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Shadowofravenwo
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Just noticed I can get either guitar for $850, which is a steal for a Gibson. I didn't realize that you could get one new in Canada for under a grand (used is not an option. I'm not doing that to myself in the area where I live). Either would be tuned to Eb, and the pickups swapped out for Seymour Duncan Alnico Pro II's in all likelihood (ya, I know). Which one would probably be the better option? The Gibson has some bling value, but I'm not sure of the quality at that price. Godin's are very nice Canadian made guitars. Any thoughts beyond go play them myself, which I intend to.
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No knock on Gibsons, but Godin tends to deliver a lot of bang for the buck.
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I would probably go with the Godin. I've played a couple of Core's, and they sound very nice and definitely play better than cheaper gibsons (the lp juniors I've played haven't been great. not bad, but there are better guitars for the money).
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Godin hands down, haven't played a core but I've tried a few of their other models and they are top notch. No offense to Gibson but most are totally overpriced and don't deliver the quality you would expect for how much you payed.
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I would probably go with the Godin. I've played a couple of Core's, and they sound very nice and definitely play better than cheaper gibsons (the lp juniors I've played haven't been great. not bad, but there are better guitars for the money).


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I don't really like the lp jr at all. They're too light and "feel" cheap.

If you were comparing it to a studio then maybe the Gibson may be a competitor, but IMO Core > lp junior.
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Nice.

Would they have a Les Paulish sound to them?

I haven't been impressed with most Gibson's I've seen. Most of the guys at the shop where I get my work done, agree, Gibson's ain't what they use to be. They aren't bad, they are still good, just not sure if they are worth the price.

Yeah, the Cores feel real nice. I can't tell the difference between my Washburn's neck, a Gibson neck, and a Godin neck. They all feel real good.
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Gibson still makes fantastic guitars, but the LP Jr. probably isn't what you're looking for.
It's a bare-bones blues/rock/punk-guitar, it doesn't have the "classic" Les Paul tone with the single P90 and without the maple cap. IMO it's probably the better guitar of it's own kind if you compare it to stuff like a PRS SE One or something.

I'd say get a Godin Core HB. I played a bunch of Godin Cores and they all sounded, felt and played very well. The necks remind me more of a modern Fender profile than a Gibson type profile, which I find very comfortable (I'm currently a Strat-player myself). The necks are not too thick and not as wide as Gibson necks, which is kind of why a lot of people including myself could find the Godin's neck more comfortable. The satin-finish on the neck feels great as well and the whole Core-range looks much better in person than on the fotos, they have a very sleek and simple look to them. Upper fret access isn't amazing, but that's almost always like that on LP-style guitars.
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Nice.

Would they have a Les Paulish sound to them?
According to this page at Godin: http://www.godinguitars.com/godininfo.htm the "Core", and their other electrics already have Seymour Duncan humbuckers in them.

Given the woods and construction methods that go into the "Core" series, I can't imagine that they could possibly avoid sounding a lot like a Les Paul!
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To me the Core series sounds a bit bitier and more aggressive than their Gibson counterparts (probably because of the slightly thinner body), at least the P90 version did, could be the pickups as well though.
That shouldn't be a problem if you're looking for a Slash-type tone (which I think you do as you want Alnico II Pros in your guitar ) and Alnico II PUs are generally rather softer sounding pickups anyway, so it will work just right IMO.
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Gibson still makes fantastic guitars, but the LP Jr. probably isn't what you're looking for.
It's a bare-bones blues/rock/punk-guitar, it doesn't have the "classic" Les Paul tone with the single P90 and without the maple cap. IMO it's probably the better guitar of it's own kind if you compare it to stuff like a PRS SE One or something.

I'd say get a Godin Core HB. I played a bunch of Godin Cores and they all sounded, felt and played very well. The necks remind me more of a modern Fender profile than a Gibson type profile, which I find very comfortable (I'm currently a Strat-player myself). The necks are not too thick and not as wide as Gibson necks, which is kind of why a lot of people including myself could find the Godin's neck more comfortable. The satin-finish on the neck feels great as well and the whole Core-range looks much better in person than on the fotos, they have a very sleek and simple look to them. Upper fret access isn't amazing, but that's almost always like that on LP-style guitars.


Gibson makes a good guitar for sure. But what they are noticing is little details are slipping (like a guitar neck not being bound) to electronics not work or in one case not even wired up. Stuff happens for sure, but when you pay 1000+ for a guitar, you expect quality.
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According to this page at Godin: http://www.godinguitars.com/godininfo.htm the "Core", and their other electrics already have Seymour Duncan humbuckers in them.

Given the woods and construction methods that go into the "Core" series, I can't imagine that they could possibly avoid sounding a lot like a Les Paul!


That's what I thought based on shape and such. But, marketing is one thing, reality is another.

I did miss they already had Seymour Duncan Humbucks in them though. Have to do more research.
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Just noticed I can get either guitar for $850, which is a steal for a Gibson. I didn't realize that you could get one new in Canada for under a grand (used is not an option. I'm not doing that to myself in the area where I live). Either would be tuned to Eb, and the pickups swapped out for Seymour Duncan Alnico Pro II's in all likelihood (ya, I know). Which one would probably be the better option? The Gibson has some bling value, but I'm not sure of the quality at that price. Godin's are very nice Canadian made guitars. Any thoughts beyond go play them myself, which I intend to.

Slash!!!


I have Seymour Duncan Alnico II Pro Humbuckers in my 1996 Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul Standard, and I have it tuned to Eb too... What are the odds?
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To me the Core series sounds a bit bitier and more aggressive than their Gibson counterparts (probably because of the slightly thinner body), at least the P90 version did, could be the pickups as well though.
That shouldn't be a problem if you're looking for a Slash-type tone (which I think you do as you want Alnico II Pros in your guitar ) and Alnico II PUs are generally rather softer sounding pickups anyway, so it will work just right IMO.


I'm not going to a complete copy, but I just love his tone. So why no go with what I like? I'm still aiming for a Traynor Ironhorse head and Darkhorse 2x12, so I won't have a carbon copy of his tone. Marshall combo's are just too expensive, and too heavy to move to jam.

While we are on the subject of the Alnico II Pro pickups, I'm thinking about putting a pair in my Washburn MG-44 super strat style guitar. It would be standard E tuned. Would those work well, or are the Alnico's biased towards the Eb tuning?
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These pickups aren't biased towards Eb tuning.
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Slash!!!


I have Seymour Duncan Alnico II Pro Humbuckers in my 1996 Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul Standard, and I have it tuned to Eb too... What are the odds?


Apparently pretty good. He was the reason I wanted a guitar in the first place. Too bad life got in the way, I lost 17 years of playing time.
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These pickups aren't biased towards Eb tuning.


Ok, I wasn't sure if it was like EMGs which seem to sound better (or maybe I like to those tunings more) with Eb tuning or lower.
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I also have the Zakk Wylde EMG set I had put into a guitar with a 250k SH-124 Shadow Kill Pot...

I like to play in all sorts of keys though. Eb, E, D, C# C...
For C though, I like Ernie Ball Power Slinkys.
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Gibson makes a good guitar for sure. But what they are noticing is little details are slipping (like a guitar neck not being bound) to electronics not work or in one case not even wired up. Stuff happens for sure, but when you pay 1000+ for a guitar, you expect quality.

Quality is not measured by how much binding is on the guitar.
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The P90 version of the Core series does come with Duncan pups (P90, obviously). The HB model, on the other end, comes with Godin humbuckers (Godin Nitro Humbuckers).

I have no experience with Godin HBs, but the single coils in my Velocity sound quite nice. I never felt the need to change them yet after 5+ years of using it as my main (95%+) guitar.
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Quality is not measured by how much binding is on the guitar.

It is if you are paying for binding and didn't get any.
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It is if you are paying for binding and didn't get any.

Why would you pay for binding and never get any? That's so retarded its unheard of.
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Ok, I wasn't sure if it was like EMGs which seem to sound better (or maybe I like to those tunings more) with Eb tuning or lower.
You're dealing with a 1/12 octave shift in center frequency when you tune to Eb standard.

Low E on the guitar is about 80 Hz. So, a 1/2 step away from that should be well within the bandwidth of most any pickup.

I expect it an "aural illusion" of heaviness due to the lower frequency, rather than issues with pickups.

OTOH, I would expect that it would have more effect on the loudspeakers. Enough to matter? Not sure, but I suppose that would depend on the size of the speakers, and both their resonant frequency and that of their enclosures.

Besides, the metal delinquents , (and I mean that with the utmost respect), are tuning way down as low as B, and playing 8 strings.
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Why would you pay for binding and never get any? That's so retarded its unheard of.


As in, you ordered a guitar with binding, and the guitar you received did not have it.

Which could happen if 1) the guitar sent was the wrong one, or 2) if it was a factory reject that accidentally got sent out as passing inspection. (Seen both.)

Each is indicative of someone not doing their job properly, but the latter is indicative of deeper QC issues.
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Why would you pay for binding and never get any? That's so retarded its unheard of.


The money that would go towards the time and materials to bind the neck of a low end Paul, goes into the paychecks of the high priced American workers employed by Gibson.

So, that's your contribution to "made in the USA". Tough it out with your crappy unbound neck and be happy.

Even a lowly Ibanez ART100 comes with a bound neck, and they cost about $300.00.

And to continue my unpatriotic rant, an Ibanez ART100, is probably fairly close to being as good as a low end Paul.

Stay tuned as Gibson produces Les Paul knockoffs in the US. Hey, it saves the expense of shipping them in from China....

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The money that would go towards the time and materials to bind the neck of a low end Paul, goes into the paychecks of the high priced American workers employed by Gibson.

So, that's your contribution to "made in the USA". Tough it out with your crappy unbound neck and be happy.

Even a lowly Ibanez ART100 comes with a bound neck, and they cost about $300.00.

And to continue my unpatriotic rant, an Ibanez ART100, is probably fairly close to being as good as a low end Paul.

Stay tuned as Gibson produces Les Paul knockoffs in the US. Hey, it saves the expense of shipping them in from China....

Yes, I do feel much better after getting that off my chest! Thanks for asking.

Are you a troll or just really moronic?

You do know that a lot of Gibson models never traditionally came with binding on the necks right?
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Are you a troll or just really moronic?
Gosh, you're only going to condescend to giving me two choices to pick from? Most multiple choice questions get at least A, B, C, D, or E, all of the above.

Although, right off the top of my head, I'd hazard a guess that you're not really qualified to give me an IQ test.

I'm apparently someone who hurts Gibson fanboi's feelings...

Still, gingerbread costs money, a Gibson leaves it off low end models to cut production costs. That's fact. And when they put it on, it drives the price of a Les Paul Custom well over three grand Which, if I've interpreted the demeanor of this thread, is more than 3 times the TS' budget.

Now, run along and continue on trying to out clever Danny with that segment of the binding dialog. If I didn't know better, (and you wouldn't deny it), it would seem you're trying to troll him.
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Gosh, you're only going to condescend to giving me two choices to pick from? Most multiple choice questions get at least A, B, C, D, or E, all of the above.

Although, right off the top of my head, I'd hazard a guess that you're not really qualified to give me an IQ test.

I'm apparently someone the hurts Gibson fanboi's feelings...

Are you honestly telling me that a $300 ART100 is better than a JP6 (for instance) because an ART has binding on it?
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2) if it was a factory reject that accidentally got sent out as passing inspection. (Seen both.)

If the guy who did the QC inspection was as blind as a bat perhaps.
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Are you honestly telling me that a $300 ART100 is better than a JP6 (for instance) because an ART has binding on it?
It seems you can't read, at least not that well.
This is what I said:
Even a lowly Ibanez ART100 comes with a bound neck, and they cost about $300.00.

And to continue my unpatriotic rant, an Ibanez ART100, is probably fairly close to being as good as a low end Paul.
What tripped you up, too many adverbs?

But yeah, you slap a pair of Seymour Duncan PAFs on an ART 100 and you've got a decent guitar.

I will say, they put the controls in a funny place on the ART series. To avoid a Gibson lawsuit, I suppose. And the jumbo frets of the Gibby get the nod to being better also.
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Your original argument is that you were mad because Gibson don't put binding on their LP Studios though. So then you turn around and suggest that an ART100 is a better guitar for the reason that it has binding on it.

Let me rephrase that into your rhetoric.

"Apparantly a $300 guitar can be magically made better than a $1000 guitar because it has binding on the neck. Of course, ignoring the fact that many Gibsons (and Fenders, Musicman etc) never originally had bound necks (Flying V's, Explorers, LP Studio's, LP Jr's, Firebirds and so on), fuck those guitars, my ART100 has binding on the fingerboard! Oh, you just bought yourself a Musicman JP7 with a rosewood neck? HA! Loser! Get an ART! It has a plastic piece of binding on the neck which makes it 3 times the guitar it really is!"

Can you understand now how ridiculous you are sounding?
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If the guy who did the QC inspection was as blind as a bat perhaps.


And yet, as I have said, I have seen it happen. It wasn't on my guitar- it was a buddy's- and a polite but firm letter got him the option of a replacement or a partial refund. He took the latter.

Hell- I once got a 2HB limited edition guitar when I ordered the 3HB version of it. They actually had the regional rep deliver the correct guitar to me in person. In addition, he offered me the 2HB one at a significant discount- they didn't want those guitars going back to the factory. I declined the offer. Even discounted, I couldn't afford the other one in addition to what I was buying.
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Your original argument is that you were mad because Gibson don't put binding on their LP Studios though. So then you turn around and suggest that an ART100 is a better guitar for the reason that it has binding on it.

Let me rephrase that into your rhetoric.

"Apparantly a $300 guitar can be magically made better than a $1000 guitar because it has binding on the neck. Of course, ignoring the fact that many Gibsons (and Fenders, Musicman etc) never originally had bound necks (Flying V's, Explorers, LP Studio's, LP Jr's, Firebirds and so on), fuck those guitars, my ART100 has binding on the fingerboard! Oh, you just bought yourself a Musicman JP7 with a rosewood neck? HA! Loser! Get an ART! It has a plastic piece of binding on the neck which makes it 3 times the guitar it really is!"

Can you understand now how ridiculous you are sounding?
Wrap your head around this, a Gibson isn't as good as a Gibson, is either supposed to be, perceived to be, or imagined to be.

So, to put this thread back on topic, dollar for dollar, I'd take $800.00 worth of Godin's product over $800.00 worth Gibson's any day of the week.

That's my opinion. You are entitled to yours, and I to mine.

I didn't start the bullshit about binding in the first place. That was you and Danny. I did put a certain spin on it, to be sure.

Now, if you want to run on about binding, run along and do it with Danny.

I'd buy an equivalent Godin, or a Carvin, before I'd buy a Gibson. If you want to call that trolling, be my guest.
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And yet, as I have said, I have seen it happen. It wasn't on my guitar- it was a buddy's- and a polite but firm letter got him the option of a replacement or a partial refund. He took the latter.

Hell- I once got a 2HB limited edition guitar when I ordered the 3HB version of it. They actually had the regional rep deliver the correct guitar to me in person. In addition, he offered me the 2HB one at a significant discount- they didn't want those guitars going back to the factory. I declined the offer. Even discounted, I couldn't afford the other one in addition to what I was buying.

So let me get this straight.

Your friend ordered a guitar from Gibson online that was supposed to have binding on it and it never came with binding when it arrived?

I'm sorry but i just cannot beleive how that can happen. Gibson make thousands of the same guitar every year; you would think that after making so many thousands of them, they wouldn't forget to bind the necks. How the hell could a guy from QC not see that there wasn't binding on the guitar? The guy had to have been blind.

Are you sure your friend actually bought the right guitar?
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Wrap your head around this, a Gibson isn't as good as a Gibson, is either supposed to be, perceived to be, or imagined to be.

Whatever, dude. You can call a Gibson shit just because it has no binding on the neck if you want, even though pretty much every standard Fender has never had binding on it. If you think those guitars are shit too, that's your call. But you're going to have to expect that people are going to strongly disagree with you.
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I'm sorry but i just cannot beleive how that can happen. Gibson make thousands of the same guitar every year; you would think that after making so many thousands of them, they wouldn't forget to bind the necks. How the hell could a guy from QC not see that there wasn't binding on the guitar? The guy had to have been blind.


"Allegedly", one of the members in the acoustic forum had a Taylor 12 string delivered with the octave string pairs reversed. Then the guitar collapsed, or to recount it word perfect, the guitar, "exploded".

QC issues? Who knows.
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Are you sure your friend actually bought the right guitar?


If the mistake hadn't been theirs, he would not have gotten the refund.

Big companies make mistakes. Little companies make mistakes. It happens.
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If the mistake hadn't been theirs, he would not have gotten the refund.

Big companies make mistakes. Little companies make mistakes. It happens.

I'm sorry but you're going to have to give me pics or it didn't happen.
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Heh, I don't even know where that guy lives anymore- haven't seen him since the mid-1990s.

I might be able to get you the repair history on my first new car: I owned it 8 years with a mysterious engine rattle before some mechanic noticed that three of the four bolts holding the engine to the frame had never been put in place.
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Whatever, dude. You can call a Gibson shit just because it has no binding on the neck if you want, even though pretty much every standard Fender has never had binding on it. If you think those guitars are shit too, that's your call. But you're going to have to expect that people are going to strongly disagree with you.
Not at all. you're reading interpretive skills are bordering on nil.

Bound necks are nice. Higher end Gibsons have them. When the "The Paul", and "Studio" models were introduced, the neck binding and maple cap were the first things to go. Those things were dropped because of cost, then spun as an advantage, out of necessity. Oooo, it makes the guitar lighter, big plus right?

The same was true when the Fed stripped Gibson of its ebony for fretboards, all of a sudden Obeche became "the best choice ever for fretboards.

As far as Fender goes, they may not have bound fretboards but with the exception of some signature models, a MIA Strat can be had for about $1500.00, a far cry from even a Les Paul Standard.

I really do wish you'd read what's written, instead of inventing what you think you'd like to have heard, or imagined you heard. Or what you seem to invent you've read, so that you can take offense at it.

Here's the facts, American workers make a lot of money, Asian workers, and to some extent Canadian workers don't. So, Gibson needs a bunch of mystique, bullshit, tall tales, and the buyers imagination to be manipulated, to make the perceived value, coincide with the actual price of the guitar.

Nobody said it was a bad product. There's more bang for the buck in so many other brands, they just don't say, "Gibson", on the headstock.

Although, I bet if they upped the quality of their Epiphone line by as little as 20%, they'd put their own American plants out of business. Now tell me, do you think they can't make MIA Gibson quality guitars in Asia, or they simply won't?
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#39
I'm sure it would cost Gibson all of $20 to bind a guitar. Just a guess, but it's hard to imagine a guitar factory, even one in the USA, paying too much for binding.

It's business. Gibson saves the Binding for their more expensive models so people will SEE that they are getting a better guitar. This is because many people, like captaincranky, see binding either as some sort of quality indicator, or a more aesthetic enhancement(much the same way as some people think a natural finish looks classier). Some of those people will pay more just for binding and Gibson knows this.

I do not believe Studios are made without binding to make them more affordable.
Shadowofravenwo
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#40
Quote by T00DEEPBLUE
Quality is not measured by how much binding is on the guitar.


No, but if you paid for it and it's suppose to be there, and it's not, what does that say about the manufacturer?