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DrewMeyer
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Finally, after about a year of restless searching I have finally found my tone (my base tone that is) with a '69 Fender Bandmaster and a Fender Modern Player Telecaster Deluxe w/ P90s. I have been seeking the quintessential American clean tone (John Mayer, shamelessly, was my ultimate goal) and I think I have achieved that. Now for the next goal, my overdriven tone. As well, John Mayer is who I draw inspiration from here. I have been looking at overdrive pedals for a while and noticed there are a bunch. I will eventually go to Guitar Center and play a bunch of them before making a final decision, but I want a few educated opinions here. What would be the best overdrive to just add a bit of smooth and creamy grit and compression while still maintaining the amp's natural dynamics and chime, but can be boosted to achieve a more thick saturated overdrive (without going into the realm of edgy metal distortion)? Additional information can be provided upon request. Thanks!
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i got an addrock not so ol' yeller and i stopped looking. it's a 2 channel OD that sounds amazing, good luck finding one though.

there are a number of pedal makers on this forum, i'd personally get one from matt or greeny
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i would say a great point to start (and one you wont find in GC) is a CMATMODS signa drive. i have, one. it crushes almost every tubescreamer style OD ive ever played. it kinda has 3 different gain modes, so its alot more than a TS clone. it can get compressed middy or really uncompressed and natural breakup like, and then a clean boost in the middle position almost.

i also think a fulltone fulldrive can do some of the things you want.

i would start my quest there. price range?
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+1 to Fulltone Fulldrive 2 is the way to go. JM used one ages ago but I'm not sure now.
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Really I don't have a budget exactly as I am willing to pay a lot if it is what I want, but I'd say $250 is the max I would spend. I've heard really good things about the tim. Any word on that?
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yeah tim will do what you want. great pedal. good luck getting one.

i was going to recommend that or the timmy but A i dunno your price range, B they are so hard to get i basically dont even tell people to buy one.

250 max givesd you a lot of flexibility. ill keep thinking.

honestly, a good olde green rhino is fantastic.
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Klon?

Is that actually an appropriate response for this thread?
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Quote by ikey_
yeah tim will do what you want. great pedal. good luck getting one.

i was going to recommend that or the timmy but A i dunno your price range, B they are so hard to get i basically dont even tell people to buy one.

250 max givesd you a lot of flexibility. ill keep thinking.

honestly, a good olde green rhino is fantastic.

Hmm, I see Tims all the time on Craigslist for about $200. Also I'll look at the Zendrive as I have heard great things about those too.
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Keeley Katana --> Keeley BD-2 --> Keeley TS-9 was a combination he used on the Trio tour.

A Klon, TS-10, (vintag) Bluesbreaker, and Zendrive is what he uses now.
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Wow a lot on the Zendrive. It looks pretty solid. Would it be worth the extra $50 for the Zendrive 2 (containing a 12AX7)?
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Quote by DrewMeyer
Wow a lot on the Zendrive. It looks pretty solid. Would it be worth the extra $50 for the Zendrive 2 (containing a 12AX7)?


In my opinion, no. Tube overdrive pedals seem more like a gimmick than anything useful, to me.
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I've been very impressed with my Green Rhino, awesome od pedal.
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this is a good demo of both pedals. the signa super is a signa with an extra boost circuit. but i would say even the regular one gives a similar tone.

this guy can play too. good demo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghGSi_BjSZE

the zen is awesome. i have 2 concerns. A, its hitting a huge budget price point for me, and B it has a particular tone and i feel it would be a bit muddy for chords? any thoughts?

for lead tone i would definitely like to try it, but my signa is definitely more versatile. its essentially 3 ODs in 1 box. in fact, i wish he made a 3 stage signa where each mode was on a seperate switch / circuit, and then you can cascade them together.

sweet jesus. 1 screamer, 1 tranparent OD, 1 boost. da bomb.

this is decent especially at 7:33 (PS i hate how this guy is running that delay.....)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkGcO3XSU5A
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Quote by DrewMeyer
Wow a lot on the Zendrive. It looks pretty solid. Would it be worth the extra $50 for the Zendrive 2 (containing a 12AX7)?

nope. regular zendrive is fine.
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Oh gosh so many different recommendations! The Zendrive and Tim both look really good though (despite the cost) and I think I will look at those. So two questions. Both pedals are compared to the dumble tone, so which would everyone recommend for John Mayer type drive tones? As well, someone above said the Zendrive could get muddy on chords, so what does everyone think about that?
colin617
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Quote by DrewMeyer
Oh gosh so many different recommendations! The Zendrive and Tim both look really good though (despite the cost) and I think I will look at those. So two questions. Both pedals are compared to the dumble tone, so which would everyone recommend for John Mayer type drive tones? As well, someone above said the Zendrive could get muddy on chords, so what does everyone think about that?


I never liked the Tim with Fender amps (it's a terribly overrated pedal, IMO anyway). I would definitely go with the Zendrive. I owned one for awhile when I went through my Mayer stage and it definitely does the Continuum thing. Also, it certainly does not get muddy with chords.
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I never liked the Tim with Fender amps (it's a terribly overrated pedal, IMO anyway). I would definitely go with the Zendrive. I owned one for awhile when I went through my Mayer stage and it definitely does the Continuum thing. Also, it certainly does not get muddy with chords.

Well then, the Zendrive looks like it's the best option. Watching videos on it now and it sounds like what I want. So the Tim really isn't that great? Interesting
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nah i speculated it might get too dark for chords. for the record, ive never played a zen.

really? last time i heard a tim was through a blues junior reissue and a strat. man i thought that was sexy tone. the tim and the timmy are both great. all options you have said are really great.

have you googled "dumble overdrive pedal" like this:

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/stomp-box/192808-dumble-type-pedal-best.html

there are 2 good ones, fuchs and i have also heard the ocean FX pearl drive

there this for $595 bucks.....dude it sounds good but who knows what else hes playing.

http://www.customtonesinc.com/Sound_Clips_Ethos_OD.html

there are so many really. i think the most widely refrenced dumble in a box is a zendrive.

oh hey this is relevant, zen vs tim:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UCOLnIRJdk
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595 dollar ethos vs 200 dollar zen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW1SqL8k-9c
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Quote by DrewMeyer
Well then, the Zendrive looks like it's the best option. Watching videos on it now and it sounds like what I want. So the Tim really isn't that great? Interesting

the tim/timmy doesn't really sound good on fender amps, but that's because of the scooped nature of fender cleans, and the fact that the tim doesn't add any eq. scooped low-gain just doesn't sound that good.
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#28
$595 is a bit much for a drive pedal. And a bit too many knobs for my taste. One day maybe, but not today. The zendrive looks like the best option then.
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#29
Quote by DrewMeyer
$595 is a bit much for a drive pedal. And a bit too many knobs for my taste. One day maybe, but not today. The zendrive looks like the best option then.


i've built a heap of zenderives cause people love them. i also love them, much better than timmys in my eyes.
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i've built a heap of zenderives cause people love them. i also love them, much better than timmys in my eyes.

i've heard the zenintegrates are good as well.
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I have another question for zendrive users. Does it work really well with boosts and other OD pedals? I've heard the Zendrive 2 combines well with other ODs and the like so does its little brother share that quality? I want to get some kind of boost as well that would be able to push it into a more saturated drive (not so much more gain and distortion but just punchier if you get what I mean). Does this pedal do that well?
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i didnt actually mean for you to consider buying the 595 pedal, im just saying hear the tone and compare that to a zen.

yeah the zen might be the best. i would definitely like to get my hands on a zen someday. i feel its one of those pedals i just gotta bite the bullet and order cause im never finding it in a store.

i love my signa which is in a class of its own for about 135. once you breach 200 i feel your in a different league.
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Quote by ikey_
i didnt actually mean for you to consider buying the 595 pedal, im just saying hear the tone and compare that to a zen.

yeah the zen might be the best. i would definitely like to get my hands on a zen someday. i feel its one of those pedals i just gotta bite the bullet and order cause im never finding it in a store.

i love my signa which is in a class of its own for about 135. once you breach 200 i feel your in a different league.

Oh I gotcha. I am pretty excited now to get one. Does anyone know if Zendrives have a year long waiting list like the Tim does?
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Oh I gotcha. I am pretty excited now to get one. Does anyone know if Zendrives have a year long waiting list like the Tim does?

the tim only has 2 to 3 months wait at the moment.

not sure on the zen.
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#38
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I've been very impressed with my Green Rhino, awesome od pedal.


I'd have to agree with guitarded here. The Green Rhino is a very "creamy" and smooth OD pedal to give you some dirt on your cleans or as a lead "boost". I'd suggest that you look into it.
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the tim only has 2 to 3 months wait at the moment.

not sure on the zen.

Really? Last i saw the Tim orders were so backed up you couldn't place on order on it. Well hopefully it isn't too long.
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Really? Last i saw the Tim orders were so backed up you couldn't place on order on it. Well hopefully it isn't too long.

longest it's ever gone is 6 months. but since february or something it's come way down.