#1
Long story short:

Last month a friend of mine went abroad and lent me his Diezel Herbert. Words fail to describe how awesome this thing sounds (esp if you are a Marshal guy).
Yesterday I returned the little beast. During the last week I also spent some time at various guitar shops and played around (extensively) with a Mark V and Egnater Tourmaster (and others).

So...after all this trying out and meddling with high-end all-tube amps to make up my mind and make the investment, next week, I am going to order a Kemper

In the end, I can't really justify paying more money for something cumbersome to lug around, unwieldy (in home practice) and less versatile than its almost indistinguishable digital adversary...

Any of you having such revelations considering gear that felt like the Holy Grail before but not so much now?
#2
Quote by Deledhel
Any of you having such revelations considering gear that felt like the Holy Grail before but not so much now?


nothing to make me forsake guitar amps

i am a big advocate of digital effects, modeling, even my new midi converter sonuus toy. it blew me away when i got my channel strip and played through the amp sims i had, they sounded so much better with a good preamp. but nothing has made me want to get rid of my guitar amps.

if nothing else, i have played nothing the responds to by guitar's volume knob like my guitar amps; and i don't get feedback from anything else like my amps provide.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
#3
It's all you, bro. I've played both SS and tube amps. My preference is tube. They may be a little heavier and require a little more attention and care, but I'm fine with that. There's just something about that tube tone that I like. If you're not into it, it all boils down to personal preference. Ain't nobody going to bring you down, since you only like SS.

Enjoy!
#4
Quote by KG6_Steven
It's all you, bro. I've played both SS and tube amps. My preference is tube. They may be a little heavier and require a little more attention and care, but I'm fine with that. There's just something about that tube tone that I like. If you're not into it, it all boils down to personal preference. Ain't nobody going to bring you down, since you only like SS.

Enjoy!


+311 if that is what you want go for it. i own and use mostly tube amps, but will still admit that there are good SS amps as well. i owned a randall rg100es (does more than dime used it for), i have a Randall Century 100 that sounds good, the JC Roland is incredible. and probably a dozen others.

but then i plug into my tube amps and like them better. thats just me though.
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#5
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[...] since you only like SS. [...]


You misunderstood me there man. I love tube/analog sound in general. However, with my current lifestyle, I wouldn't really be able to use a metal tube amp to its fullest. I want to exploit such a gear investment to its fullest and let it redefine my tonal preferences.

With a high-watter I won't be able to do that (IMO always)
#7
Quote by Ippon
^ reported


You'll sell it after a few months when you realize it's missing something.


i have seen a few people do that on here. you do see a fair amount of axefx on various forums, both the first and second edition.


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i don't have a definitive reason, but maybe people just stop tweaking and are at a happy spot and realize they are only using a few models and that those sounds could be captured from one or two amps.

between my sig:X and Mark IV, and Splawn Nitro and 1968 Bassman , (i paid around or less than a grand per amp ($300 for the bassman). and you have all you need, at least i do. nothing particularly amazing like a diezel or slo100 yet, but i can go gig and get done what i need to do. sometimes i get tone complements, but who knows?

and 99% of the would probably couldn't tell the difference of a MG100 stack and a JCM800
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#9
I don't give a damn how big and unwieldy my rig is, what matters is tone and the ability to get the job done. If that affects what vehicle or house I have to buy so be it. One of my biggest regrets is selling my 1936 so now all I have is a 4x12 instead of a 6x12 like I prefer.
Hell, I use a JCM900 combo as an effects pedal. Whatever it takes, that's what I use.
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Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
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#10
Tubes used to be ideal because SS seemed to be lacking something for so long. Nowadays, modelers are getting to be extremely good. I personally can't hear the difference between AxeFX and the amps it models in a recording. And now the POD HD line is delivering high quality modeling for significantly less, so it's becoming a viable option. Then, as if that wasn't enough, Kemper comes out with this amazing modeler that basically clones amps.

I think the days of tubes being the holy grail are coming to an end. Digital modeling will be the golden standard within 10 years, and the only tube enthusiasts left will be die-hards, just like with record players.
#13
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#14
Quote by Cathbard
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

i domum.
#15
still can't figure out where to plug my speakers guys.

which part of the modeler is the amplifier?

so confused.
Prs se Holcomb is the answer
#16
The kemper isn't a power amp. You need one if your speakers aren't powered.
#17
That was his point.

Have you played a Kemper? You seem pretty sure of it, yet no mention of actually using one.
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#18
Aw sorry my sarcasm detectors are down after a night shift. Do you go at a shop and blow 1,5k without trying out what you are buying first? I know I don't...

I 've played with the lunchbox. I have a power-amp/cab and a powered wedge (also headphones with phantom power) I don't think I need to repeat what I said about amps in reverse.
#19
OK, just making sure. No need to get snippy. People always come on this site and talk about 'common sense' but fail to realise that this is the internet; common sense is far from common.
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Unless its electronic drums.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!
#20
Quote by Ippon
You'll sell it after a few months when you realize it's missing something.


True for lots of people. I agree with OP to a degree. I got an Axe-fx because it was the more versatile option to get the sounds I wanted. Now I use it for cleans and effects only.

A tube amp is an amazing thing. But with that you have limitations. I want more flexibility with my rig than just a plain head offers. Then I want a better sound. Then I want the versatility again.
/rig
#21
Quote by mespinos
I want more flexibility with my rig than just a plain head offers. Then I want a better sound. Then I want the versatility again.

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Quote by Raijouta
Unless its electronic drums.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!
#22
Quote by mespinos
A tube amp is an amazing thing. But with that you have limitations. I want more flexibility with my rig than just a plain head offers. Then I want a better sound. Then I want the versatility again.

Which is why I have a three channel valve amp mounted into a box with two rack units. There are ways to work with a valve amp that will allow you to have as much verstility as you want. The only limit is your imagination.
Get the right amp and the right FX units and you can do anything. And you don't need some obscure thing like me, get a Mark 5 and a G-System and you're set to play anything anywhere, any time.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#23
Quote by Cathbard
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.



LOL. Ok... Now you're dating yourself. We're probably the only two guys in here that know where that's from. His father probably does smell of elderberries.
#24
Quote by KG6_Steven
LOL. Ok... Now you're dating yourself. We're probably the only two guys in here that know where that's from. His father probably does smell of elderberries.


psssh. we dubbed that movie from a beta max into our VHS collection. watched it all the time, til the tape got eaten.

edit: and young people still watch it. it's almost like a cult classic to them.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
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#25
Quote by KG6_Steven
LOL. Ok... Now you're dating yourself. We're probably the only two guys in here that know where that's from. His father probably does smell of elderberries.


Please....I watched it when it was released. and can quote much of it from memory...
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
Charles Darwin
#26
The TS must weigh the same as a duck.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#27
Quote by Cathbard
The TS must weigh the same as a duck.


NI!

and i shall NI you again.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
#28
Shall I obtain a shrubbery to appease you or should I just run away?
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#29
Quote by Cathbard
Shall I obtain a shrubbery to appease you or should I just run away?


i am afraid you know what you have to do

punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
#30
Or I could just say it to you.

Muahahaha ....... I know your secret weakness!
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#31
Quote by Cathbard
Or I could just say it to you.

Muahahaha ....... I know your secret weakness!


stop it

oh no i just said it

i said it again

punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
#32
This must be the first time I've seen a guitar forum thread derail into Monty Python Now I shall go and boil my bottom..
#33
versatility can be confusing.


I wondered why the frisbee was getting bigger, then it hit me.