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kingsnake76
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#1
Okay, i have a price range of 500$ max.
Im playing through Emg 81/85's.
Im looking for a nice deep metalcore sound, Influences include.
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Asking alexandria
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I'm looking for that deep metalcore sound, that can still squeal and pinch harmonic like crazy.
I was looking at the Randall Rx120rh with the Rx412 cab, but im still researching. any and all advice or opinion are VERY welcome.
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#2
Peavey 112 combo.

You won't find a good head/cab setup for that price range and your style.
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#3
Grow up, you don't need a damn stack. I bet you don't even know the point of having a stack; I'm assuming you just want something to show off to your pre-pubescent friends.

Get a used 5150/6505 212 combo; you'll both look and sound like a grown-up.
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#4
Try to find a used Peavey 6505 or 5150 212 combo. Failing that, the 112 is pretty good too, a little thinner sounding, but still pretty sweet. Most of those bands either currently use or have used the Peavey, it is pretty ideal for that type of music, tight, distorted as anything, lots of mids.

EDIT: Ian, come on dude, you rip the TS a new asshole every single thread on you first post, at least wait until all your assumptions are confirmed to start being a dick man.
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#5
I agree. It's not even funny.
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#6
Quote by Ian_the_fox
Grow up, you don't need a damn stack. I bet you don't even know the point of having a stack; I'm assuming you just want something to show off to your pre-pubescent friends.


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I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
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#7
Also, don't you have a stack, Ian?
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#8
Quote by dementiacaptain
EDIT: Ian, come on dude, you rip the TS a new asshole every single thread on you first post, at least wait until all your assumptions are confirmed to start being a dick man.
Kid who plays the most generic metalcore and is looking at SS half stacks with only $500 to spend.

I can GUARANTEE he doesn't need a 4x12 for whatever he's doing, and wants a stack solely for the reason I mentioned.

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Also, don't you have a stack, Ian?
Indeed. And I'll agree stacks have their place on larger stages, but the chances of the TS needing one are VERY slim.


Do you really think he's playing on large, wide stages with a powerful drummer and needs that high amount of projection? I strongly doubt it.
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Eppicurt
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#9
And that justifies being a dick?
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#10
Do you play on larger stages, Ian?
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#11
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Do you play on larger stages, Ian?
When I am gigging (been in 3 failure bands since my last gig ), everything I play is either outdoors, in an armory building, or in a theater (haven't done that yet). So yes, I have use for the projection.

Read the TS's first post again: do you really think that's what he's after?


And I still gave a suggestion to check out a used 5150 212 which is arguably the best choice for his budget. So it's not like my post was a complete waste of server space.


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And that justifies being a dick?
It certainly kills the "I need a halfstack" attitude a lot quicker.
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LaidBack
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#13
Still, you came off like a douche, man. Wait until the TS presents us with more information before you go off on what he does and doesn't need. Does it say anywhere in his OP that he does or doesn't gig? No. You're jumping to conclusions man. Instead of assuming he's a 13 year old nitwit that wants to impress his friends, just say, "Hey there buddy, hang on, ask yourself, 'Do I really need this?'"

Pretty simple if you ask me.
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dementiacaptain
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#14
No, it doesn't. It really just turns people off from the forum. I remember when I first started I rarely posted because I knew that my lack of knowledge and understanding of gear would just get me flamed and was sure to provide no real results. Being a dick achieves one thing man, pissing people off.

You have some decent advice normally, but when it is laced with that prickish attitude, it is pretty much useless. All I'm saying, the TS did nothing other than ask a question. He didn't act like a smart ass or a prick, he doesn't deserve all that dude.
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#15
I remember in 2008 I did not know the difference between a tube amp and solid state amp. Honestly, to me....tubes seemed like old technology and solid state sounded so much more modern and 'solid'

I am not 13 either

Additionally, I had a poor assumption that combos were for blues and country players and I wanted br00talz so a half stack was only logical. Plus Randall amps are bad ass right?

Therefore, I don't think the TS line of thought is all that off base.

That said, it is very fashionable on UG to call out OP's that are asking about SS Halfstacks with a low budget
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#16
Ian, from what I understand, your Dad plays as well. Maybe you have an advantage over some of us here in that you might have already known a bit before you got on to the forums, but a lot of us did our learning here. I still say personal experience is best, but I have learned some firm guidelines from this forum. TS obviously has little knowledge of gear yet, so let's be good-natured about this and just explain.
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#17
I'd much rather have a 5150/6505 half-stack than a the 2x12 combo - but I gig, and those combos are tanks and a real bitch to move (hit the gym comments will be BS because I'm jacked and strong as shit). I ended up converting my 5150 212 into a head because it was such a pain to lug. If I were considering a combo... it would be a 1x12, and maybe a cab later. If you are set on a half-stack, don't waste $500 on something that is going to suck. Save up more $$$ for a decent rig.
On that note... I do have a 5150 combo converted to a head for sale.
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#18
The randal rg3 series wasn't bad but in order to achieve your genic core sound used 6505/5150 all the way.
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#19
Ian scared TS being a dick, as most times.

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#20
Quote by Ian_the_fox
Grow up, you don't need a damn stack. I bet you don't even know the point of having a stack; I'm assuming you just want something to show off to your pre-pubescent friends.

Get a used 5150/6505 212 combo; you'll both look and sound like a grown-up.



Calm down douche.

The man wants a stack, let him have a stack.
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#21
You don't need a stack for playing in your bedroom.
Arby911
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#22
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Also, don't you have a stack, Ian?


Nah, he's got a pussy half-stack..
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#24
Doesn't look like this one's coming back, way to go there Ian buddy.
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Calm down douche.

The man wants a stack, let him have a stack.


Yeah, but it doesn't hurt to point out that a stack isn't always an optimal solution, in case TS doesn't have a clue about amps and cabinets. Of course the way Ian did it isn't very helpful.
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#25
Quote by Ian_the_fox
When I am gigging (been in 3 failure bands since my last gig ), everything I play is either outdoors, in an armory building, or in a theater (haven't done that yet). So yes, I have use for the projection.

Read the TS's first post again: do you really think that's what he's after?


And I still gave a suggestion to check out a used 5150 212 which is arguably the best choice for his budget. So it's not like my post was a complete waste of server space.


It certainly kills the "I need a halfstack" attitude a lot quicker.
I don't know what is worse, being a complete douche to the TS for wanting a halfstack, or trying to legitimize your own halfstack because you... "need the projection".
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#26
i need my stack for my bedroom. it needs projection and volume.
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#27
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i need my stack for my bedroom. it needs projection and volume.


Quite right!

'Bedroom Levels' are dependent on the bedroom in question...


Tangentially, this reminds me of an interview with Bruce Willis some years ago where he said something along the lines of the following. He had just bought a house, and was talking about a fantasy conversation with his new neighbors...

"Oh Hi Bruce, what are those structures at the bottom of the canyon there, guest houses?"

"No, they ain't guest houses!"

"What are they then?"

"Speakers!"
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#28
Before we all tell him to get a combo because stacks are for posers, let's remember that heads are much more practical for gigs. Promoters like people with heads because one local band/the venue can provide the cabs, and the sound guy can just leave his mics on them, therefore saving time and space. If you have a half stack, you can provide your cab at local gigs, and only have to lug a light bit of gear out of town.
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#29
Quote by TomMon
Before we all tell him to get a combo because stacks are for posers, let's remember that heads are much more practical for gigs. Promoters like people with heads because one local band/the venue can provide the cabs, and the sound guy can just leave his mics on them, therefore saving time and space. If you have a half stack, you can provide your cab at local gigs, and only have to lug a light bit of gear out of town.


And with a $20 cable, one can plug their combo into these venue-owned pre-mic'd cabs....

I'm not sure the 'practicality' advantage is as great as you imply?
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#30
I own a ghetto half stack, an ampeg v50h and a chopped randall rg200g3. I watched a few videos and it the rx120 actually sound pretty good (personally I rather have it than a 6505) but the 6505 will get him the sound he is after much better.
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#32
Immature responses notwithstanding, I too once fell for the allure of the cheap half-stack. But it wasn't all in vain. You can always sell your shitty amp head and get a good one. They are useful when gigging depending on the venue.

Depending on the size of the venue you won't need to mic the thing. One of my friends has been doing sound for 12 years or so, he places half-stacks behing the drums believing it "pushes out" the sound of the drums which are themselves also mic'd. It sounds hokey but seems to work.

Plus, never count out the "wow" factor. If you think music should be all substance and no style you're probably not going to be successful.

But one can certainly make due with a combo, especially when recording.
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#33
Check out the Bugera 6260 and 6262. Also Dime cabinets are awesome they play real nice with low tunings. Combos are really heavy(weight not sound) and lack low end, keep that in mind.
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#36
Take your guitar down to a music shop and try some. Only way to get what you want.
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#37
Ian doesn't know the difference between a light bulb and a tube. He really isn't worth listening to.
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#38
Maybe a Peavey Vypyr Tube head? if you really want a stack. I'd suggest you the combo with an amp stand though - makes projecting much easier.

What my friend did is went into GC with $800 for a halfstack (yes, for projection *geezus*) and walked out with a used JSX and a used MG412.

He threw crossed V30s and G12s in it later, and it really sounds good without paying much money or having to build one himself.
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#40
this is just old and stupid.

ian was that really necessary?

i have 5 4x12"'s and 2x12"s and 2 1x12" i need to finish the 1x12s though so technically in use now.

i have two combos. a 1x12" and a 2x12"

i play out and i play my gear, whatever i need or want to use.

i can play any of my amps with a 4x12" any time of day some of them allot for lower volumes so i can play throughout the night and while not ideal, the Dual Terror doesn't sound that bad.

there is nothing with wanting a 4x12" he may grow later and get tired of hauling it, and buy a 2x12" but thats his deal.

ian- weren't the one with the light bulb tube theory? (i apologize if it was somebody else) remember that you didn't know anything as a new player either.
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