Blktiger0
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I've been thinking about swapping out the speakers in my 2x12 for something a little bit different, but I'm not sure what I want. I recently tried a 2x12 with V30s, and I'm not sure I like them. They seemed a bit thin and treble-y for me, but I really didn't change my EQ much when I was messing with them. Overall, I think I would like something a little bit thicker with some more bottom end. I liked the clarity they had, which is my current issue with the stock speakers in my JCA24S cab, which is that they're a little bit muddy and lack some clarity. Also, 2 V30s would probably be a risky choice for a 120w amp, since that's RMS and the peak output would probably be higher. Granted, I don't ever run my amp wide-open, but I don't want to have that risk available. I'm not set on any specific brand, but I will want to at least be able to hear demos of the speakers before I buy them. Here's the basic thread info:

Budget: I'm not really sure. The less I have to pay, the better. I would say no more than $200 - $250, with $300 being my absolute maximum.

Genres: I play Metal in my band, more specifically, Groove/Thrash/Progressive Metal. My biggest influences in terms of guitar would be Mark Morton, Slash, Zakk Wylde, John Petrucci, Alexi Laiho, J.D. Cronise, and Steven Wilson. When it comes to bands that I base my tone off of, Black Label Society, Lamb of God, Hatebreed, Dream Theater, Killswitch Engage, Children of Bodom, Eluveitie, and The Sword are all good examples.

New or Used: I don't honestly care, as long as I can easily get my hands on the gear when I'm ready to buy it. I would prefer new, but It doesn't matter too much.

Home or Gig: Both, but I'm more concerned about my Live tone than my bedroom tone.

Location: Marietta, Ohio; Parkersburg, West Virginia; and Athens, Ohio are all options

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Take a look at the offerings from Eminence. They seem to be developing quite a following. You could look at the Swamp Thang or the Black Powder. They both seem to favor darker tones.
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Don't worry about the peak power blowing speakers. Speaker manufacturers know how tube amps are rated and their speakers are designed to handle peak power. Ideally a guitar speaker will handle 150% of its power rating before failure.

Maybe mix one of your current speakers with 1 v30, that might give you the clarity with the bottom end you're looking for.
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swamp thangs

maybe eminance wizards
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The Eminence Swamp Thang combined with the Man O War is fantastic. Very big sounding and balanced.
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WGS speakers. most are celestions clones BUT unlike chinese made celestions that sell for 150 or so cause if brand name, WGS are made in the USA, sound fantastic, and really are high quality.

i was very impressed, i have yet to hear anybody say anything bad about them.

in fact, if you even send them a nice e-mail stating you are looking to buy WGS, and would like 2 speakers, post your guitar, amp setup, and all the aspects of the tone you want they will make a recommendation for you.

you might even ask for a same pair and a mix pair of 2 speakers. i would include amp wattage and cab type (open back etc).

but yeah i after my very positive experiences with them, and their really high quality speakers i really cant imagine buying speakers from some other place unless another speaker really had some magical tone. WGS are great products.
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Well, after looking into Celestion and Eminence, these are the combos I came up with from those two:

Celestion:
G12T-75
G12K-100

Eminence:
Swamp Thang
Screamin Eagle

Thoughts on these combos?

I did Jensen's Tone Generator thing, which basically is e-mailing them for a recommendation, but via a neat little form they have. I looked at the WGS website, but I haven't emailed them yet. I'll be doing that immediately after I post this reply.
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#10
Quote by Blktiger0
Also, 2 V30s would probably be a risky choice for a 120w amp, since that's RMS and the peak output would probably be higher. Granted, I don't ever run my amp wide-open, but I don't want to have that risk available. I'm not set on any specific brand, but I will want to at least be able to hear demos of the speakers before I buy them. Here's the basic thread info:


you would be fine, speakers can generally take more than there nominal rating much like tube amps can output more than their nominal rating. i ran my PPC212 (with V30's at the time) with my sunn 1200S for quite a while. i cranked the SOB too. while the sunn is rated at 120 watts, i am pretty sure they were sandbagging the nominal output (it runs four 6550's in the power section)

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Budget: I'm not really sure. The less I have to pay, the better. I would say no more than $200 - $250, with $300 being my absolute maximum.

Genres: I play Metal in my band, more specifically, Groove/Thrash/Progressive Metal. My biggest influences in terms of guitar would be Mark Morton, Slash, Zakk Wylde, John Petrucci, Alexi Laiho, J.D. Cronise, and Steven Wilson. When it comes to bands that I base my tone off of, Black Label Society, Lamb of God, Hatebreed, Dream Theater, Killswitch Engage, Children of Bodom, Eluveitie, and The Sword are all good examples.

New or Used: I don't honestly care, as long as I can easily get my hands on the gear when I'm ready to buy it. I would prefer new, but It doesn't matter too much.

Home or Gig: Both, but I'm more concerned about my Live tone than my bedroom tone.

Location: Marietta, Ohio; Parkersburg, West Virginia; and Athens, Ohio are all options

Current Gear: In my sig


i'd recommend a combo of a V30 with a G12K-100. gives a good modern distortion tone, the V30 helps cut with it's mid spike, the K-100 is even and gives good low end. both of them are pretty aggressive, and they compliment each other very well.

i am actually not a big fan of this combo, but i try to give advice i think that suits a person's needs. many people have had good results with this combo playing your styles of music and that is why i recommended this setup

edit: and craig's man-o-war and swampthing combo is really good too. i tried them over his house. punchy as hell
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Quote by gumbilicious
you would be fine, speakers can generally take more than there nominal rating much like tube amps can output more than their nominal rating. i ran my PPC212 (with V30's at the time) with my sunn 1200S for quite a while. i cranked the SOB too. while the sunn is rated at 120 watts, i am pretty sure they were sandbagging the nominal output (it runs four 6550's in the power section)


i'd recommend a combo of a V30 with a G12K-100. gives a good modern distortion tone, the V30 helps cut with it's mid spike, the K-100 is even and gives good low end. both of them are pretty aggressive, and they compliment each other very well.

i am actually not a big fan of this combo, but i try to give advice i think that suits a person's needs. many people have had good results with this combo playing your styles of music and that is why i recommended this setup

edit: and craig's man-o-war and swampthing combo is really good too. i tried them over his house. punchy as hell


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i'd recommend a combo of a V30 with a G12K-100. gives a good modern distortion tone, the V30 helps cut with it's mid spike, the K-100 is even and gives good low end. both of them are pretty aggressive, and they compliment each other very well.

i am actually not a big fan of this combo, but i try to give advice i think that suits a person's needs. many people have had good results with this combo playing your styles of music and that is why i recommended this setup

edit: and craig's man-o-war and swampthing combo is really good too. i tried them over his house. punchy as hell


I honestly have wanted that setup (V30 and K100) in the past, but I'm just not sure if the V30 is a speaker I'm interested in after trying it. I mean, my stock speakers in me Cab are giving me more of what I want than the V30's gave me. If it'll help at all, this is the best description I can give of what I'm looking for:

I want a speaker that has a tight, powerful low end, a clear, snarling mid range with plenty of attack, and a crisp high end that isn't shrill but is still smooth. If I could rate it's darkness/brightness on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being the brightest speaker available and 10 being the darkest, I would want a 7 or 8. I want it to be articulate and have plenty of clarity while still having a lower-mid growl to it and that tight bottom end.

Hopefully that helps and makes sense. It's hard to describe guitar tone in words.

Also, if it helps, I sat here and played/paused/restarted the "Heavy" clips of the Screamin Eagle and Swamp Thang until they lined up and played at pretty much the same time and I really liked that sound. It seemed a bit thick, which was probably due to it being double-tracked and not one track through two speakers, and it lacked the gain that the style of music I play uses, but it seemed close. So far, I would say that's my favorite combo, but I haven't heard demos of the other combo or what Jensen or WGS has to offer. Also, I would prefer to just have one speaker that will give me what I want, since any gig that I'm mic'd at will only be micing one speaker, so the other one is more or less useless.
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#13
^try craig's suggestion then. the man-o-war and swampthing.

i will warn you, when i tried this combo over at his place, i was playing a brigand. so i don't know if i liked the speaker combination so much as i liked the amp (i guess i should have actually brought one of my amps in to try it out). but what i got from his cab while playing it was pretty much what you are describing, maybe a little brighter than a 7 though, but it handled low end just fine.
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Quote by gumbilicious
^try craig's suggestion then. the man-o-war and swampthing.

i will warn you, when i tried this combo over at his place, i was playing a brigand. so i don't know if i liked the speaker combination so much as i liked the amp (i guess i should have actually brought one of my amps in to try it out). but what i got from his cab while playing it was pretty much what you are describing, maybe a little brighter than a 7 though, but it handled low end just fine.


I'll consider it, but I wasn't really digging the Man-O-War when I listened to the clips on their site. I liked the Black Powder more than it, and the Screamin Eagle more than the Black Powder.
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i didn't like the screamin eagle i had.

i like the texas heat.

black mountains are good.

i kinda like the wizards best out of their regular line.
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Something that might help, here are some specific songs that all have tones that are very near what I'm seeking:

Are You Dead Yet? - Children of Bodom
Bed of Razors - Children of Bodom
Desolution - Lamb of God
Ruin - Lamb of God
War is the Answer - Five Finger Death Punch
Fixation on the Darkness - Killswitch Engage
As Diehard As They Come - Hatebreed
Destroy Everything - Hatebreed
Pray for Villains - DevilDriver
Hourglass - Diecast
Outcast - Ektomorf
Two Weeks - All That Remains

Specifically, The Hatebreed stuff, Lamb of God stuff, and Children of Bodom stuff. I like the growl and low end in Outcast and War is the Answer, though. I know some of that is due to their drop-tuning, but some of it is from their speakers and amps, and my amp definitely delivers on the low-end.

EDIT: How are K-100's or Swamp Thangs on their own? Like I said above, if I can keep it to one speaker, that would be optimal, just because of when I'm mic'd up.
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definitely tell WGS those celestion / eminence models when you e-mail them. they do make a lot of celestion clones, so they might have an exact match (like v30 and veteran 30 for example).
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Quote by ikey_
definitely tell WGS those celestion / eminence models when you e-mail them. they do make a lot of celestion clones, so they might have an exact match (like v30 and veteran 30 for example).


In fact, I'm pretty sure I did just that when I e-mailed them. I was pretty thorough about my description.
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Quote by Blktiger0
EDIT: How are K-100's or Swamp Thangs on their own? Like I said above, if I can keep it to one speaker, that would be optimal, just because of when I'm mic'd up.


I'm just a home player and I run a Wampler triple wreck into a black heart handsome devil with a BH 1x12 closed back cab. I changed the speaker to a swamp thang and the bass was really overpowering. It wasn't muddy, but had I to turn the bass on the pedal and the amp down from where I normally kept it. Using the boost function on triple wreck was almost unusable unless the bass was drastically turned down.

I switched to the Jensen electric lighting and it has a strong and tight bottom end without overpowering the mids and treble and there is no muddy ness at all. Clear and articulate even with heavy gain and the mids can be cranked without getting honkey. The speaker sounds great at any volume and any eq setting I dial in.

So basically I'm sticking to my reccomdation of the Jensens and reccomending that you don't get two swamp thangs.
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#20
For what it is worth, I love the Screamin' eagle in my 6505+. Very sweet speaker, cut down on the fizzyness a bunch, it is very focused tight tone. I haven't messed with Swamp Thangs too much, but I love my Texas heats. If you need a big, chunky tone that still can cut, they are really awesome. I would also check out everyone else's offerings, I just wanted to throw my experience in here with eminence ( I'm a fanboy)
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(a) Don't worry about the peak power blowing speakers. Speaker manufacturers know how tube amps are rated and their speakers are designed to handle peak power. Ideally a guitar speaker will handle 150% of its power rating before failure.

(b) Maybe mix one of your current speakers with 1 v30, that might give you the clarity with the bottom end you're looking for.


(a) agreed. well, at least if you're talking about celestions. they're pretty conservatively-rated, and seem to be (for most models) rated for "real world" applications (i.e. one of their 50 watt-rated speakers should be safe with a 50 watt tube amp).

Some other companies aren't rated so conservatively.

(b) yep. there are a couple of nice combos with the v30 which would save you buying two speakers. g12t75 is pretty nice to balance the v30's peaks and troughs; the classic lead gives you a more modern, chunkier tone which also somewhat neutralises the v30s mid peak.

the other thing is, wait until the v30s are broken in. it's not a night and day difference, they still sound like v30s, but they should be a fair bit smoother and sweeter once broken in.

but once they are, if you still don't like them, that's fair enough- i wouldn't say I'm a v30 hater, but i definitely only do like them for certain things.

the other thing i'd say is, when combined with something else, i thought it could change the character of the v30 quite noticeably. So not liking them on their own doesn't guarantee you won't like them combined with something else. At the same time, though, you'd still sorta know there was a v30 in there. So if you utterly loathe them...

I realise that's very little help, lol.

based on what you said, I would maybe try the classic lead first in combination with the v30- assuming the g12k100 doesn't do that better. i haven't tried the g12k100 as it was the wrong impedance- which would be worth bearing in mind for you, too, the g12k100 is only available in 8 ohm impedance, your v30s might not be 8 ohm.

texas heat and swamp thang is very chunky and a good modern metal combo but (a) it massively changes the character of the amp, and might be like cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer (which is why i'd try the classic lead in combo with the v30 first) and (b) the texas heat has a bit of grit/grind in the midrange which I didn't think gelled with all the amps i tried.

the other thign is, i'd have said at least several of the tones you listed (i'm not familiar with most of them) probably are v30s.
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(a) agreed. well, at least if you're talking about celestions. they're pretty conservatively-rated, and seem to be (for most models) rated for "real world" applications (i.e. one of their 50 watt-rated speakers should be safe with a 50 watt tube amp).

Some other companies aren't rated so conservatively.

(b) yep. there are a couple of nice combos with the v30 which would save you buying two speakers. g12t75 is pretty nice to balance the v30's peaks and troughs; the classic lead gives you a more modern, chunkier tone which also somewhat neutralises the v30s mid peak.

the other thing is, wait until the v30s are broken in. it's not a night and day difference, they still sound like v30s, but they should be a fair bit smoother and sweeter once broken in.

but once they are, if you still don't like them, that's fair enough- i wouldn't say I'm a v30 hater, but i definitely only do like them for certain things.

the other thing i'd say is, when combined with something else, i thought it could change the character of the v30 quite noticeably. So not liking them on their own doesn't guarantee you won't like them combined with something else. At the same time, though, you'd still sorta know there was a v30 in there. So if you utterly loathe them...

I realise that's very little help, lol.

based on what you said, I would maybe try the classic lead first in combination with the v30- assuming the g12k100 doesn't do that better. i haven't tried the g12k100 as it was the wrong impedance- which would be worth bearing in mind for you, too, the g12k100 is only available in 8 ohm impedance, your v30s might not be 8 ohm.

texas heat and swamp thang is very chunky and a good modern metal combo but (a) it massively changes the character of the amp, and might be like cracking a walnut with a sledgehammer (which is why i'd try the classic lead in combo with the v30 first) and (b) the texas heat has a bit of grit/grind in the midrange which I didn't think gelled with all the amps i tried.

the other thign is, i'd have said at least several of the tones you listed (i'm not familiar with most of them) probably are v30s.


First of all, I think you might have misunderstood: I don't own V30's or anything with V30's in them. I tried out a cab with V30's in it with my amp (the rhythm guitarist of my band plays a Mesa Rectoverb and has a Mesa Recto 2x12 with V30s) using my amp. His speakers are definitely broken in by now, especially since he bought the cab used. The speakers I'm using are the stock Eminence speakers in my JCA24S.

I do realize that most of the tones I listed are V30s, but most of them lack the low-end I want, and on album recordings and even with the amp mic'd, you don't get the harsh high end that the V30's had, plus most of those albums are probably double-tracked to thicken up the sound.

Like I said, I don't hate the V30's. I loved the clarity and the aggressive midrange, but they seemed a bit thin to me, and the high-end was too harsh and needed smoothed out. After what everyone has been saying about the Swamp Thang, I'm pretty sure two of them wouldn't be a good choice and I'm not sure about even one of them if the bass is that overpowering. I want a strong, tight bass, but not something that puts our bassist to shame. I'm still wondering how two K-100's would do in a 2x12. If it comes down to using a V30, I think I might go with WGS's clone, since they tamed the high end of their version.
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Quote by Blktiger0
(a) First of all, I think you might have misunderstood: I don't own V30's or anything with V30's in them. I tried out a cab with V30's in it with my amp (the rhythm guitarist of my band plays a Mesa Rectoverb and has a Mesa Recto 2x12 with V30s) using my amp. His speakers are definitely broken in by now, especially since he bought the cab used. The speakers I'm using are the stock Eminence speakers in my JCA24S.

(b) I do realize that most of the tones I listed are V30s, but most of them lack the low-end I want, and on album recordings and even with the amp mic'd, you don't get the harsh high end that the V30's had, plus most of those albums are probably double-tracked to thicken up the sound.

(c) Like I said, I don't hate the V30's. I loved the clarity and the aggressive midrange, but they seemed a bit thin to me, and the high-end was too harsh and needed smoothed out. After what everyone has been saying about the Swamp Thang, I'm pretty sure two of them wouldn't be a good choice and I'm not sure about even one of them if the bass is that overpowering. I want a strong, tight bass, but not something that puts our bassist to shame. I'm still wondering how two K-100's would do in a 2x12. If it comes down to using a V30, I think I might go with WGS's clone, since they tamed the high end of their version.


(a) oh right, woops Sorry

(b) ah, that makes more sense. Thanks. That's absolutely fair enough.

(c) I wouldn't say the bass of the swamp thang was overpowering- however, i only play at home, so how it fares when combined with a full band, I dunno.

I haven't tried the WGS- that being said, the one clip i heard comparing the veteran 30 to the vintage 30, i actually thought the vintage 30 was a bit mellower. Of course, you can tell very little from clips, and that's the opposite of how it's meant to be, so maybe it was just that one vid.

EDIT: if you want a chunkier, toned down v30- how about an eminence v12? They don't sound that alike, to be honest (though if you really don't like the v30 as much as you suggest, maybe that's a good thing), but they really toned down my jet city head and sounded pretty good with all the amps i tried them with. cheap, too. And not as much of a "sledgehammer cracking a walnut" solution as the swamp thang or something like that.
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WGS tried to take the ice pick out of the v30. they "smoothed" out the top end a bit. i think this is trying to emulate the british v30s opposed to the chniese v30s which are ice picky.

i would not let it fool you, it still is a v30 clone, so its still going to have mid range and some top end. with a v30 and a reaper in a 2x12, i have no issues cutting through.

its emulating a classic v30 and g12h30....which is a fairly common / classic combo. excdpt mine is better, cause its WGS!
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All things considered, I think I'm probably going to go with a V30/K100 pairing, and if I don't like it, I can always either return the V30, trade it for another speaker, or sell it and buy something else. It's not like V30's are a hard speaker to sell, and I think if I would spend more time with them, I might find that I like them more than I currently do. I really didn't adjust my EQ at all after hooking up to the V30's, so I really didn't give them a fair trial. I think what I might do is buy a V30-loaded 4x12 and buy two K100's to swap with two of the speakers, then throw at least one of those V30's in my 2x12. I've been itching for an excuse to buy a 412 anyway
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OK, so you're not keen on V30's and are looking for something warmer? I can dig that, I don't like V30's much and that's why.

Two completely different things that I'd suggest.
1. http://www.scumbackspeakers.com
Have a look around at what's on offer. They are basically high powered greenbacks. They'll give you a more vintagey sound. Those mated up with your amp would be pretty sweet I'd think.

2. Electro-Voice.
Gary Moore's and Zakk Wylde's choice of speakers. You want warmth? They'll give you warmth.

Just a little lateral thinking for ya.
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im sure they are nice but jesus are those electro voice expensive. like 250+ a peice. if im dropping more than 200 it better be alnico.

scumbacks are great but also bring a premium.

im not sure WGS can be beat for total package : cost. eminence probably a close 2nd.
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i would not let it fool you, it still is a v30 clone, so its still going to have mid range and some top end.


that's kinda what i was thinking when i suggested the eminence v12- they're not really clones, or even all that close. I agree with you- if you really don't like something, a very-slightly-changed version of the same thing might not be enough difference for you. (I say that having not tried the wgs version, though, maybe it is fairly different.)
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naw i mean if you want a v30 its gonna be a v30. it just might not be AS harsh on the top. they aparently smoothed out the top end but really, i would need to A/B the speakers to tell. really, its just a WGS, assembled in the USA, 50% of the cost V30.

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Quote by ikey_
naw i mean if you want a v30 its gonna be a v30. it just might not be AS harsh on the top. they aparently smoothed out the top end but really, i would need to A/B the speakers to tell. really, its just a WGS, assembled in the USA, 50% of the cost V30.

....so like, better in every way.


Honestly, if I go the route of just buying the speakers and installing them, I'll be going with WGS. If I would buy a preloaded 4x12, it'll be Egnater's HG slant cab, which isn't even released yet, so it depends on my funding and patience
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I love my Swamp Thang/Texas Heat combo in the Avatar 2x12 I have. Rolls off the high end perfectly without losing presence, has the mids to cut through and low end for days. I use it with a Mesa F-50 and a Laney GH50L. I'd say the Laney is closer in sound to your JCA, and it really gets along well with said speaker combo.

Again, speakers are really all up to preference. Buy used, try some, flip some, see what you like. I bought my duo after doing research and end up loving it.
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#32
I run a Governor which is Eminence's take on the V 30 (supposedly some of the harsh highs are cut out a bit.) At first, I wasn't sure I liked it -- but after about 30 hours of break-in most of that harshness smoothed out and it developed more low-end. I also probably just got used to the sound. It still has a lot of upper mids and highs though. I've found that I can dial that out as much as I want by simply cutting the highest frequency on my MXR 10 band eq by 3db or so. That speaker really just rips through the mix when it's turned up loud.

If I was going to pair it with another speaker in a 2X12 cab though, I'd probably pair it with something a little more low/low-mid oriented.
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^ i haven't tried the gov, but i'd say that's true with the v30, too. I have some broken-in ones, and some new ones, and the broken-in ones are definitely a lot smoother and less harsh- but they're still v30s, all the same. If you pretty much like brand new v30s but find them a little harsh, then breaking in might do enough, kind of thing. But if you hate them, i doubt breaking them in would make enough difference to suddenly make you love them. Of course, everyone's different, so you can't say these things for sure.

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naw i mean if you want a v30 its gonna be a v30. it just might not be AS harsh on the top. they aparently smoothed out the top end but really, i would need to A/B the speakers to tell.


yep, exactly. I'd be wary of suggesting something which might be so close to a v30 when he said he didn't like the v30. It might not be that close, but it might be, and is it worth the risk?

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I love my Swamp Thang/Texas Heat combo in the Avatar 2x12 I have. Rolls off the high end perfectly without losing presence, has the mids to cut through and low end for days. I use it with a Mesa F-50 and a Laney GH50L. I'd say the Laney is closer in sound to your JCA, and it really gets along well with said speaker combo.

Again, speakers are really all up to preference. Buy used, try some, flip some, see what you like. I bought my duo after doing research and end up loving it.


he only has the jet city cab, he's running an egnater head.

I really didn't like the TH/ST with my jet city head, though- as you said, you'd have thought it'd work, but there was something gritty/grainy in the mids (of the TH, i think) which clashed with the jet city.
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shows how well I read

Yea, I've never played a Jet City outside of Guitar Center....so there's that.
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haha i always skim the things too and normally miss the important bit

half the stuff i've tried i've only had limited try-outs in the shop, so i wouldn't worry about that. you would think the ST and TH would work well with the jet city (certainly i did before i tried them, i thought they'd be the perfect match), just they didn't.
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