#1
Hey forum

I want an all tube head 30-60W. I want something which is medium-high gain (think SLash, Page, Iommi) something that delivers harmonics and chunk but isn't overbearing and loses clarity; that classic british tone with some extra bite. I guess im just chasing that vintage tone. Anyway, i want it to be around 800-1100 Australian dollars. I would prefer something non-chinese. I don't mind checking out 2nd hand markets although they are pretty lacking in Australia. So far i've got three which i'm considering

- Orange TH30 (i know that's chinese :S)
-Laney Ironheart 60
- marshall vintage modern 50w (i'll have to search around, but it's pheaseable)

Please don't suggest stuff like the JCM800 2nd hand. As much as i love that raw rock n roll tone, it's just too loud. I'll be using it with 2x12 cab, for both gigging in a small venue and home use. SO yeah, if anyone could add to or help me out, it would great. Cheers Guys

also, please no solid state...just no

TY guys
#3
You realise the JCM800 has a master volume?

A Vintage Modern needs to be cranked to sound any good, low volumes it's pretty bad. If you're after British voicing the Orange might be way to go, but the TH30 requires a certain taste, it's not for everyone. Do you have a chance to try any of them out?

I'd count out the Ironheart. It's not suited to what you want.
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#4
This is all from what i've heard, i haven't actually ever played a JCM800 (which is kinda sad). I like having lots of gain on tap hence why i've included the ironheart. I also forgot to mention..i hate having lots of knobs e.g. TSL, JVM style panels, the ironheart would be the limit in terms of amount of knobs. But anyway, what makes you rule out the ironheart?
#5
Compared to what else can be had, it's just not as good. I thought the sound was pretty fizzy and thin, all the knobs on it were loose and wiggly and speakers that come stock with them are crap. Just a very cheap sounding and cheaply manufactured amp. Granted if it had a speaker swap and a tube swap, might be better. But still not a fan. Also for the type of sounds you're describing, it won't suit as well as something like the Orange.

But like I said, do you have a chance to try it out?
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#6
i do but it's a bit of a trek so i want to have a clear idea of what i'm looking for. The main concern with the Orange was maybe a lack of versatility, i'm not sure. Any other suggestions
#7
Classic 50 212 is always a good option. They can be had used well within budget.
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#9
the ironheart is chinese. I haven't tried it, but i also hear it's on the more modern side of things in terms of tone.

laney gh50/100L would be cool if you don't need an actual clean channel.
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#10
*cough* Egnater Rebel 30 *cough*
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#13
cleans just have to resembles cleans i guess. Something which is ok for rock rhythm, it doesn't have to be crystal clear. It's not the strong point. I would prefer two channel, or something which a dynamic range like the VM. How is the gain on the egnater series? Is it along the lines of TH30
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#16
Cleans on the TH30 are great.
The dirt is gritty, excells at mid-high gain. It'd cover what you want, low gain leaves a bit to be desired. Its quite versatile, but mostly more on the modern end of the scale but you can dial it in to do old school stoner stuff great, the shape knob sounds best between 10 and 2 oclock. A proper EQ would go a long way i feel.

If youre chasing that JCM tone though i'd +1 to the Laney AOR.
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#17
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I want an all tube head 30-60W.

Please don't suggest stuff like the JCM800 2nd hand. As much as i love that raw rock n roll tone, it's just too loud.


This is just plain dumb, sorry.


100W valve amps are very loud. 60W valve amps are very loud. 30W valve amps are very loud. 15W valve amps are very loud.

That's why we have 'master volune'.
#18
Laney GH50 and Vintage Modern will do for you as well as the TH30. JCM800 will sound better though... REALLY!

Try them first.

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#19
I'm going to 3rd the AOR. Hits classic rock tones well and has more than enough gain on tap. You may want to run an EQ or volume pedal to help tame the volume, but they're usually pretty affordable, so that shouldn't be an issue.
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#20
The Marshall JCM 800 vertical input (which is the one you would want) is released in two flavours: 2203 (100w) and 2204 (50w).

You actually say that you don't want a JCM 800 suggested because it will be too loud, but you ask for a 30 - 60 watt amp.... I think 50 fits in between 30 to 60 somewhere .

However, like stated above, even 15 watts will be VERY loud in your bedroom, thats why there is a Master Volume.

I would advise to buy an amp with the max wattage YOU will ever need.
Do you ONLY use it in the bedroom? go as low as possible.
Do you want to gig in a small bar? 15 watts should be enough
Could it be that you are going to play at a little bigger hall? 50 watts.

Just think about this thoroughly, you don't want to buy an amp which has too much watts for any applycation you would use, but you also want to be heared on your biggest gig.
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#21
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This is all from what i've heard, i haven't actually ever played a JCM800 (which is kinda sad). I like having lots of gain on tap hence why i've included the ironheart. I also forgot to mention..i hate having lots of knobs e.g. TSL, JVM style panels, the ironheart would be the limit in terms of amount of knobs. But anyway, what makes you rule out the ironheart?



Laney GH50L.....Or the two channel version if you want/need a 2nd
Very good clean, nice vintage overdrive and distortion can go as nuts as you want with and withot pedals
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#22
Just read the rest of the thread, the GH50L is very recommended for a reason....its a really good amp!
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#23
This might be over your budget over there, but another amp to consider is a Mesa Stiletto Ace. You might be able to find a used one. 50 watts, 2 channels, plenty of gain, but not too complex.
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#24
^^ not to derail the thread, but how do you like those g1265s with your laney? Been thinking of picking up the wgs versions, maybe, for a laugh.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?