codbl4l
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I'm filling out a form for a custom ESP LTD guitar, and want a guitar that can mimic those high harmonics that Dimebag Darrel can do(I know the technique, but my current guitar is lacking).

The order form is at http://www.espguitars.com/ESP-CustomOrder-2012.pdf">http://www.espguitars.com/ESP-CustomOrder-2012.pdf.

I'm familiar with some of it, but a lot of it is just downright confusing to me.

Can someone give me an explanation for 'Neck pickup', 'Middle pickup', 'Bridge pickup'(I know what pickups are, but it's not a drop-down menu, I have to type something in. What do I type in?), 'Mounting ring', 'Truss Rod Cover', 'Control Pattern', 'Control wiring', and 'String guage'?

Also, does nut type and inlay material make a difference?
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#2
With the pickups I would assume that you choose your brand (EMG or SD) and then type in toe model and configuration into the separate boxes. The mounting ring is what goes around pickups (commonly humbuckers) and is usually a rectangle. They're on most Les Pauls if you want to have a look. The truss rod cover is on the head stock and is a vaguely triangular piece of plastic/metal/wood that covers the truss rod opening and is removed for adjustment. I assume control pattern might be to do with how you want the switches and knobs to look cosmetically while control wiring is how you want them to function (this is purely a guess) and string gauge is what thickness strings the guitar is set up for when it leaves the factory. This can be changed.
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#3
Are you really ready to commit to a custom build if you don't know what difference is between "neck", "middle" and "bridge" pickups?

Clue: you know what part of the guitar is the neck and bridge, yes? Look at a Fender Strat... three pickups; one at the neck, one at the bridge and one in the middle
slapsymcdougal
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#4
Inlay material would be a cosmetic thing.
Nut type will make a big difference if you're looking for Dimebag-esque sounds, because you'll need a locking nut to go with your locking trem.
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#5
Quote by codbl4l
those high harmonics that Dimebag Darrel can do


Could do.........


You don't need a custom guitar to do squeals like Dime. Simply the right technique, along with a floyd equipped guitar, preferably with high output pickups.

Plenty of guitars fit that criteria.

No use to blow all that cash on a custom. Especially if you aren't familiar enough with guitar to know what pickups go where.

You need to have an idea of what you want before you buy. Wood type, pickup type, bridge preference, scale length, etc.

Different people like different things. Only through playing and experience will you learn what works best and sounds best for you. Until you know exactly what you want in a guitar, I'd move away from a custom shop.
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#6
Quote by Culler Amps
Could do.........


You don't need a custom guitar to do squeals like Dime. Simply the right technique, along with a floyd equipped guitar, preferably with high output pickups.

Plenty of guitars fit that criteria.

No use to blow all that cash on a custom. Especially if you aren't familiar enough with guitar to know what pickups go where.

You need to have an idea of what you want before you buy. Wood type, pickup type, bridge preference, scale length, etc.

Different people like different things. Only through playing and experience will you learn what works best and sounds best for you. Until you know exactly what you want in a guitar, I'd move away from a custom shop.

I would highly recommend heeding this advice.
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#7
If you don't know which pickup is the bridge and neck pickup you don't need to be ordering a custom guitar...
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codbl4l
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#8
After taking a quick look at my Fender, I feel really stupid for asking about the pickups, since it's actually pretty obvious. I just never took to heart that they had different names. Anyway, even if I shouldn't get a custom guitar(to get the Dimebag sound), it's still good to know how to order one, right?
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#9
Are you even aware that a custom ESP will cost like $3000?
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For the love of god it's not a dimebag sound, its a pinch harmonic.

****.

The reason you suck at them isn't because of your guitar, its because you suck. You rectify your suck-ness through practice, not by purchasing bloody expensive gear. Go practice pinch harmonics. The reason you aren't getting them on your strat is because:

a) You suck at them. This is true, regardless of b, unless you practice. Which you haven't yet.

Possibly as well as:

b) You haven't set your guitar up right. This includes pickup height, of which strats need to be done, like all other guitars.
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#12
Quote by Spaztikko
For the love of god it's not a dimebag sound, its a pinch harmonic.

****.

The reason you suck at them isn't because of your guitar, its because you suck. You rectify your suck-ness through practice, not by purchasing bloody expensive gear. Go practice pinch harmonics. The reason you aren't getting them on your strat is because:

a) You suck at them. This is true, regardless of b, unless you practice. Which you haven't yet.

Possibly as well as:

b) You haven't set your guitar up right. This includes pickup height, of which strats need to be done, like all other guitars.


This is a much better idea than spending stupid amounts of money on a custom guitar. But don't worry TS, I suck at pinch harmonics too. He's not just being mean for the sake of it, he actually has a point.
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#13
he's just messing around with the form u guys.
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#14
Quote by jeleopard
Are you even aware that a custom ESP will cost like $3000?


Aww, aren't you just the little optimist!

ESP Customs will run a LOT higher than that with the right specs. That's a company well renwoned for its quality, 3k may be a low estimate as far as they go. Minus runs and such.

TS: Just practice. Seriously. Shelling out that much cash to get pinch harmonics is just...stupid.

As far as the form goes, google up a layout of a guitar. It'll help you out.

My things:
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Washburn X40Pro
Washburn X50
Washburn HM24
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VHT Deliverance

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Quote by AcousticMirror
he's just messing around with the form u guys.


No, he's not, look:

Quote by codbl4l
I'm filling out a form for a custom ESP LTD guitar, and want a guitar that can mimic those high harmonics that Dimebag Darrel can do(I know the technique, but my current guitar is lacking).


So, he sucks at pinch harmonics (seriously, stop being ****ing retarded and calling them dime squeals. He was a shit guitarist and its good he's dead so he can't make more bad things. (Good, blatantly controversial and opinionated statement made, moving on).

His solution, instead of setting his guitar and amp properly ie higher gain, pups closer to the strings, learning where the harmonic nodes are etc, he chooses to go out and get a custom guitar. ESP custom shops can cost 20 grand in some cases. Yeah, really smart.

He's not having fun with the form, because this is the core of his post.

TS, just practice them.
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#16
While I don't agree with Dimebag being a totally shit guitarist (not the best, nor my favorite), he speaks the truth.
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#17
Quote by Spaztikko
No, he's not, look:


So, he sucks at pinch harmonics (seriously, stop being ****ing retarded and calling them dime squeals. He was a shit guitarist and its good he's dead so he can't make more bad things. (Good, blatantly controversial and opinionated statement made, moving on).

His solution, instead of setting his guitar and amp properly ie higher gain, pups closer to the strings, learning where the harmonic nodes are etc, he chooses to go out and get a custom guitar. ESP custom shops can cost 20 grand in some cases. Yeah, really smart.

He's not having fun with the form, because this is the core of his post.

TS, just practice them.


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#18
Quote by Spaztikko
So, he sucks at pinch harmonics (seriously, stop being ****ing retarded and calling them dime squeals. He was a shit guitarist and its good he's dead so he can't make more bad things.



You're glad someone is dead because you think they were a bad guitarist?

Not only are you an a$$hole but you are even stupider than you are implying the TS to be.
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Quote by Spaztikko
No, he's not, look:


So, he sucks at pinch harmonics (seriously, stop being ****ing retarded and calling them dime squeals. He was a shit guitarist and its good he's dead so he can't make more bad things. (Good, blatantly controversial and opinionated statement made, moving on).

TS, just practice them.

You sir are an idiot. What's even funnier is that one of your favorite guitarists is van halen, these two guitarists have so many similarities. I challenge you to pick just one, any one of dimebags solo's and nail it dead on since he sucks so bad. You may even learn something when start to notice very similar patterns and techniques, if you are a van halen fan.

To the TS. Although it is true you can get harmonic screams from any guitar with a floyd (even without floyd and a different technique), to help really make the sound more agressive, you need:
-great technique
-bill and becky bridge p/u
-correct amp/effects, and settings
-floyd (for most of his squeels)
-more technique
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Quote by Spaztikko


You all took the bait. I'm laughing.
But still he's terrible.


Hey, don't include me ! I thought it was hilarious personally, and I actually enjoy dimebag.
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#22
Oh no, not you. But the other two, wow.
I just can't stand him, and took the opportunity to see who would bite.
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#23
i bet spaz cant pinch harmonic so he's taking out his frustration on his fellow forum goers

on the topic, differant pickups would probably aid you, some pickups just dont hear harmonics/pinches well, most notable when i swaped out a pickup for a dimarzio X2N (dime's humbucker is something simular, no?) i found pinch harmonics steped up a level in loudness,
one of my other guitars has low-ish output stock pups, and they dont hear pinch harmonics that well, probably going to swap them for some GFS crunchy/power rails
(if you havent noticed yet i have a soft spot for railed pickups, :P )
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#24
The really high squeals are natural harmonics manipulated by the whammy bar I'm sure he used pinch harmonics as well but Spaz, stop saying someone sucks when you don't even know what the hell you're on about. TS you said you had a fender you could probably do a rough version of a dime squeal on it if it has a whammy though your tuning will go out the window.
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#25
Quote by Spaztikko
You all took the bait. I'm laughing.


Backpedaling already?
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#26
Quote by Culler Amps
You're glad someone is dead because you think they were a bad guitarist?


No, I'm glad he's dead because now he can't make any more bad things, and inflict his horrid tone all over the world again.

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Backpedaling already?


Nope, I stand by my opinion. You however were all too quick to jump on it.
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#27
I did a google search for Spaztikko's amazing tone..... Came up empty. Then I did the same for Dimebags tone..... Could not read the countless topics concerning it. But whatever, your better than Dimebag, yet no one knows you?

p.s. "now he can't make any more bad things" doesn't really make any sense.
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#28
Quote by cooper1965
I did a google search for Spaztikko's amazing tone..... Came up empty. Then I did the same for Dimebags tone..... Could not read the countless topics concerning it. But whatever, your better than Dimebag, yet no one knows you?

p.s. "now he can't make any more bad things" doesn't really make any sense.


Not to take up for Spaz or continue posting in this pointless thread, buuuuuut, come on. He was obviously baiting with that remark (and I know that because he all but said it in the post...), whether or not he really meant it. If he did mean it, thats his opinion (and hes definitely not the only one who thought dime's tone sucked) and isn't really worth arguing.
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