Sh0t Ya HxO
It's all these babbly terms that I have to remember(diminished, augmented, sus, and WAY too many more) which is why I was never really good at math, not only was it confusing like chords, but there all these terms and steps you have to remember to solve a problem. I guess I just gave up on trying to understand chords and have to accept that I HAVE to learn chord shapes and use them randomly throughout my songs even though I don't understand why or if it would be a right time to use a chord. I personally prefer single notes, nobody wants to hear a strummed chord after strummed chord.

I'm terrible at math too, and I have no problem with any of the above information. From an honest standpoint, you have to stop making excuses as to why you "can't" go learn any of this or why you just have to "accept that you can't learn it" and begin learning. There are plenty of resources on chords both online and in print, and you need to begin doing some work on your own to begin understanding how they function. There are articles on this site that can begin explaining chords and harmony to you as well.

There's really no reason you can't learn this stuff, but it seems to me that you're completely in your own way at the moment. Plenty of people will be happy to help you along, but again you need to stop coming up with reasons as to why this is impossible and just take the first step toward learning.
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Oh yeah which makes me think of a few questions... how does chords help me create better riffs, riffs with single notes, or how does it help me create better single note playing? What is the relation with chords and single notes... as in how do people know which notes to play in a certain chord that is being played at the time?

Simple answer is that chords = harmony and harmony is present in pretty much anything you'll ever hear, regardless of whether it has parts comprised of individual notes or chords. Learning how chords are constructed and work together gives you one of the fundamental tools toward understanding how music functions, and when you're trying to come up with something on your own, it won't be a process of guess and check; you'll know exactly how to get the sound you're looking for.
Last edited by :-D at Jul 23, 2012,