#1
So, over two years have passed since I bought my current guitar, my taste in music has expanded and my Epi Les paul just isn't cutting it any more. So I've been thinking of getting a HSS strat/superstrat. I've tried searching for one within my price range, looking at the usuals, ESP, Ibanez etc but all I could find were HH or HSH pickup configs. I would go for the G&L invader tribute, but there aren't many G&L guitars here, and the invader tribute is quite rare in the USA. Anyway, here we go...

Budget: £600-£700

Pickups and Preferences: Passives. HSS configuration, able to coil split the humbucker. As for the neck profile, I don't mind. The thickest it can be is as thick as my Epi Les Paul Standard (which I believe has the "60's" neck). 22 frets.

Body: Nothing too over the top and pointy like some ibanez'. If anything I'd like the shape to be something that resembles a strat without a pick guard like THIS or THIS. Looking for a hard tail/no trem.

I don't mind going used if it's a steal

Location: London, but I'm happy to order online if the company is within the UK.

Thanks for your help
Gear:
Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Godin Velocity
Peavey Vypyr 15 Watt
AMT WH1 Japanese Girl Wah
Marshall BB-2 Boost/OD
Joyo JF-07 Classic Flanger
Joyo JF-37 Analog Chorus
Last edited by BlueIceBox at Aug 16, 2012,
#2
I know your budget is £600 - £700, but i would just like to inform you that you can get a brand spanking new American Fender Strat with exactly the configurations you want! If just you were willing to save up something like £250 more. So instead of getting something half good now (not saying that you can't find a good guitar for £700), then why don't you wait some time and get something you KNOW will be great? Of course go and try the guitar first, but since you live in London i can't see how that is an issue

Just a suggestion, but i thought you should at least know about the possibility


Or else you could just get the Mexican made one. Maybe not as great as the American made ones, but good guitars none the less
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#4
the hardtail/no trem thing might complicate things. it's not too hard to get HSS but most superstrats have a trem of some description.

there's probably something really obvious i'm missing, but i can't think of anything offhand at the moment which is HSS with no trem.

EDIT: ^ godin's a good call.
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#5
Oh, ok then. If that's the case then it will have to have a trem
Gear:
Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Godin Velocity
Peavey Vypyr 15 Watt
AMT WH1 Japanese Girl Wah
Marshall BB-2 Boost/OD
Joyo JF-07 Classic Flanger
Joyo JF-37 Analog Chorus
#6
But even most of their Superstrats are not hardtails.

The closest I can find that is is actually through their subsidiary, Richmond, and that looks like they crossed a Superstrat with a SG.

http://www.richmondguitarscanada.com/belmont.html
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#7
You might also check out thë Fernandes Revolver (here, the only hardtails have EMGs)

http://fernandesguitars.com/revolver.html
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#8
The Carvin DC135 would seem to be right up your alley- it has a variety of 3 pickup combinations available...without a tremolo! They start around $750, but I don't know what kind of import taxes you'd get nailed by.

http://www.carvinguitars.com/customshop/neckthrough.php
http://www.carvinguitars.com/catalog/guitars/dc135
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#9
Hmm yes that carvin does tick most of the boxes, although most likely I wouldn't be able to try before I buy as most of the UK dealers don't have them in stock and they would have to order one for me I'll have a look around to see if any other uk dealers have them...
Gear:
Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Godin Velocity
Peavey Vypyr 15 Watt
AMT WH1 Japanese Girl Wah
Marshall BB-2 Boost/OD
Joyo JF-07 Classic Flanger
Joyo JF-37 Analog Chorus
#10
Unless you live in San Diego, Carvin is strictly an online retailer.

But don't let that scare you away- they are pretty damn well built guitars. About the only knock on them I have ever heard is that some people don't like their pickups...but that's a cheap fix.
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Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Aug 16, 2012,
#11
Don't buy unless you can try. Honestly. I bought a MIA Strat and I've had no end of troubles. I've had it in the shop for 2 out of the 6 weeks I've had it. All because I didn't bother to spend enough time with it and just trusted the brand.

It's getting sorted now, but you could get unlucky and that can get ridiculous if you buy it from somewhere that isn't close to you.

Save up for a MIA, play them in your local shop, find one you like, get humbuckers in it, split them. Job done!
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#12
^ I appreciate that but the two big problems with that logic are 1) you still might miss something even if you try it first and 2) if you don't try first, you're covered by distance-selling regulations inside the EU (as long as it's not custom-made), so if anything is wrong you send it back for a full refund.

Don't get me worng, it's your money and your choice, but it's not just as simple as, "you're daft if you don't try first". maybe you aren't in an area with any decent guitar shops. Plus as i said, there are much better consumer protection laws if you actually *haven't* tried the thing first. You can get a full refund (minus postage) if you merely don't like the thing, even if there's nothing wrong with it. If you've tried it first, you are only entitled to a refund if the thing is faulty.

Quote by BlueIceBox
Oh, ok then. If that's the case then it will have to have a trem


I wouldn't say you definitely couldn't get one. I'm probably forgetting something really obvious. But it will narrow down your options.

Quote by dannyalcatraz
Unless you live in San Diego, Carvin is strictly an online retailer.

But don't let that scare you away- they are pretty damn well built guitars. About the only knock on them I have ever heard is that some people don't like their pickups...but that's a cheap fix.


UK prices on carvins are crazy, though. they're good value (i assume, i haven't tried them) in the USA, but they're just as dear as, maybe dearer than, any other custom shop in the UK. Not getting one or £700, then, as far as im aware.
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#13
Buying without trying is OK as long as you're dealing with reputable businesses with decent return policies.
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#14
in the EU by law you are.

Now... granted it's a lot easier if you know the store will do the decent thing and not fight you all the way, so I'd still advise buying from a store which you know will honour distance-selling regulations without a fuss. But you're not dependent on the store's beneficence inside the EU, by law they have to let you return it if you haven't tried it first (and, as i said, it wasn't a custom order or something).

EDIT: but yeah i agree, if they'll take it back without a fuss then buying online is absolutely fine. Maybe all the people who recommend not buying online live in areas with killer guitar shops, and that's fair enough, but a lot of people (including me) don't live in such an area. As such, I've always had much more success in buying something which i suspect i want, based on online research (and also having tried a fair few guitars, amps and pedals so i'm not completely in the dark) than buying something I can try but which i'm pretty ambivalent towards. I'm not sure buying something which you can try, but which trying has told you you don't want, is particularly sensible either
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#15
Quote by Dave_Mc
^ I appreciate that but the two big problems with that logic are 1) you still might miss something even if you try it first and 2) if you don't try first, you're covered by distance-selling regulations inside the EU (as long as it's not custom-made), so if anything is wrong you send it back for a full refund.

Don't get me worng, it's your money and your choice, but it's not just as simple as, "you're daft if you don't try first". maybe you aren't in an area with any decent guitar shops. Plus as i said, there are much better consumer protection laws if you actually *haven't* tried the thing first. You can get a full refund (minus postage) if you merely don't like the thing, even if there's nothing wrong with it. If you've tried it first, you are only entitled to a refund if the thing is faulty.


He lives in London. THere's a whole street dedicated to guitar shops here in London

If he lived in the valleys in Wales, I might say yea, go for it. But if you can try them do it. You might miss something in the shop, as I did, but if you have a decent shop they'll always try to help you, as mine is.

Of course, speak to them about returning it if you don't like it. If they say no, tell them you'll go somewhere else.

I know the long distance selling regulations, and it's good, but you still have to pay to return it, and that could be costly.

it's always better to play before you pay
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#16
UK prices on carvins are crazy, though. they're good value (i assume, i haven't tried them) in the USA, but they're just as dear as, maybe dearer than, any other custom shop in the UK. Not getting one or £700, then, as far as im aware.


That's a shame.
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#18
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(a) He lives in London. THere's a whole street dedicated to guitar shops here in London

If he lived in the valleys in Wales, I might say yea, go for it. But if you can try them do it. You might miss something in the shop, as I did, (b) but if you have a decent shop they'll always try to help you, as mine is.

(c) Of course, speak to them about returning it if you don't like it. If they say no, tell them you'll go somewhere else.

(d) I know the long distance selling regulations, and it's good, but you still have to pay to return it, and that could be costly.

(e) it's always better to play before you pay


(a) yeah, a whole street notoriously full of overpriced gear (and where a lot of the assistants/salespeople are dicks)

(b) again, "decent shop" and "denmark street" might be mutually exclusive

(granted, there's a couple of alright ones, but they're still plagued by those high prices)

(c) that's all well and good but they can just deny ever saying it. I don't believe in relying on the beneficence of businesses if i can help it, i'd rather rely on the law.

(d) you shouldn't have to pay to return it if it's faulty. Granted, you probably will if you merely don't like it- but considering petrol costs and cark park charges (or rail fares), it's debatable if postage charges would be any more expensive than all of that.

(e) of course.

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That's a shame.


yeah
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#19
The shops in Denmark street are either full of very expensive 'vintage' guitars, or overpriced guitars. There are a few *decent* shops around Greater London but that's about it
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Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Godin Velocity
Peavey Vypyr 15 Watt
AMT WH1 Japanese Girl Wah
Marshall BB-2 Boost/OD
Joyo JF-07 Classic Flanger
Joyo JF-37 Analog Chorus
#20
*Shameless bump*

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Some used jackson Dinky could work too


I've had a look into the dinky series and all I could find were HH ones on their website. Mind you the San Dimas model ticks all boxes for me but it's over £1000

I did find this HSS dinky on another website though, I wonder if it's been discontinued... Anyway here it is. While it's way under my budget I thought I'd use it as an example for my next question. Would a "metal" superstrat like the one I linked be able to pull of that "strat" tone? I've seen videos of regular HSS strats and they seem to be able to pull off that strat twang or quack, but I'm wondering if a metal superstrat like the dinky above would also be able to pull that sound off?
Gear:
Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Godin Velocity
Peavey Vypyr 15 Watt
AMT WH1 Japanese Girl Wah
Marshall BB-2 Boost/OD
Joyo JF-07 Classic Flanger
Joyo JF-37 Analog Chorus
#21
^ that's been discontinued because the japanese factory shut. Nice guitars, though ideally i'd want to swap the trem for an OFR.

from what i remember from trying it (it was ages ago), i didn't much like its strat tones- i'm not sure if i disliked the duncan stacked "single coils" (I've only tried them in that guitar), or if the 24 frets and floyd weren't helping matters. But yeah I'd say you can get a sort of approximation of a strat tone, but if you're used to a proper strat tone, you might be a little disappointed. Still, everything's a compromise so that might be a compromise you're willing to make.
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#22
I recently bought an LTD strat with hss and a floyd. For a low-mid priced guitar, it's great. It's unbelievable how that floyd stays in tune (its not even an original floyd, but a floyd 'special', whatever that means). Even the floyd on my old Jackson DKMG didn't keep in tune like this one.
#23
I don't know about the pickup configurations, but most models of Jacksons are available with either a trem or no trem.
#24
*Bump*

Thought I may aswell use this thread since this post it is still related to my OP.

I think I have finally found the Strat to end my search. It's a Fender American Special HSS, which I believe is an entry level USA made Fender:
http://www.dv247.com/guitars/fender-american-special-stratocaster-hss-electric-guitar-black--70609

I've listened to sound clips and it ticks all the boxes, classic style, modern features, decent HB. The only thing I am not so sure about is the 9.5 inch fretboard radius. I've only ever played guitars with a 12 inch fretboard radius, and I'm only just starting to develop the skill needed to play genres with faster rhythm and leads (some thrash and 80's metal, all that junk). I've read all over the forums that 12 inch and above are best for that type of playing, but is it really neccessary? It is just something that people ramble on about even though it's not that much of a big deal (like the active pickups argiment)? Will the 9.5 inch radius on this guitar be fine for that style of playing? I just want something that has a good compromise between playing chords and fast solos up the neck.


Sorry about the wall of text, I'm probably just overlooking things
Gear:
Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Godin Velocity
Peavey Vypyr 15 Watt
AMT WH1 Japanese Girl Wah
Marshall BB-2 Boost/OD
Joyo JF-07 Classic Flanger
Joyo JF-37 Analog Chorus
#25
^ it's one of those things that really just depends on what you're like and what you're used to. 9.5" is normally sufficient to prevent fretting out, but (IMO) it still feels fairly curved like 7.25". I find it easier to do the flashy stuff on flatter 'boards. Whether you will, though
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#26
If I were you, I'd go with a Fender, but Godin has unbelievable quality as well.
#27
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If I were you, I'd go with a Fender, but Godin has unbelievable quality as well.


I think I might as well, I've found a UK seller that sells their guitars. The Godin Session looks pretty good, and it's £300 cheaper http://www.gak.co.uk/en/godin-session-Blackburst-Semi-Gloss-Rosewood-Neck/42620

Thoughts? I think I prefer this one over the Fender as it has a flatter neck, so it's a safe purchase in that area. The Godin Session Plus looks like a better guitar, but I can't find a UK seller, so I might wait another couple of months to see if any shops begin to stock them. If not, I think I might go with the regular Session. So far, this is the one that ticks ALL boxes

The only thing I'm concerned about is the price. Is it cheap because it's an entry level guitar, or is it cheap because it's not one of the "Big" manufacturers? I don't want another entry level guitar, I have my Epi, I just want a mid-high level guitar as my second guitar

Ugh, it's been a pain looking for a 22 fret HSS strat with a flat neck under £1000. I thought it would be a pretty common model
Gear:
Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Godin Velocity
Peavey Vypyr 15 Watt
AMT WH1 Japanese Girl Wah
Marshall BB-2 Boost/OD
Joyo JF-07 Classic Flanger
Joyo JF-37 Analog Chorus
Last edited by BlueIceBox at Oct 13, 2012,
#28
Godins are good quality guitars that are cheaper because they don't have the same brand name power tht a Fender does. Same deal with G&L...though they're pricier than Godin because, again, they have better name brand recognition.

My opinion of Godin and G&L is that, for a given price, the a Godin or G&L will give you more for your money than a Fender. That said, it may still be worth it to buy a Fender if it feels better in your hands or if you plan on reselling it down the road. Good as a Godin and G&L are, Fender guitars simply hold their value better in the used market.

Of course, that also means you may be able to find a STEAL of a guitar looking for a used a Godin or G&L...
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#29
i've liked the godins i've tried. I don't think any of them are really "entry level" guitars (and they are made in canada), but i've only tried one or two.

they're about £60 cheaper on thomann, too, just to point out. they didn't seem to have the session plus either, though.
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#30
After some searching around today, I've found one seller in Edinburgh and another in Warwickshire. Both stock the Session Plus The next step is choosing either a Maple or Rosewood fretboard, but I don't think that'll be a hard decision to make

Thanks for the help guys, I don't think I would have thought of getting a Godin if it wasn't mentioned in this thread.

Looks like my search is over, expect a NGD thread in a month or so
Gear:
Epiphone Les Paul Standard
Godin Velocity
Peavey Vypyr 15 Watt
AMT WH1 Japanese Girl Wah
Marshall BB-2 Boost/OD
Joyo JF-07 Classic Flanger
Joyo JF-37 Analog Chorus