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#41
Quote by Aralingh
No offense here, but he's quite right. By far, life's meaning is what you think it is, and when generalizing, it means it has none. So don't dramatize.

Yes, but if you decide life has no personal meaning to you, then the next logical step is...to kill yourself. I'm not dramatizing. My dad is a psychiatrist. He has loads of stories where people get depressed because they think their life has no meaning. Part of life is finding meaning in your life.

If you have no meaning to your life, then honestly...wtf cares about living? Should you not encourage people to find their own personal meaning rather than saying, "Life has no meaning. No one is unique. It's all worthless."?

TS, if you're depressed or suicidal, I would advise you to find a hobby (whether it's a social hobby or a solitary hobby). Get out there and do something. Take a little pride and joy in something, feel good about it; getting a hobby is one way to do that.

Quote by Philip_pepper
Does anyone else think relationships are secondary?

I say work on yourself first. Get that degree. Get that job. Get that house. Get that car. Then you can worry about messing it all up.

Women are expensive.

I support this statement. You should be in a position whereby you're taking care of yourself before you try to take care of a woman. (And no, "by take care of a woman", I don't mean she can't take care of herself. But I do mean, you should be able to afford things like taking her out to dinner or doing special things for her, at the very least. )
Last edited by crazysam23_Atax at Sep 23, 2012,
#42
if life has no meaning, we can finally free ourselves from the jail of life and be truly freely and act as the person we want to be without ever having to regret we'll die and have only a sad life to look back to.

(Nietzsche)
Quote by Ulalume
I had a friend who was held at gunpoint as a cashier. The robber told him to give him all the money in the register and what not. Apparently my friend then replied, "Would you like a slurpee with that?"
#43
Hey TS, plenty of us have been there and got through it. The first tough thing in your life is usually the toughest - obviously because you've never experienced anything like it before and it feels like your entire life has fallen apart and you have no idea what to do about it. Also, it's hard to accept at the time, but your hormones are all over the place at 16 too, and it makes things seem a lot worse than they are. I'm not trying to undermine whatever's happened to you in any way, but whatever it is will most likely become insignificant in the bigger picture of your whole life, which is just beginning!
When you get over some really tough breakup, you end up stronger for it. Learn from your mistakes and it'll make you a man. I'm not going to advise you to "get over it" or anything. The best course of action is not to do anything, you'll inevitably feel shit over time but getting over it is an automatic process.
If you want a chat, feel free to PM me.

That's the only nice shit any of you are ever going to see me post here, so don't get too used to it.
#44
Quote by TimTheWizard
if life has no meaning, we can finally free ourselves from the jail of life and be truly freely and act as the person we want to be without ever having to regret we'll die and have only a sad life to look back to.

(Nietzsche)

Which helps a possibly suicidal or depressed TS how?...

Anyway, TS, we're here for you. Drop me a line via PM, if you need.
#45
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Which helps a possibly suicidal or depressed TS how?...

Well, to me for one it gave a great reason why I shouldn't be constantly thinking about the bad stuff happening to me and try to compromise and make the best with it.

See, Nietzsche said that if you die, there's no afterlife. The only thing a man can do is look back at his life and choose to do it all over again. Every little detail innit, good or bad, included. The man who chooses to do this, is what he called the übermensch. Only übermenschen dare to live their lives again and free themselves from the cage of fear and face the bad things that happened to them.
In result, you must try to have a as long and as happy as possible life without worrying about the bullshite that comes along with it. If you're smart enough, sometimes take a step back, it'll get solved. Sometimes only time can heal the wounds but at least you're over them and happy again, right?

Quitting his life now means he'll only have those young years to look back to and will never know what happens past that point where he killed himself. If he continues to live on, he will see there's pleasure behind this suffering and that better things will come along.
Since there is NO GOD, your life isnot set in stone and you can have control over it! Your fate is in your own hands, you're the pilot and till you're 20smth you're only learning how to fly it.

Those who fail to learn how to fly or just ignore to fly are most of the time called nihilists or religious folk.

Nietsche is an extreme source of self-awareness. It should be in your school package
Quote by Ulalume
I had a friend who was held at gunpoint as a cashier. The robber told him to give him all the money in the register and what not. Apparently my friend then replied, "Would you like a slurpee with that?"
Last edited by TimTheWizard at Sep 23, 2012,
#47
Quote by TimTheWizard
[Snip]

Nietsche is an extreme source of self-awareness. It should be in your school package

Well, ok...that all makes sense. Though, to be fair, not everyone agrees with Nietzsche. He's a good philosopher, but...

Point is, I guess if what you said helps TS, cool.
#48
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Well, ok...that all makes sense. Though, to be fair, not everyone agrees with Nietzsche. He's a good philosopher, but...

Point is, I guess if what you said helps TS, cool.

I hope it did, suicide is evil man. Even if you don't agree with Nietzsche, everyone agrees that suicide is bad
Quote by Ulalume
I had a friend who was held at gunpoint as a cashier. The robber told him to give him all the money in the register and what not. Apparently my friend then replied, "Would you like a slurpee with that?"
#49
Quote by TimTheWizard
I hope it did, suicide is evil man. Even if you don't agree with Nietzsche, everyone agrees that suicide is bad

Yeah, true.
#50
Quote by JD2k9
wheres that guy here that lives in lincoln? we should hang out and do some ketamine
Er, here?

And no thanks. I've moved out of Lincoln anyway.

Thank God
Last edited by fender_696 at Sep 23, 2012,
#52
This really does look like a suicide note to me. Don't listen to that 'one shot' bullshit, its absolutely false. There will always be opportunities to better the situation you're in. Everyone goes through this. Everyone. Don't lose faith in the world, it won't lose faith in you.
#53
Quote by fender_696
Er, here?

And no thanks. I've moved out of Lincoln anyway.

Thank God



can't say I blame you, that city is a shithole.

TS,we're all here if you need us, don't feel like you have to go through this alone.
#54
Quote by JD2k9
wheres that guy here that lives in lincoln? we should hang out and do some ketamine


I don't live in Lincoln, but I'll do ketamine with you.
you're a stone fox
#55
Who cares? All of these people think everything is a ****ing joke to them. Why do you continue to feed them with your attention seeking?

"the things you used to own, now they own you." - oh bro im sick and tired of lifting a finger just to have the same series of events happen to me, only if a girl could just tell me, "I want you to be my paparoach, so I'm gonna suck on your cockaroach"

Just think about this
the day I die
is the day everyone else dies too
because they were just created in my mind
and my brain is too advanced for my body
that is why
I think faster than I can talk
and because of that, I forgot.
#56
Quote by Child In Time
Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a ****ing big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin can openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of ****ing fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the **** you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing ****ing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, ****ed-up brats you have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life . . . But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?

I wanted to post this
#57
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
What a cynical viewpoint...

not really
Quote by korinaflyingv
On the come up we were listening to Grateful Dead and the music started passing through my bowel and out my arsehole as this violet stream of light. I shat music. It was beautiful.
#58
The reason relationship drama is so hurtful to someone when they are young is because of youthful arrogance. You know, the shit crazysam shows every time he open his mouth.

We have the conceptions that THIS girl is the only one. I was the same way. We are so arrogant in our youth to think that, for lack of a better phrase, "this is it." It is short sighted. We cannot see everything else around us. Then you grow up a bit and start to notice all that is out there. You look back on the youthful you and think, "Wow, I was a dumbass."

As long as we have that arrogance, that ego, we cannot be free. You end up caught up in the now and only the now. You try dictating your life into some set story, but the truth is that you don't really control the story here. You are but one person. You can add things and take them away, you can try and you can fail, but ultimately the story of your life is something that is so much greater then simply you, because other people are involved. Things might not go the way you wanted them to, but that doesn't really matter, because the story keeps going. You just have to be willing to go with it.

Shit looked bleak when the Fellowship of the Ring were split up and Boromir was killed, but that didn't stop Frodo, man. He kept on. He did what he had to do.

Thus is life. Obstacles arise, and sometimes small problems look like the end of the world, but in truth they are merely providing you with a new path to take. The thing is, as long as we value ourselves so highly, as long as we let that arrogance and self deceit rule our lives, we will never see that path, all we will see is the wall blocking us on the path we had planned to take.

See the new path, young grasshopper, don't be obsessed with what could have been, look forward to what can be.
#59
Quote by TunerAddict
The reason relationship drama is so hurtful to someone when they are young is because of youthful arrogance. You know, the shit crazysam shows every time he open his mouth.

We have the conceptions that THIS girl is the only one. I was the same way. We are so arrogant in our youth to think that, for lack of a better phrase, "this is it." It is short sighted. We cannot see everything else around us. Then you grow up a bit and start to notice all that is out there. You look back on the youthful you and think, "Wow, I was a dumbass."

As long as we have that arrogance, that ego, we cannot be free. You end up caught up in the now and only the now. You try dictating your life into some set story, but the truth is that you don't really control the story here. You are but one person. You can add things and take them away, you can try and you can fail, but ultimately the story of your life is something that is so much greater then simply you, because other people are involved. Things might not go the way you wanted them to, but that doesn't really matter, because the story keeps going. You just have to be willing to go with it.

Shit looked bleak when the Fellowship of the Ring were split up and Boromir was killed, but that didn't stop Frodo, man. He kept on. He did what he had to do.

Thus is life. Obstacles arise, and sometimes small problems look like the end of the world, but in truth they are merely providing you with a new path to take. The thing is, as long as we value ourselves so highly, as long as we let that arrogance and self deceit rule our lives, we will never see that path, all we will see is the wall blocking us on the path we had planned to take.

See the new path, young grasshopper, don't be obsessed with what could have been, look forward to what can be.


Oh my god, this is amazing. Seriously, its to the point where I want to sig it, but I don't know what part I'd sig.

Favorite parts are now bolded.
Last edited by whywefight at Sep 23, 2012,
#60
Quote by whywefight
Oh my god, this is amazing. Seriously, its to the point where I want to sig it, but I don't know what part I'd sig.

Favorite parts are now bolded.



I'm glad someone liked it.

I can surely relate to TS. When I was his age I had these girl problems that I just couldn't deal with. I really thought my life was over at 16-17. Seriously suicidal (although I cannot say that has changed).

Eventually you start to realize how stupid you are at that age and that kind of stuff is really embarrassing for me, so I don't talk about it that much.

I know for myself, in particular, I really got caught up in this self delusional spell where I wanted to believe something, that is so clearly stupid now, was so unbelievably important then. I could not grasp the fact that my life was not special, and that this wasn't the end of the world. I think a lot of it had to do with the fact that I saw the world in a way that was so contrary to how it actually was, and that was because I did not have experience in it. That is the pitfall of youth. You conceive the world as well as you can, with limited experience. Thus you see the world in a way that is contrary to reality, because you've yet to see it. The problem being that because you are young and inexperienced, you believe you actually know how it really is. Do I really see the world now? No, but I see it so much better then I did. I now know, however, that my experience is limited, I lack the arrogance of youth.

As a young lad, all I had to go on was my limited experience and TV/Movies. TV/Movies like to paint these grandiose pictures of what love and relationships are like, and for a kid who has not experienced it first hand, it breeds expectations of destiny or an overestimation of importance that anyone with experience would know to be untrue.
Last edited by TunerAddict at Sep 23, 2012,
#61
But if you don't f_ck up, how will you learn?
Do you feel warm within your cage?

And have you figured out yet -


Life goes by?
Quote by Hydra150
There's a dick on Earth, too
It's you
Last edited by strat0blaster at Sep 23, 2012,
#63
Quote by TunerAddict
The reason relationship drama is so hurtful to someone when they are young is because of youthful arrogance. You know, the shit crazysam shows every time he open his mouth.

Simply because you and I have a difference of opinion doesn't mean you can be an asshole about it. You agree with Nietzsche; I don't. Get over yourself. And I'm arrogant! As if insisting people who disagree with you are wrong/"full of youthful arrogance" isn't arrogance in the extreme!

Quote by TunerAddict
You end up caught up in the now and only the now. You try dictating your life into some set story, but the truth is that you don't really control the story here. You are but one person. You can add things and take them away, you can try and you can fail, but ultimately the story of your life is something that is so much greater then simply you, because other people are involved. Things might not go the way you wanted them to, but that doesn't really matter, because the story keeps going. You just have to be willing to go with it.
Why do you assume that someone who is full of "youthful arrogance" (or in other words, me, as you so succinctly put it) is caught up in the now and only the now? You immediately assume that someone like me, who assigns a certain meaning to life, doesn't believe in something "greater than simply you".

Anyway, I agree with the entirety of this paragraph, even if you and I do disagree on Nietzsche or that life has meaning.

@Saint78:
I think Nietzsche's full of shit. His ideas have some merit, but the irony is that there's always some people who assume his ideas are the only ideas with merit. Personally, I follow a different set of ideals.
If you like Nietzsche, cool. I don't believe in his philosophy. I don't see an issue with that.

OT:
Look, TS, it's like this. Maybe you messed up with this girl. But the thing is, you can move on. You can survive. Pick yourself up, talk to someone if you need to, and step out to live your life. You've so much ahead of you (no matter what anyone's beliefs, none can say that there's not a ton more to experience, if you're only 16).
Last edited by crazysam23_Atax at Sep 23, 2012,
#64
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Simply because you and I have a difference of opinion doesn't mean you can be an asshole about it. You agree with Nietzsche; I don't. Get over yourself. And I'm arrogant! As if insisting people who disagree with you are wrong/"full of youthful arrogance" isn't arrogance in the extreme!

OT:
Look, TS, it's like this. Maybe you messed up with this girl. But the thing is, you can move on. You can survive. Pick yourself up, talk to someone if you need to, and step out to live your life. You've so much ahead of you (no matter what anyone's beliefs, none can say that there's not a ton more to experience, if you're only 16).


But Nietzsche is awesome.
you're a stone fox
#65
Jesus Christ....

This whole stupid thing really IS about a fcking highschool breakup, isn't it?
Do you feel warm within your cage?

And have you figured out yet -


Life goes by?
Quote by Hydra150
There's a dick on Earth, too
It's you
#68
Quote by whywefight
Possibly the most metal person ever.


You just ruined Nietzsche for me.

Not really.

He wasn't metal either. He was actually a very frail, sickly man.
you're a stone fox
#69
k.
You want some more seeneyj hate? WELL YOU CAN'T HAVE IT

You're all a bunch of f*cking slaves! - Jim Morrison

UG Awards
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1st: Most Pretentious User
#70
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Simply because you and I have a difference of opinion doesn't mean you can be an asshole about it. You agree with Nietzsche; I don't. Get over yourself. And I'm arrogant! As if insisting people who disagree with you are wrong/"full of youthful arrogance" isn't arrogance in the extreme!

Why do you assume that someone who is full of "youthful arrogance" (or in other words, me, as you so succinctly put it) is caught up in the now and only the now? You immediately assume that someone like me, who assigns a certain meaning to life, doesn't believe in something "greater than simply you".

Anyway, I agree with the entirety of this paragraph, even if you and I do disagree on Nietzsche or that life has meaning.

@Saint78:
I think Nietzsche's full of shit. His ideas have some merit, but the irony is that there's always some people who assume his ideas are the only ideas with merit. Personally, I follow a different set of ideals.
If you like Nietzsche, cool. I don't believe in his philosophy. I don't see an issue with that.

OT:
Look, TS, it's like this. Maybe you messed up with this girl. But the thing is, you can move on. You can survive. Pick yourself up, talk to someone if you need to, and step out to live your life. You've so much ahead of you (no matter what anyone's beliefs, none can say that there's not a ton more to experience, if you're only 16).


My post wasn't addressed to you, I had just thrown you in as an example since you wanted to attack me earlier for having an opinion contrary to yours.

Youthful arrogance. Being 16 and thinking you know it all. That is what I'd classify youthful arrogance as. I'd guess it would have to do with limited life experience and the lack of a fully functioning brain, which are both things that teenage boys have, since the male brain is still highly developing during those years.

But please, get madder.
#71
Quote by crazysam23_Atax

@Saint78:
I think Nietzsche's full of shit. His ideas have some merit, but the irony is that there's always some people who assume his ideas are the only ideas with merit. Personally, I follow a different set of ideals.
If you like Nietzsche, cool. I don't believe in his philosophy. I don't see an issue with that.


Nope. No issue here.
you're a stone fox
#72
Quote by TunerAddict
My post wasn't addressed to you, I had just thrown you in as an example since you wanted to attack me earlier for having an opinion contrary to yours.

Well, it just seemed to me, since you said:
You know, the shit crazysam shows every time he open his mouth.

that you were making a rather unsubtle dig my way. Also, I don't feel like I personally attacked you. I didn't agree with your position (and still don't). However, neither of us have to agree with each other. So, moving on...

Youthful arrogance. Being 16 and thinking you know it all. That is what I'd classify youthful arrogance as. I'd guess it would have to do with limited life experience and the lack of a fully functioning brain, which are both things that teenage boys have, since the male brain is still highly developing during those years.

That all is certainly true. Most teenage boys (and, to be fair, a lot of male early 20 somethings) seem to think they're invincible and nothing'll ever touch them. Then, when something hurts them emotionally, most of them have a tough time with it. It does get much easier with life experience though.
One thing that forced me to grow the fuck up was flunking out of college (university, for you non-Americans) for the first time. High school was easy for me. I didn't have to do much to maintain a 3.0 gpa (roughly 80-85% grades). College...whole other deal. The first time I realized I actually had to study, I also realized I had no fucking idea how to study. But it's those life lessons that prepare you for the challenges to come. Now, I've a 2-year associate's degree, and I'm working on getting my Bachelors in Computer Science.

But please, get madder.
Not really mad.

Edit:
I guess I'm just saying we all have those tough moments in life, but we all have to move on. Giving up is...well, simply that. It's like, instead of seeing the whole glory of life before you, you see the painful now and go, "I can't make it. You guys go on ahead." But you can't just stop. You have to move on; otherwise, you miss so much. You never get to see how you're adding to the bigger picture, if you just end it all.

Edit2:
I'm pretty sure I've misunderstood you a lot in this thread, TunerAddict. So, if I've been a pretentious dick, I apologize. Hope all's cool in the long run, man?
Last edited by crazysam23_Atax at Sep 23, 2012,
#73
Quote by MattMez


Holy ****.

I haven't heard that song since I was a child, I remember laughing at it with my childhood friend and only laughing at the sunscreen part.

Listening to it and actually understanding the words now is like nostalgia and something else i can't name, but I forgot all about it. Christ

Edit: This thread has torn me to shreds from its relevance to being just outta high school into college and a shitty fast food job with gangbanger managers and co-workers.

I'm outta here man
IN LIFE...



IS DEATH

IN DEATH...


IS DEATH
Last edited by Necro_Theater at Sep 23, 2012,
#74
Quote by Child In Time
Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a ****ing big television, Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin can openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisure wear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suite on hire purchase in a range of ****ing fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the **** you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing ****ing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, ****ed-up brats you have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life . . . But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?

Well done, I was just watching that.
#75
Quote by Saint78
The world is a beautiful place, and I am no longer afraid to die.


Be soft. Do not let the world make you hard. Do not let pain make you hate. Do not let the bitterness steal your sweetness. Take pride that even though the rest of the world may disagree, you still believe it to be a beautiful place.

#78
Quote by TunerAddict
The reason relationship drama is so hurtful to someone when they are young is because of youthful arrogance. You know, the shit crazysam shows every time he open his mouth.

We have the conceptions that THIS girl is the only one. I was the same way. We are so arrogant in our youth to think that, for lack of a better phrase, "this is it." It is short sighted. We cannot see everything else around us. Then you grow up a bit and start to notice all that is out there. You look back on the youthful you and think, "Wow, I was a dumbass."

As long as we have that arrogance, that ego, we cannot be free. You end up caught up in the now and only the now. You try dictating your life into some set story, but the truth is that you don't really control the story here. You are but one person. You can add things and take them away, you can try and you can fail, but ultimately the story of your life is something that is so much greater then simply you, because other people are involved. Things might not go the way you wanted them to, but that doesn't really matter, because the story keeps going. You just have to be willing to go with it.

Shit looked bleak when the Fellowship of the Ring were split up and Boromir was killed, but that didn't stop Frodo, man. He kept on. He did what he had to do.

Thus is life. Obstacles arise, and sometimes small problems look like the end of the world, but in truth they are merely providing you with a new path to take. The thing is, as long as we value ourselves so highly, as long as we let that arrogance and self deceit rule our lives, we will never see that path, all we will see is the wall blocking us on the path we had planned to take.

See the new path, young grasshopper, don't be obsessed with what could have been, look forward to what can be.



This is one truthful post.
...it was bright as the sun, but with ten times the heat
#79
Quote by Spaztikko
Unlike LostLegion, who also lives in Louth, I don't want to possibly be related to TS.

They're two different Louths