#1
Hi dudes,

I'm in the market for an axe that I can use for messing around/practicing in standard tuning (as I keep my other guitars in crazy other tunings ). I've been trawling guitar websites looking at different models but I can't find anything to settle on. Looking for suggestions to broaden my horizons so to speak.

Some general points:

Location: Melbourne, Australia !!
Budget: ~$1000AU can go higher if anything takes my fancy
Sound: Prog/Metal but not important right now. Prefer passive pups but can deal with actives.

Preferences (The important bit)
- 24 frets
- Fixed bridge
- Non-strat/superstrat shape (got tonnes of those already)
- Ebony fretboard

I like Japanese guitar brands generally (Caparison, Ibanez, ESP). I like the necks on them (mostly).

Currently on my list of potential axes is the EC-1000 or H-1001 but wanting suggestions to see if there's anything more interesting out there!

Cheers!
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#2
I know for a fact Carvin makes what you want...but since you live in Australia, the import costs would probabaly put them over your budget.

http://www.carvinguitars.com/customshop/24fretcarvedtop.php
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#3
the EC-1000 is definitely a very solid guitar (or, save yourself some money and get an ec-401: they're pretty similar in every way but price). both can be had with SD pickups instead of EMG's

I would also check out some of the PRS SE's. the Fredrik Akesson model played really nicely and sounded pretty good.

schecters may also be worth a look
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#4
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#5
yeah was gonna say a neck through carvin but not sure what that would really cost you to get it there.

i would say a modest build (no crazy woods etc) which would perhaps put in the 800ish range and leaves enough for aftermarket pickups.
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#6
If the EC-1000 looks appealing to you, definitely go for it.
I've had one for a while now and, though I am selling it (to fund a 7 string ), I would say it get's the most playtime out of the guitars I have.
I don't know how the used market is out there but in the states, were flooded with them. That might attest to their popularity.
#7
Since you like Ibanez, you could look at the ARZ series. LP style body, 24 frets, but most of them have EMGs and they all have rosewood fretboards I think. Then there's the new Schecter Blackjack SLS series, the ones with the thinner necks. They come in various shapes, LP and Tele included, and have ebony fretboards, fixed bridges, 24 frets and you can get them with either a Seymour Duncan Full Shred - Jazz PU combo, or active Blackouts. The price is just a bit higher than the EC-1000
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Last edited by Bastyn99 at Sep 30, 2012,
#8
Thanks guys.

Carvin is pretty much out of the question unless I was to enlist someone in the US to order it for me and then ship it out to me cause they cost like twice as much over here. Looking on the website now, the 24 fret California Single Carved Top model goes for $2200 - $2800 for the ones listed on the site. That and I don't really want a custom/semi-custom if I can avoid it as I'm impatient.

Still looking at the EC-1000, and also the EC-401FM now cause they're pretty. Going to have to relax the ebony fretboard requirement I think. Still kind of want something else though, I dunno. I already have an LP shaped guitar, as much as it is a cr*ppy made in china thing.

I've played the Ibanez ARZ a few times and they look awesome but I've never been impressed with the neck. Dunno what it is but it just doesn't work for me. Not really a Schecter fan either - they look cool but I've played a bunch of them at shops over the years and never found one I really liked.
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#9
Looking on the website now, the 24 fret California Single Carved Top model goes for $2200 - $2800 for the ones listed on the site. That and I don't really want a custom/semi-custom if I can avoid it as I'm impatient


Honestly, it doesn't take them that long to make, and they actually start at around $1000...but yeah, highly inconvenient to have to arrange for someone to get it for you and then ship it.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

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Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#10
Quote by dannyalcatraz
Honestly, it doesn't take them that long to make, and they actually start at around $1000...but yeah, highly inconvenient to have to arrange for someone to get it for you and then ship it.


carvin's prices aren't nearly so kind if you don't live in the us. once you've accounted for basic price differences, exchange rates, shipping and taxes, carvins really aren't a good option outside the US (they're even expensive to Canada)
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#11
I understand that- I said as much in my initial post. I was just pointing out that while the ones listed for immediate sale all have a variety of extras on them boosting their prices over $2000, this is misleading since the base price for that model was actually $1000.*


* EDIT: Nevermind- just looked at prices on Carvin's Australian site. Things have changed since the last time I helped someone navigate their site for an international order.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Oct 1, 2012,
#12
Prices are intense over here. But I will continue to look at Carvin as a back up if I can't find anything else that takes my fancy.
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#13
I've been trying to find a price on these, but you may just have to contact them directly:

http://www.jjguitars.com/jj_wildman_custom_24_guitar.html

Edit: just found this one for just at €600
http://www.richardsguitars.co.uk/acatalog/JJ_Electa_UK_Hand_Built_Guitar.html
It's not the same model, but it should give you an idea of how prices run.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Oct 1, 2012,
#14
Hey man The Ec-1000VB is a great axe.Its got everything you want and will fit your needs.Plus it looks Bad-ass
Guitars:
Esp Ec-1000 VB with Emg 81/60
Esp ec-1000 Snow White with SD Jb/Jazz
Esp ltd f-50
Amp:
Randall rd-20h
Randall rd112-v30
Pedals:
Digitech rp-1000
#15
Cheers Danny but I reckon if I go for an LP shape it'll be one of the LTDs (1000, 401, etc)

Definitely appreciate the suggestions though!
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#16
Ltd Ec-1000. Its the only guitar that you can afford with such specs.
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#17
Quote by VVolverin3
Cheers Danny but I reckon if I go for an LP shape it'll be one of the LTDs (1000, 401, etc)

Definitely appreciate the suggestions though!

Y'know, looking for a non-Strat, non-SuperStrat with those characteristics is tough enough...NOW you tell us the LTDs have locked up the LP category? GRRRRR!


It's all good!

I have to say, though, that I'm surprised at how many "metal"/"shredder" hardtails I know of only have 22 frets.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Oct 1, 2012,
#18
I drive myself crazy with what I want in a guitar!

I think I'm going to have to relax the requirements a bit. Main parts are 24 frets and fixed bridge. Really just looking for something different! Subjective as anything I know but I'm just kind of bored with the standard look/finishes/etc. Am kind of tempted with that half blue/half green finish that Carvin do ... HMMMM
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#19
You're not going to be different with an EC-1000. Its pretty much the most popular LTD on this forum.

If you want something different, get something like a Kramer.
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#20
Talk it out...think it though. Figure out what it is that you really want and what is driving you away from what has become your own personal norms.

Most of my guitars are hardtails- only one tremolo in 6 (soon to be 7) electric guitars- and of those, the 4 with with 24 frets are all from 1 luthier near Chicago. I found HIS stuff while wandering through the Dallas Guitar Show. It was just that different.

My 7th? It's being done by a luthier out of Rochester, NY. I have no idea how many frets it has. That design detail doesn't matter to me...at least, not as much as the wood, the pickups, the controls and all that jazz.*

So ask yourself what is it that is really itching in your psyche?


* and my GAS list is all over the place: hardtails & tremolos; 22, 24, and even fretless; acoustics, solid bodies, semihollows & hollows; HBs, P90s, and single-coils...in all kinds of combinations...
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Oct 1, 2012,
#21
Quote by dannyalcatraz
So ask yourself what is it that is really itching in your psyche?

I wish I knew...
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#22
It's probably not to your liking, but the Steinberger TranScale Baritone family are all 24 fret hardtails (trem optional):

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/STD2FPPB/

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ST2FPPB/

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SZT3TLBT/

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/steinberger-synapse-st-2fpa-transcale-electric-guitar

Different body; different scale; integrated capo to go to standard tunings in seconds...
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Oct 1, 2012,
#23
If you want something different, it would be really cool to get like a really old/classic looking Fender Tele or Strat with a HH PU setup and then put in the most high output metal PUs, like BKPs, in it. If course it would have none of the features you are looking for, but it would be different :P
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#24
^ Teles and Strats don't tend to have 24 frets which is kind of my main priority.


@danny - Cheers once again mate! That Demon model looks interesting, wish it came in a more exciting finish though.

In all honesty, I'm currently extremelly tempted by this:



... which is annoying cause I'm not much of a fan of Dean, and I don't listen to a lot of Megadeth either. But it's a cool looking axe - I really like the finish.
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#25
I love my Dean Time Capsule Cadillac. It has held it's own against every guitar I've played since I bought it, and remains one of my primary guitars to this day. Long story short- don't knock Deans just because people say things on the Internet.

What surprised me is that that guitar has 24 frets and is 25.5" scale- most of their guitars seem to be 24.75" scale and 22 frets. Even my Caddy.

So, back to YOU!

It would seem as if you're looking for a more metal visual aesthetic than the guitars you own currently, right? At this point, I'd normally suggest Dean Z's followup company, DBZ...but the only 24 fret guitars they offer are- you guessed it- equipped with Floyds.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Oct 2, 2012,
#26
I'm not a fan of Dean because of the Dean's I have played in the past. But to be fair they were likely all their cheap (made in China or similar) models. I believe that VMNT is made in Korea so it should be a solid guitar. A shop vaguely near me has a VMNT I think so I will go check it out if I get a chance.
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#27
Yeah...I avoid the sub-$500 Deans, too. The cheapest one I own is a Special Select EVO. The only issue I have with it is I have gotten many better guitars since I bought it, and its stock HBs no longer cut it. I'm currently trying to figure out what I want to replace them with.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#28
Here's something else a bit different...and local to you!

http://www.bme.com.au/models.htm

All 24 fret hardtails...but not cheap and there is a slight waiting list.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#29
Baha, thanks mate. Kinda out of my price range for this though.

I actually don't really have anymore money at the moment. Have a bunch of gear up for sale that's really going to decide whether I get any new guitars or not.

One of my Caparisons is all black (finish, hardware, ebony board) and it's got a floyd trem but no locking nut/tuners. So one of my other thoughts is that I block off the bridge with some blocks of wood since I can't really use it as a trem anyway, and get it refinished into something more interesting. Would be expensive to refinish (to get it done professionally) but still cheaper than buying a new axe. Hmmmm.....
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#30
You might want to look at the Malden Subhuman: http://maldenguitars.com/subhuman.htm

Here's the thing- on THAT page, it says 22 frets and $1200. The price is probably not accurate- MSRPs are usually inflated a tad.

But the thing is, in Malden's direct sale store, there is this one sitting around for sale, for just $729.

http://maldenguitars.com/storeSubhuman.htm

Note, it says 24 frets. One must be a typo, but I lack the patience to ascertain which one. (Yes, I AM a lazy bastard! )

I'd say its worth a look.
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#31
Save up about €3300 and you could be the first on your block to own one of these!

http://www.nicole-instruments.com/product/chessmaster-nicole/

24 fret hardtail, 2HB, slate black corian body...and it glows in the dark! Get them to do one with red LEDs- maybe even a pentagram- and it will be perfect for metal...

Their Evolution is another 24 fret hardtail, and does the same trick for about €1000 less, with a green glow, but they wrote their name on it. (Merde.)

http://www.nicole-instruments.com/product/nouveau-produit-basses/
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Oct 7, 2012,
#32
Those LEDs are awesome. But it needs an ebony fretboard!!
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#33
Check Out Raven West Guitars: http://www.ravenwestguitar.com/elguit.html

Their prices seem reasonable, and they ship worldwide.

Example:
http://www.ravenwestguitar.com/rgbieyemanet.html

http://www.ravenwestguitar.com/rgbunethblfr1.html
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
Last edited by dannyalcatraz at Oct 10, 2012,
#35
I cannot find a price on these, but I know Blade has (or had) worldwide distribution:

Blade X-Fire XF-230 Titan
http://www.bladeguitars.com/guitars/xf-series/xf-230/
Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: “Ninety percent of everything is crap.”

Why, yes, I am a lawyer- thanks for asking!

Log off and play yer guitar!

Strap on, tune up, rock out!
#36
Thanks Danny, but they both all seem to have trems!


Anyways, work has dried up for me over the last few weeks so I can't really afford to buy anything right now.
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#37
If you want the Carvin... look into going through Price USA http://www.priceusa.com.au/

They might be able to import it for you for less than buying direct. It's a large item though which could make things difficult but I've used it for my laptop which cost $1300 as opposed to $2800 from HP Australia.