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Eastwinn
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#1
In the interest of reducing drunk driving related deaths.

Instead of sitting here thinking the idea through, I'm gonna let you guys do it for me (I have work to do before my next class).

Do you think drunk driving related deaths would decrease if we banned bars?
How could this backlash (creating more deaths, or something similar)?
What kind of less drastic solution would you propose?

In my five or ten minutes of thought, I haven't thought of a really good reason not to do it. I googled around but found no discussion on this. So it's up you, the collective mind of the Pit. Why is this a bad idea? Or is it a great one?
daytripper75
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#2
It's a bad idea, because bars are awesome.


Stop trying to steal my fun.
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#3
backlash would be organised crime.

People would set up illegal bars and the mod bosses would rule the scene. Plus, I love the social interactions of the pub, I'd be pissed right the **** off
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Look up prohibition.

It didn't work.
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#5
Banning bars reduces drinking, kinda like how making weed illegal stops people from smoking it.
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#6
I'd start my own personal bar in my house. Then when I ran out of booze, I'd drive to the shop and kill people.
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#7
Quote by Eastwinn
In the interest of reducing drunk driving related deaths.

Instead of sitting here thinking the idea through, I'm gonna let you guys do it for me (I have work to do before my next class).

Do you think drunk driving related deaths would decrease if we banned bars?
How could this backlash (creating more deaths, or something similar)?
What kind of less drastic solution would you propose?

-I'm almost positive it would although I'm only basing that off of intuition.
-More illegal bars where things are bound to be more dangerous. Also probably more drinking at homes/friends' homes which would probably have its own consequences.
-idk really. Drunk drivers gonna drunk drive, but I guess better public transportation etc. would be a good choice. I don't think we should make the punitive measures for dui cases more drastic though.
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#9
Bars don't inherently encourage drinking and driving. The idiots that drink and drive considerably over the legal limit would likely find other places to drink and continue to drive to and from those locations, be it a friend's house or whatever. Any combination of immediately voiding a driving license, suspending privileges for a year, impounding their vehicle, and forcing them to retake any licensing program might help some.

It'd be easier to just shoot them.
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#10
Most of the people I'd see as potential drunk drivers around where I live probably wouldn't be affected that much by a bar/pub/club ban since they get drunk at each others homes anyways. Why would you ban bars and not just alcohol? That's a bit like banning syringes but not heroin.
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#12
you think that gives drunk driving?

you can buy beers in gas stations, now thats stupid.
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If you ban alcohol your just gonna create another black market, and gangs are gonna start selling alcohol illegally and shooting each other over it just like they do with drugs.

That's why we should legalize drugs, to end those black markets, and then treat drugs like we treat alcohol. Put a age limit, no using it and driving, etc.

And don't tell me it's gonna make people do crack or heroin and shit. If heroing was legalized today, would you start doing heroin? I wouldn't, as most people wouldn't.
If someone wants to do drugs he'll do it, regardless if it's legal or not.

Banning alcohol is stupid.
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#17
Given that my livelihood is the production of alcohol, why don't you go and **** yourself TS? The amount of alcohol duty we pays a vast amount for the authorities to deal with the relatively minor amount of shit that police/paramedics deal with. Again, **** off, it's bloody difficult to find a job thesedays.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it's a ****ing multi-billion pound industry in this country so it benefits loads of shit through its profitability alone. Once more, go **** yourself TS.
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If you ban alcohol your just gonna create another black market, and gangs are gonna start selling alcohol illegally and shooting each other over it just like they do with drugs.

That's why we should legalize drugs, to end those black markets, and then treat drugs like we treat alcohol. Put a age limit, no using it and driving, etc.

And don't tell me it's gonna make people do crack or heroin and shit. If heroing was legalized today, would you start doing heroin? I wouldn't, as most people wouldn't.
If someone wants to do drugs he'll do it, regardless if it's legal or not.

Banning alcohol is stupid.

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#20
Then a shit ton of jobs would be lost and those people would probably drink heavily as a result.
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#21
Quote by adamgur96
If you ban alcohol your just gonna create another black market, and gangs are gonna start selling alcohol illegally and shooting each other over it just like they do with drugs.

That's why we should legalize drugs, to end those black markets, and then treat drugs like we treat alcohol. Put a age limit, no using it and driving, etc.

And don't tell me it's gonna make people do crack or heroin and shit. If heroing was legalized today, would you start doing heroin? I wouldn't, as most people wouldn't.
If someone wants to do drugs he'll do it, regardless if it's legal or not.

Banning alcohol is stupid.


You don't know who you're talking to.

Also this is different then prohibition. I never said we should ban alcohol, so I don't know where you guys are getting it from.

Anyway, after a bit of my HW done I found a good reason not to ban them. Supposing that the amountof illegal bars that appear at least, say, a third of the previously legal bars that existed, then now we have bars all over the place that police can't properly monitor. So although drunk driving might lessen, our ability to catch drunk drivers might.

This was an open question guys.
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#22
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#23
Quote by Eastwinn
You don't know who you're talking to.

Also this is different then prohibition. I never said we should ban alcohol, so I don't know where you guys are getting it from.

Anyway, after a bit of my HW done I found a good reason not to ban them. Supposing that the amountof illegal bars that appear at least, say, a third of the previously legal bars that existed, then now we have bars all over the place that police can't properly monitor. So although drunk driving might lessen, our ability to catch drunk drivers might.

This was an open question guys.


Aye, and you're a ****ing idiot. There's nothing else to be said about you.
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#24
It would just increase the rate of death caused by enraged sobriety.
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#26
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#27
Wouldn't a better idea be having bars start asking for people's car keys at the door? If you have a car key, it's stored in a secure box and you're given a ticket. You're only given your keys back if you're sober when you leave, if you're not you're given the number of a taxi company and you come collect your keys in the morning. If this is too much of an inconvenience for people, they quickly learn to not take their car out drinking.
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#28
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Given that my livelihood is the production of alcohol, why don't you go and **** yourself TS? The amount of alcohol duty we pays a vast amount for the authorities to deal with the relatively minor amount of shit that police/paramedics deal with. Again, **** off, it's bloody difficult to find a job thesedays.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it's a ****ing multi-billion pound industry in this country so it benefits loads of shit through its profitability alone. Once more, go **** yourself TS.

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#30
Quote by Eastwinn
What's up your ass? Did you read my posts or what?


I don't give a tinker's toss what your posts say, all I know is I rely on working in a pub and making beer for a living so banning bars is ****ing stupid and you're stupid for even suggesting it as a good idea.


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Oh I mad. It winds me up how much we anonymously provide for this ****ing country and then you get a bunch of whining little shits who can't take their booze moaning about it because they threw up once. The majority of people who drink beer don't ****ing drive afterwards you **** so there's no reason to ban ****ing pubs. God damn ****ing rage all up in this mother****ing ********ing bitch ass ****.
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#31
Quote by Eastwinn
You don't know who you're talking to.

Also this is different then prohibition. I never said we should ban alcohol, so I don't know where you guys are getting it from.

Anyway, after a bit of my HW done I found a good reason not to ban them. Supposing that the amountof illegal bars that appear at least, say, a third of the previously legal bars that existed, then now we have bars all over the place that police can't properly monitor. So although drunk driving might lessen, our ability to catch drunk drivers might.

This was an open question guys.


To ban bars instead of banning alcohol altogether is even more stupid.

It wouldn't make any difference with drunk driving, it will only destroy jobs and make drinking less fun.
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#33
Hmm I don't know. Maybe we should just ban those roadside bars you can't get to without driving.
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#34
I thought this was about banning the UG user BARS. Crisis averted.
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Eastwinn
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#36
Quote by adamgur96
To ban bars instead of banning alcohol altogether is even more stupid.

It wouldn't make any difference with drunk driving, it will only destroy jobs and make drinking less fun.


Why would it be even more stupid? This was supposed to be a discussion about something that I doubt many of you have thought about before. I know you're hella cool with the drug legalization stuff, but this is different. This is about banning a type of business, not banning a drug. So tell me why you think what you think, not what you think. Try not to be condescending this time as well.
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#37
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Wouldn't a better idea be having bars start asking for people's car keys at the door? If you have a car key, it's stored in a secure box and you're given a ticket. You're only given your keys back if you're sober when you leave, if you're not you're given the number of a taxi company and you come collect your keys in the morning. If this is too much of an inconvenience for people, they quickly learn to not take their car out drinking.


That's actually not such a bad idea.

I can see a few flaws in it, but a little extra thought can solve that....

The only challenge is to make this law pass...

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Quote by Eastwinn
Why would it be even more stupid? This was supposed to be a discussion about something that I doubt many of you have thought about before. I know you're hella cool with the drug legalization stuff, but this is different. This is about banning a type of business, not banning a drug. So tell me why you think what you think, not what you think. Try not to be condescending this time as well.


It'll only destroy jobs and make drinking less fun. It wouldn't do anything usefull.

Check the other guy i quoted in this post, he has a better idea.
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#38
You probably didn't find anything on it because your idea is stupid and you should feel stupid!

But seriously, if it weren't for bars, people would be drinking everywhere and anywhere because there would be no appropriate place to do it in public (and this is something you can't stop). So it would probably be even more dangerous.

Granted some people do drink wherever they want to anyways, but its nothing compared to what it would be like if there were no public place for drinking.
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Eastwinn
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#39
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Hmm I don't know. Maybe we should just ban those roadside bars you can't get to without driving.


OH LOOK AT THIS GUY ADDING AN IDEA TO THE DISCUSSION.

Or perhaps, ban parking at bars. Gotta figure whether forcing someone to walk or take a taxi, or bus, or whatever, is worth the lives it might save.
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#40
you ban bars and ppl are just gonna go drink at each others places. run out of booze/have to go home, same drunk drivers gonna drunk drive. you just change the setting so that it is in peoples personal homes rather than a public setting, which could probably amplify the issue of drunk driving and general drunkenness. friends probs wont be as willing to cut you off like a bartender would w/ liability issues and the like.