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#41
Quote by chronowarp
Just in general.
Everyone seems to be an expert on what works and what doesn't, yet I have a feeling most of the people here couldn't play fast & clean if they had a gun to their head.

That's the nature of the internet, though. It'd be a lot more fruitful for the OP, because then he'd know whose advice to take seriously.


Dude! I have mp3s on my profile. Not good enough?

The solo on Oxidation rocks by the way!
#42
Ya, it's alright. I wonder how I pulled off that fast lick at the end considering I just full blasted it instead of spending 4 weeks building it up from 10 BPM to 180 BPM.
#44
Quote by chronowarp
Ya, it's alright. I wonder how I pulled off that fast lick at the end considering I just full blasted it instead of spending 4 weeks building it up from 10 BPM to 180 BPM.


if you were to stop using a pick you could play twice as quickly
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#46
what about your thumb and pinky

you're not being economical
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#47
Quote by Hail
what about your thumb and pinky

you're not being economical

that would require that I drop my pick, which isn't economically, because then i'd have to regrip it.

You can equivalently do everything u can do with PIMA if you do pick + ma + pinky. granted it's not timbrally the same, but it doesn't really matter when you're playing high gain on an electric guitar anyway. You can't really chunk-flicka and get the same attack without a pick anyway.
#48
Quote by chronowarp
that would require that I drop my pick, which isn't economically, because then i'd have to regrip it.

You can equivalently do everything u can do with PIMA if you do pick + ma + pinky. granted it's not timbrally the same, but it doesn't really matter when you're playing high gain on an electric guitar anyway. You can't really chunk-flicka and get the same attack without a pick anyway.


why do you need a pick

you so can, you're just not trying hard enough
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#49
Quote by Hail
why do you need a pick

you so can, you're just not trying hard enough


essential for the dig and attack of rock guitar.

If you can find me someone who can play yngwie malmsteen-esque lines on a high gain- electric guitar without a pick, or any notable alt/punk player that can get the ker chicka lunk of fast, palm muted high- guitar without a pick then you might have a foothold in your shit-troll argument.
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#50
Quote by chronowarp
essential for the dig and attack of rock guitar.

If you can find me someone who can play yngwie malmsteen-esque lines on a high gain- electric guitar without a pick, or any notable alt/punk player that can get the ker chicka lunk of fast, palm muted high- guitar without a pick then you might have a foothold in your shit-troll argument.


tosin
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#51
Quote by chronowarp
essential for the dig and attack of rock guitar.

If you can find me someone who can play yngwie malmsteen-esque lines on a high gain- electric guitar without a pick, or any notable alt/punk player that can get the ker chicka lunk of fast, palm muted high- guitar without a pick then you might have a foothold in your shit-troll argument.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSgx3FsxWc&feature=channel&list=UL

Quote by chronowarp
Just in general.
Everyone seems to be an expert on what works and what doesn't, yet I have a feeling most of the people here couldn't play fast & clean if they had a gun to their head.

That's the nature of the internet, though. It'd be a lot more fruitful for the OP, because then he'd know whose advice to take seriously.


I can play faster than you.

TS should listen to me and not you.

good argument.

(BTW I can and TS should listen to me cause I'm a baus)
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#53
Quote by griffRG7321
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSgx3FsxWc&feature=channel&list=UL


I can play faster than you.

TS should listen to me and not you.

good argument.

(BTW I can and TS should listen to me cause I'm a baus)


He can pull it off, but the timbre of his 'picking' is totally not something I can dig or ever would want to do myself. He executes everything else great, but when he does the fast lines it suffers. Nevertheless, the fact that the he's using the side of his finger exactly like a pick is sort of a moot point, because at point he's essentially using the same technique as if one were to use a pick.. I'm assuming hails troll-criticism was related to i-m-i-m-i-m fast lines like paco de lucia or something, which I've never seen somebody do with success on a high gain electric guitar, and is what I was part of what I was referring to.

Good player though.

Cough up a video of you playing fast...and then we can talk.
The issue to me is people one-upping each other (like Hail) discrediting viable options because its something they read on ultimate guitar, when they, infact, can't really play the guitar or even execute the technique they're attempting to give advice on how to accomplish. I've seen it before. I'm not new to the internets.
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#54
Quote by chronowarp

WHAT IS THIS THING

IN
HIS
HAND


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1OPV8mHl2w

picks are so 2009

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The issue to me is people one-upping each other (like Hail) discrediting viable options because its something they read on ultimate guitar, when they, infact, can't really play the guitar or even execute the technique they're attempting to give advice on how to accomplish. I've seen it before. I'm not new to the internets.


and from literally every guitar teacher i had back in the day when i didn't play superior instruments like bass
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Last edited by Hail at Sep 29, 2012,
#55
lolbass

the funny thing is that I think we believe the same exact thing, you just chose to cling onto one aside in my entire post and treat it as if that was my entire point.

I didn't say PLAY IT SLOPPY AS SHIT THEN TRY TO CLEAN IT UP WITHOUT LEARNING THE FUNDAMENTALS. I told the kid he's going to hit a brickwall if he only linearly increases speed, which is true. It's a mental and physical barrier that comes from the nuanced adjustments that need to be made when playing above a certain threshold. If something is ingrained into your muscle memory, then you clearly have learned the mechanics of whatever it is you're trying to do, and you shouldn't be developing bad habits if you occasionally force yourself to attempt and become comfortable at faster speeds.
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#56
That video is way too lo-fi to tell, but half the song he's playing a slap guitar riff (why would he need a pick for that). But whenever he plays a fast single note line you can see his hand in a picking position (thumb + index)...can't particularly tell if he has one with the video quality, but I see him motion like he's grabbing his pick from his mouth multiple times in the vid.
#57
Quote by chronowarp


Cough up a video of you playing fast...and then we can talk.
The issue to me is people one-upping each other (like Hail) discrediting viable options because its something they read on ultimate guitar, when they, infact, can't really play the guitar or even execute the technique they're attempting to give advice on how to accomplish. I've seen it before. I'm not new to the internets.


>griffs profile
>Evo challenge
>That MP3 was about 3 years ago
>Go figure

In defence of Hail, you don't need to play a particular instrument to know that slow controlled practice leads to good technique which over time leads to being able to play fast.
#58
Quote by griffRG7321
>griffs profile
>Evo challenge
>That MP3 was about 3 years ago
>Go figure

In defence of Hail, you don't need to play a particular instrument to know that slow controlled practice leads to good technique which over time leads to being able to play fast.


But if he played the guitar he would know. Picks change the way the strings sound. And he wouldn't be acting like chomo over there should put his pick down..he should know why guitar players use a pick to begin with.

like someone arguing with Eddie van halen telling him, he should quit using his pick its not economical.

I think its important to learn as many techniques as you can. even if you feel like it will slow you down, after you get the hang of it. its worth it, and you'll be all around a skilled player.
#59
Quote by metalmetalhead
But if he played the guitar he would know. Picks change the way the strings sound. And he wouldn't be acting like chomo over there should put his pick down..he should know why guitar players use a pick to begin with.
Indeed they do. Not only that, but different pick materials and thicknesses produce much different tonalities. The effect is most pronounced though, when playing acoustics, or electrics clean.

"Hybrid picking" is worth investing some time and effort learning. Listening to Richard Thompson's mastery of the technique would bear that out. (T +I hold the pick, M & R finger pick). Although his Celtic flavored music may not be everybody's cup of tea.

Quote by metalmetalhead
like someone arguing with Eddie van halen telling him, he should quit using his pick its not economical.
Wazza matta? You don't think the "experts" at UG could teach Eddie a thing or two? That's "cyberblasphemy"!
Who knows, they might even turn him into a megastar!

And believe you me, some of our experts know how to put the "ass", in "blasphemy"..
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#60
Quote by griffRG7321
>griffs profile
>Evo challenge
>That MP3 was about 3 years ago
>Go figure

In defence of Hail, you don't need to play a particular instrument to know that slow controlled practice leads to good technique which over time leads to being able to play fast.

Didn't hear anything fast or tech on your profile, but I did like those short little blues clips. You have good dynamics and articulation.
#61
Quote by chronowarp
I told the kid he's going to hit a brickwall if he only linearly increases speed, which is true


when you tell a beginner who isn't practicing properly "well you'll hit a brick wall later if you do it the slow, right way so here's this thing to break up the monotony" they're not going to bother with the fundamentals. ask my sweeping technique from like 30 years ago, it's just better to fight through it until you're confident enough in your own ability to make those kinds of calls.

the goal is to teach people to teach themselves, and they need to put in the hours of fundamentals so they don't run into RSI, poor economy of motion, and sloppy technique in a few years. once he's got two or three songs up to speed properly (within a musical context), he'll probably not even need to mess with a metronome outside of a particularly tricky part, and if he's just running up and down scales, it's important for him to ask "why am i trying to play fast, and what kind of music am i aiming to play" because it may well be a waste of his time to play fast without musical context if he doesn't plan on writing music centric to exercises.
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#62
I think you're right, in the case of a beginner. But the OP said he's been playing for 4 years. I would think someone at that level would have the fundamentals down.
#63
if he can't play what he needs to play and isn't self-sufficient, i'd say he's a beginner, regardless of time consumption

it's a demeaning label, but it's the only real way to put it. unless he's properly been on a regimen for the last year, especially if guitar is his first instrument, it's hard to say he's functional in a setting beyond exploring his own boundaries (which is basically what he's doing now). i've met people who've been playing for 10+ years who can barely strum cowboy chords
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#64
the best thing to remember is less movement keep your fingers close to the strings, and relax your hand if you tare tense you wont move as fast as you could. and practices slow and frequently
#65
Quote by chronowarp
Didn't hear anything fast or tech on your profile, but I did like those short little blues clips. You have good dynamics and articulation.


The track 'evo challenge' has shredding at the end.

And thanks, those Mp3s are old though.
#66
Souldn't this be in the Guitar Technique forum? o_O
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#68
Quote by Markisawesome
Souldn't this be in the Guitar Technique forum? o_O


But then it wouldn't be nearly as entertaining!
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#72
Quote by explosion231
Hey guys, can someone give me advice on playing fast?? I've been playing for 4 years now, and i never quite liked shredding and stuff, but now i've been trying to use it...i can play some fast stuff, like the solo of master of puppets or some parts of sweet child oh mine...But when i start to shred, it sounds really sloppy and changing between the strings with my right hand its very dficult.

Thanks for the help guys, Apreciate it

play accurate, and play often. speed will come.

find some scale sequence patterns and practice them every day. make sure you are playing accurately. you should also spend at least an hour a day improvising over backing tracks or songs and trying to apply these patterns into your solos. and again, be sure to be accurate. most of my practice now is just playing. but i used to do half structured practice, half improv. but now i practice scales less these days as i am just practicing stuff i already know. i still practice scales and stuff when warming up, but i try to keep things a little more creative. you don't want to just be able to play exercises with no real musical value.

but anyway, i find the more i focus on phrasing and note choice, the more tasteful my playing sounds, even when playing faster licks. another thing would be to learn some fast repeating licks. they sound cool, are easy to do, and give you a couple of "go to licks" to call on if you just feel like hearing a flurry of notes. they are pretty easy to find lessons for and make yourself. just try to find musical phrases that loop around and around. that's all you need for repeating licks. maybe even try moving it to other areas in the scale. that's basically what scale sequences are; short musical phrases you repeat through out a scale. most fast licks are based on this really.

also make sure you aren't tensing up either of your hands or arms. you want to stay loose. staying loose means you have control over what you are doing. again, accuracy. you shouldn't need any more force than what is needed to play the note. obviously there are times you need to grip more or pick harder but with picking, try to let the weight of your hand and pick do most of the work. look up eric johnson and his lessons. his pick technique is what i use mostly and i find it helps in staying loose. i use a lot of his phrasing ideas too.
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