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#1
When I say 'old bands' I mean Metallica, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, etc. This is for everyone (those who listen to them and those who don't). This is not an opportunity to slam people, but merely whether you're a bit tired of them. For example, the recent 'Best metal song', or whatever it was, on UG was completely dominated by the 'old bands'. Do you feel that other bands should be given a chance in these votes or do you think that nothing tops them?
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#3
Yes and no.

I think it's kind of important to give to older bands the credit they deserve, and in my honest opinion bands like maiden and priest really do have a lot better material than most "modern" metal bands.

That being said, I also agree that it's stupid and repetitive to live exclusively in the past. Especially when it comes to music. As a result I tend to separate my interest in bands based on the era that they were/are prominent in. When someone asks me what bands I'm into I usually reply "old bands or newer ones?" and then answer accordingly.


Hearing about how awesome hollowed be thy name is for the 50th time can get a little annoying, but on the other hand hollwed be thy name is a pretty awesome song.
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#5
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I don't think timeframe should be considered. Overall quality irrespective of how old they are.

Pretty much this. Older bands deserve their credit for creating the foundations of heavy metal but they are still the best for a reason.

Currently listening to "Metal Storm/Face the Slayer" and I feel the riffs just blow newer releases out of the water.
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#6
While the older bands definitely deserve respect for the genres and timeless songs they created, I personally find a lot of newer bands to be doing really exciting stuff. However, for each good new metal band, you also get Asking Alexandria-esque bands, so it is understandable that newer metal as a whole gets slammed.
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#7
They are the pioneers of the genre who have influenced all of the 'new' bands that currently exist. It isn't their fault that their stuff which was written in the 80s and 90s is a lot better than what is being written now - it is up to the current bands to step up and make music good enough to detract attention from bands like Metallica, Maiden etc.

I also hate the argument with people about 80s guitarists being technically inferior to modern day players with idiots who don't understand that the 80s guitarists pushed the boundaries of playing to the points where modern day guitarists can now absorb their lessons and push it even further.

Iommi isn't a technical genius but f*****g hell can he write riffs!!

I personally won't ever get sick of listening to classic rock and classic metal albums
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#8
**** yes, I got bored. Maiden and Sabbath still work for me, Paranoid and MoR are still listenable on occasion, but the old offers little these days: its already been tapped out long before we even tried. Looking backwards is almost never the way forwards, unless you're looking for the roots of your inspiration.

Most of the new sounds like the old, just computerised and streamlined to a certain formula, or 'revised', then computerised and streamlined. But depends on your source of new and old. Current underground music is almost always going to be more musically fulfilling than whatever is the highest selling album this week, and that has been the case in any decade for any genre.
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#9
Quote by Darkness in Zero
While the older bands definitely deserve respect for the genres and timeless songs they created, I personally find a lot of newer bands to be doing really exciting stuff. However, for each good new metal band, you also get Asking Alexandria-esque bands, so it is understandable that newer metal as a whole gets slammed.

For every old band that people still worship, there existed a band just as shitty as current Asking Alexandria type bands. Bad bands have always existed, it's just that nobody remembers them.
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#10
Yes, I understand what you guys talk about when I say 'old'. I just didn't know how to class those bands. I could call them classics, but then some may argue whether they are... Well, I only want to know opinions =)
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#11
Quote by Laith5
make music good enough to detract attention from bands like Metallica, Maiden etc.


Er, there are quite a few bands better than those two. They haven't detracted attention away from the mainstream canon of metal bands because having a position in the canon has slight if any relation to quality.
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#12
I rarely get permanently tired of the bands I like, but it's not uncommon for me to just not be in the mood for particular bands.

This, IMO, is why it's a good idea to have broader musical tastes, both by listening to different styles of music and listening to several different takes on the same style. Want traditional metal, but not in the mood for Iron Maiden? That's cool, I can turn to Christian Mistress or Motorhead or Dawnbringer or Slough Feg or Manilla Road instead. Don't want traditional metal? Well, I've got a lot of prog, psych, some jazz, funk, and hip-hop, some neofolk, and a little electronic... oh yeah, and every other style of metal under the sun.

Having options is good.
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#13
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For every old band that people still worship, there existed a band just as shitty as current Asking Alexandria type bands. Bad bands have always existed, it's just that nobody remembers them.

So the question then...in 15 years, will bands like Killswitch or Lamb Of God or Periphery be looked at like Metallica or Slayer or Meshuggah? Or will they just disappear?
Just kinda adding a question to the thread.
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#14
Quote by Darkness in Zero
So the question then...in 15 years, will bands like Killswitch or Lamb Of God or Periphery be looked at like Metallica or Slayer or Meshuggah? Or will they just disappear?
Just kinda adding a question to the thread.


They will be remembered by people with shitty taste in music but forgotten by the metal community because they had no relevance to it.
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Well, I've got a lot of prog, psych, some jazz, funk, and hip-hop, some neofolk, and a little electronic..


Disappointed to see this making a comeback

On topic I will never have a problem with listening to Iron Maiden
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A good band is a good band. Like Scourge said, just cuz I don't wanna listen to Sabbath now doesn't mean that I wont in a month or a year or what ever.

I think older bands DO get worshipped a little too much sometimes. It's like the argument that pop music is worse now than it was 70 years ago. It only seems that way cuz you don't remember the crap. I mean Sabbath in their time released lots of awful (by report) music for example. I vaguely remember reading about a nu-metal-esque track, luckily I've not heard it xD

I can't imagine the two mixing well.
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#19
Quote by Scourge441
I rarely get permanently tired of the bands I like, but it's not uncommon for me to just not be in the mood for particular bands.

This, IMO, is why it's a good idea to have broader musical tastes, both by listening to different styles of music and listening to several different takes on the same style. Want traditional metal, but not in the mood for Iron Maiden? That's cool, I can turn to Christian Mistress or Motorhead or Dawnbringer or Slough Feg or Manilla Road instead. Don't want traditional metal? Well, I've got a lot of prog, psych, some jazz, funk, and hip-hop, some neofolk, and a little electronic...

Having options is good.


This. I hate it when people say things like "Yea I used to listen to them but got tired of'em so I've moved on now" and things like that. Why be so narrow minded? Why not build up a broad palette of bands and genres to draw from? But anyway I agree with your general philosophy.
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#20
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Old generally surpasses the new in almost all circumstances... so no.

(but, we are not thinking of the same "old" )


Definitely true.

I sometimes get into a mood of searching for newer bands or some older obscure bands that I never got around to listen to, but still, often I end up listening to the older, more familiar (to me atleast) bands - kinda like how comfort food feels like.
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#21
I've got a problem with people claiming the old bands were the only real metal bands and that anything new or different sucks.

I like plenty of "old" bands, though I'm not a NWOBHM fan, but what people often seem to forget is that those bands were the beginnings. Newer bands are blurring the lines between metal and other genres, and that's a damn good thing. Refusing to call a band metal just because they don't follow the cookie-cutter outline of the old bands is retarded.
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#23
I'm more of the opposite. I really tend to dislike this whole overproduction:everything needs to be perfect-attitude alot of bands carry nowadays, like Testament did with DROE. A shame really, especially because of the raw metal that is (or used to be) thrash. It all sounds too polished and slick for my taste.

Then again that has more to do with music production in general, but still, I pity it.
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I'm with Corey on this one. If you only ever listen to bands that follow the blueprint of old bands, then you're contributing to the stagnation of the genre. That, and you're losing out on the spirit that made revolutionary bands so exciting. That's not to say that any given era of music is inherently superior - good bands are good bands. Seniority has nothing to do with it.
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#25
I think "old bands" is misleading, because in a certain light the old bands were "new bands" when first revolutionized the scene. Many of these "new bands" haven't revolutionized anything, but merely reiterated or even degraded what the original bands initially laid out.
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#26
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What's making a comeback and why is it disappointing?


A little bit of jazzical, you know, on the side

Everyone knows other people listen to all sorts
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#27
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I think "old bands" is misleading, because in a certain light the old bands were "new bands" when first revolutionized the scene. Many of these "new bands" haven't revolutionized anything, but merely reiterated or even degraded what the original bands initially laid out.

Fair point, which is why I feel it's important to distinguish forward thinking (not necessarily progressive, mind you) from bands that are more tradition bound as well as by the quality of their output as opposed to merely sticking them in an age bracket and calling it a day.

For example, if I heard a young band today that sounded like NSV-era Cryptopsy, I'd be impressed, but I'd be more impressed if they could take that sound and make it their own rather and merely pay homage rather than become a carbon copy.
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A little bit of jazzical, you know, on the side

Everyone knows other people listen to all sorts


You say that, but I know people who ONLY listen to entry level Metal/Metalcore.
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You say that, but I know people who ONLY listen to entry level Metal/Metalcore.

I can respect that when people actually try to branch out, but being closeminded about music is so alien to me. It's so weird to me to think about listening exclusively to one style of music when there are so many out there to pick and choose from.
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I'm with Corey on this one. If you only ever listen to bands that follow the blueprint of old bands, then you're contributing to the stagnation of the genre. That, and you're losing out on the spirit that made revolutionary bands so exciting. That's not to say that any given era of music is inherently superior - good bands are good bands. Seniority has nothing to do with it.

In their defense, there are so many awesome revivalist bands these days. They may not be recapturing the revolutionary aspect of it, but they're definitely recapturing something that a lot of the modern bands were missing.

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Simply stating examples. Not trying to gloat.
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In their defense, there are so many awesome revivalist bands these days. They may not be recapturing the revolutionary aspect of it, but they're definitely recapturing something that a lot of the modern bands were missing.

Agreed on that as well - that's why I think that artists should be judged on the quality of their output as well as originality of thought.
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I hardly listen to any metal before the mid 90s, and I couldn't care less. I've spent 7 odd years going from genre to genre trying to absorb as much as I can, and even though I've missed thousands and thousands of bands, I've still heard enough to be rather confident when I say that old METAL sucks pretty hard. I can respect the "pioneer" argument completely, I can respect the "they pushed boundaries so we don't have to" argument, but at the end of the day, I can't think of a single metal band pre-1996 that I would class as anything other than adequate.

When I'm left with Devin Townsend's career, Genghis Tron, anything Vladimir Cochet has done (Mirrorthrone, Weeping Birth, etc), Between the Buried and Me, Destroy Erase Improve-era Meshuggah (and onwards), The Ocean, SikTh, uneXpecT, The Black Dahlia Murder, Shadow of the Colossus, and yes, even the BETTER bands of the deathcore and djent scene like Periphery, Corelia, Ascariasis, TesseracT, Fallujah, The Red Chord....

It's all opinions, everyone gets to like whatever they want, but in the metal scene overall, I've always felt at a loss as to why the "older" bands are still revered so highly (apart from the pioneer thing).

edit: And this doesn't even cover the hardcore scene, which is producing some of my favourite music of all time. Verse, Defeater, La Dispute, Shipwreck A.D., Carpathian, Converge, The Carrier... All a thousand times more interesting than most older metal I've ever heard. And then there's Zappa....
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#34
...well there's the whole being true to the spirit thing
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#35
Quote by Magero
It's all opinions, everyone gets to like whatever they want, but in the metal scene overall, I've always felt at a loss as to why the "older" bands are still revered so highly (apart from the pioneer thing).
You said it yourself. They're revered so highly because a lot of people's opinions differ from your's. Simple as. I don't know which "side" is more popular on this in reality, but it seems the old schooler's are more vocal about their view. Or then maybe I've just been subjected to this view more frequently.
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#36
I've been of the opinion for many years that death metal is like Tinkerbell, and if all the old school metal fans stop saying Trey "I still wear studded leather pants and sneakers" Azagthoth is a revolutionary genius, the entire genre will die.


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#39
I like music that tickles my fancy
Magero likes music that tickles his fancy
This is fine with me

Anyways dumb thread.
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#40
Never get tired of them These are Gods and always will be, even when the world will die after 1000 years, these old bands will remain
Agree?
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