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#1
Hey peoples. I am looking for my first amp that isn't a 15watt learning amp.

This is my guitar. Stock(Dirty Fingers pickups). .11-.50 gauge strings(will these make a big difference? I like having the thicker strings)

I am a novice guitarist. I can fully play around 14 full length songs and too many intros and mini-songs. I mostly play acoustic since I don't really have an amp.

The style of sound I am looking for is from Linkin Park(Hybrid Theory)/Brand New(Your Favorite Weapon) to Senses Fail(All albums)/Escape the Fate(all albums)

What amp do you recommend? I am looking for 75watt+ and between 200-500CAD. I was going to purchase the Line 6 Spider IV 75 but reading here those things are apparently garbage, opposing the reviews of all sites.

Obviously in the future I am looking to make a pedal board, if you would like to recommend some "must haves" that would be great.

Thanks!
#2
Let me count the ways..

The Spider isn't as bad as people make out but for how much it costs it's a big ripoff considering what you can get used.

For that amount you could probably pick up a used Peavey XXX combo which will absolutely slay a Spider. See also used JCA50 combo
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#3
There are better modelers. Why not check out the Peavey Vypyr tube?
Seeing as its your first amp and the styles you play might change down the line
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There are better modelers. Why not check out the Peavey Vypyr tube?
Seeing as its your first amp and the styles you play might change down the line

Yeah for flat out versatility it's hard to go past a tube Vypyr
#5
Well, many of the reviews you read are either: planted by Line 6 or by other companies/bloggers/etc paid by Line 6 to do so, or by individuals who have only owned the amp for a month or two. The Spider IV seems like it's really nice at first, but the more you use it, the more lackluster it becomes until eventually, you hate it. Also, a comparable amp line, the Peavey Vypyr and Vypyr Tube series, is generally regarded to be far superior to the Spider series, and they are roughly the same price. The Vox Valvetronix is another line of modelling amps that are considered better than Spiders as well.

Amps to look into:
Vox Valvetronix
Peavey Vypyr (preferrably tube)
Line 6 Flextone (much better than the Spider)

I don't know of many tube amps in your price range that really nail the tones your looking to get, but other uses will probably be able to recommend some.
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#6
You guys mention Vypyr. How about Mustang? http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/fender-mustang-iii-100w-1x12-guitar-combo-amp

Unfortunately none of the amps suggested to buy used are on the local kijiji =\

EDIT: Thank you everyone for the suggestions so far. Looking into them all. Are there any brands to avoid? I read Peavey has QA issues but great warranty to counteract.
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#7
The mustang is a great choice too, but with what you described the Vypyr might be better for you, especially if you could get one with the control pedal or Sanpera

as for avoiding, two words:

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#8
I personally love my Mustang amp, but it's the Mustang I. I can't speak for the bigger ones.
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#10
Cool beans. Definitely have been recommended my whole life to stick with Peavey/Marshall amps.

If I were to spend an extra $150 on say.. Peavey 6505 Plus 60W Tube would that be worth it? Or put that money towards the pedal board and Vyper Tube.

EDIT:
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Also, the Roland Cube 30x is a really awesome modeling amp.

I've been eyeballing Roland's for a long time. For some reason I can't find them locally in Alberta, Canada though... ='(
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#12
Quote by ejams
Cool beans. Definitely have been recommended my whole life to stick with Peavey/Marshall amps.

If I were to spend an extra $150 on say.. Peavey 6505 Plus 60W Tube would that be worth it? Or put that money towards the pedal board and Vyper Tube.

EDIT:

I've been eyeballing Roland's for a long time. For some reason I can't find them locally in Alberta, Canada though... ='(

That's a nice amp but not very versatile I would recommend a used Peavey XXX combo or JCA50 combo for the bands you've listed if you wanna go all tube, otherwise the tube Vypyr
#13
Going to go with the Peavey Vypyr 100 or Peavey Vypyr 60 Tube depending on how the testing goes at the stores. Then I will purchase a Sanpera II 2 weeks later.

Unless you guys can change my mind lol.

Thanks again!
#14
Really you should just go for the 30 tube, thats plenty loud. Grab the Sanpera II with it.
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#15
peavey 5150's through 6505's do heavy metal with generally rather bad cleans. not bad if you're playing almost nothing but metal, but not fantastic otherwise. Still better than a spider, mind you.

out of all the modellers you could get, the vypyr would be the best, particularly the tube 60. I've heard nothing but good things about it, though I've not played them myself.

If you've got the budget to go for a used tube amp as your first amp, go for it. You might not be able to hear the subtleties of the sound now, but as you go your ears will adjust, and you'll learn to hear the depth and timbre your amp will make. As such, that's why people grow dissatisfied with their spiders and mg's over time.

Oh and unless you're playing very large gigs with no PA system and the drummer from hell, you won't need more than 30-50 watts tube. 100 watts is generally more for bragging rights, headroom, and/or other features included.

As for pedals and such, I wouldn't complicate your tone too much at the moment. grab an amp, start saving for basic pedals, or even a small multi fx to get your head around what you're looking for - things like reverb, chorus and delay, perhaps an overdrive for a boost or bit more dirt on a clean channel for example.
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#16
Awesome explanation for the wattage, definitely would love to save money.

However I can't find a 30W Tube. Just normal 30W. Still would satisfy my needs?

I don't plan on gigging anytime soon due to lack of a band/skill :p(will be away from home 10 days at a time and only home 4)
#17
my mistake.
I thought they came in flavors of 30 and 60, not 30 and 120.
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my mistake.
I thought they came in flavors of 30 and 60, not 30 and 120.

You would think.

Why tube? Googling tube vs solid state is getting me results that are over 3 years old.
#19
Googling tube vs solid state will find more bs spoken than probably any other subject short of politics. But let me put it this way - tubes vanished from every sphere of electronics apart from guitar amps and a few specialised esoteric purposes. There's a reason for that and that reason isn't that guitarists are all morons.
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#20
i actually find many younger/beginner guitarists like the sound of the spider. eventually when their ear develops or they start playing with other people is when the problems start.
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#21
If you can afford the vypyr 60 tube and don't want to go with a real tube amp (could get a used 6505+ 1x12 combo for around the same money), then that's what you're going to want. The solid state vypyrs just don't sound as good as the tube powered ones. If you can't afford the 60, then the 30 will still be your best choice for metal.
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#22
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But let me put it this way - tubes vanished from every sphere of electronics apart from guitar amps and a few specialised esoteric purposes. There's a reason for that and that reason isn't that guitarists are all morons.


+1

try making a modern computer with valves (if you even could) and it'd be the size of france. and take france's entire electricity output to power it.

try making a guitar amp with valves and... it's the size of a guitar amp (it's the speakers which are the limiting factor of the size). And it sounds awesome (assuming decent design, good speakers, good cabinet, good playing etc.).
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#23
The Vypyr 60 is an excellent choice, these guys have done a good job, I just wanted to reinforce the recommendation
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#24
I would stick with tubes. Never played a Vyper so to that I can't add much, but I have played, and quite liked, the 5150 and 6505. Marshall is also usually a good bet, but if you got the budget I would check out some Mesa stuff.
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i actually find many younger/beginner guitarists like the sound of the spider. eventually when their ear develops or they start playing with other people is when the problems start.

I wish I did more research about amps when I bought my first guitar. I never knew the amp had such an impact on the sound.

My first amp was a Spider 30w I bought 3 years ago when I got my first electric guitar. At the time it was very frustrating because I didnt understand all the effects, and when I turned them all off and played my Gibson LP studio on clean it sounded pretty bad. Metalic and clangy, zero warmth or color.

For a practice amp its good. Takes headphones (a plus with wife and kids). Has tons of effects to play with, although most are not great sound quality. The phlang/tremelo/phaser effects are cheese, but the delay is pretty solid and fun.

I still have that amp today, because I need a practice amp and it takes headphones and is small enough to bring on vacation. I dont gig (yet, prob next year ish) but my main amp is a Fender Blues delux. Let me say for a big amp (anything bigger than practice) I would never ever get this, your better off with one of the other recommendations.
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#26
yeah i mean it's not like a spider is absolutely useless or anything like that, you could do a lot worse, just for the same price there are amps which (IMO) do the modelling thing a fair bit better while sounding more natural. And if you're wondering what to buy it makes sense to buy the thing which is better.
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#27
I also recommend to stay away from spider amps. Regarding your other question, if you're going with modeling amps, it's redundant to use outboard effects like pedals as most effects are generally included. I'm in Lethbridge by the way, where are you?
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#28
NOOOOOOO No. please no.

there are other budget options and many of which are better than the spider. i myself am part of the spider owners that regretably hang thier head in the guitar world to admit they are ashamed of the purchase.

...to this day my spider is running the line in for an i pod dock at cook outs. A because i dont care a think about it. B cause its LOUD for an i pod.

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#30
Definitely enough reinforcement to go with the Vypyr 60 Tube.

Thank you everyone for explanations and recommendations and tales! I'm glad I came to you guys .

I'll post in a few weeks(2-4weeks depending on many circumstances :P) with my purchase and impression!

And crabstampede, I'm located in Edmonton.
#31
Was gonna offer you a Triple XXX, but that's a hell of a drive. Enjoy dude and let us know.
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#32
I've played a shitload of amps over the last 4 years and the Vypyr series really is a good choice. I played them all and waited impatiently for the tubed version to come out. Once it did and I played it I knew I had to have one. One popped up at my local GC for $315 and BAM.

Great purchase. Can't say enough about it. It has a headphone jack and takes all kinds of pedals really well too. Ask any question - I can answer it. I'm not the greatest guitarist either but I have a shitton of clips doing all kinds of stuff with it.

PS: I checked your craigslist....nothing there. Find a Vypyr 60 and play it.
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I've played a shitload of amps over the last 4 years and the Vypyr series really is a good choice. I played them all and waited impatiently for the tubed version to come out. Once it did and I played it I knew I had to have one. One popped up at my local GC for $315 and BAM.

Great purchase. Can't say enough about it. It has a headphone jack and takes all kinds of pedals really well too. Ask any question - I can answer it. I'm not the greatest guitarist either but I have a shitton of clips doing all kinds of stuff with it.

PS: I checked your craigslist....nothing there. Find a Vypyr 60 and play it.


+311 he knows what he is talking about, has tons of great clips on is page and he is probably the reason half the 60 watt vypyr tube owners have one.

the vypyr tube is really one hell of a modeler. the only one i would ever bother with.

do not base the tube 60 off of the 15 30 50 or 100 SS models, the 60 and 120 are hands down the best. a whole different tier.
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#34
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PS: I checked your craigslist....nothing there. Find a Vypyr 60 and play it.

Craigslist over here is almost strictly for perverts and sex addicts.

We use kijiji for everything else(They got rid of personals)
#35
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#36
At first you'll probably be happy with the purchase, but it'll only be a matter of time before it goes bad (at least mine did a while back) or you get sick of it. It's not worth the money. Even the 15w, at $99, is too expensive.

I suggest getting a used amp like the people above me suggested. For a beginner, I would highly recommend a Vypyr Tube 60. You'll be able to get it new, but can still go used if you want to save some money. I think it's a good idea for "novices" to get a versatile modeling amp so that they can find their sound and later find the amp that fits them best.
#37
When you are staring out, a modeling amp is perfect.
But they are not all created equal.

Vypyr and Vox Valvetronix are the favorites around here.
Others are pretty much shit all over, most of them deserve it.

If you get a chance, look around for an old Valvetronix model, the 60 and the 120.
Try those out. The people I have talked to about them, still rave about them years later.
They may not be the best for you, but you should give one a try if you can.
#38
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+311 he knows what he is talking about, has tons of great clips on is page



tnx man


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he is probably the reason half the 60 watt vypyr tube owners have one.




I doubt that

I actually do not know that many people that own one. It is no Axe Fx but it is a hella modeler for $300
#39
The Vypyr 60W Tube has been sold out since I made the post.
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