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Hello again. I made a thread about my amp a few days ago. You can read it here.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1565065

if you are feeling lazy: my amp pooped out during a show. The symptoms are a loss of volume (about 80%) and a thin, slightly distorted tone on both channels. My volume only gets louder when I turn my master volume up to 3. After that it only gets more distorted.

Anyhow, I haven't taken it to a tech because a) I don't have money for that and b) I don't have confidence in the techs in the area based on past experiences. That aside, I think I've been able to further narrow down my problem.

As suggested in my previous thread I went ahead and cleaned up all the pots and all of the i/o jacks to see if one of them was just really dirty. I also re cleaned my tube sockets. I noticed that even though I had already tried retensioning the sockets, the tubes were still slipping out pretty easy. So I went and got a dental pick and tried retensioning them again. I then turned my amp on and it was back. I was getting my regular tone and volume, but when I tried turning it up past 9 o'clock I heard a faint pop and my volume and tone plummeted. So I'm stuck at point A again.

what do you guys think? It sounds like a have a bad potentiometer, but i'm not sure. How could I go about checking with a multimeter? Thanks for your help.
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I doubt its one of the pots... however it could be. Dont make new threads as its hard to follow what you have done. Just find your old(search bar) and bump it. That way we all the details.

I know you replaced some of the tubes correct?

Update this thread with all that you have done so you can get a better answer. Garbage in/garbage out.
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hey guys sorry for the late reply. I've been away from my computer for a few days. Anyhow, I've done all of the basic maintenance work. I cleaned all of the pots, jacks, and sockets. I've also retensioned the sockets and replaced all of power and pre amp tubes. I've used my entire set up with a different head and had no problems, so the problem definitely is with my amp.

I don't get any extra noise - no humming, no scratchy pot sounds, nothing like that. If i leave my amp along for a week or more I can turn it on and everything seems like its back to normal, but as soon as I turn the volume past three is when it goes to hell. Thanks for any ideas you guys might have, but I think I might just take it in to a tech pretty soon.
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From what you are saying - it's the socket. Have another go at retensioning it but I'm afraid you may have to bite the bullet and replace it. Could be a tube too. If it was mine I'd try new tubes and if that failed I'd stick in new sockets.
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Have you changed the fuses in case you have a volt drop across it? It's a cheap test. Just make sure to replace with the same rating a speed of blowing.

All connections internally look ok? Nothin looks overheated? Anything else you want to tell us?

Edit: also when the concern is present did you tap on the tunes to listen for a pop from a bad connection? (tap on tube)
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From what you are saying - it's the socket. Have another go at retensioning it but I'm afraid you may have to bite the bullet and replace it. Could be a tube too. If it was mine I'd try new tubes and if that failed I'd stick in new sockets.


That sucks, but I have had my amp for about 4 years (bought it brand new) so I guess it's not surprising. I'll look around on the internet to see what I can do about the sockets, short of taking my amp in for replacements.


Have you changed the fuses in case you have a volt drop across it? It's a cheap test. Just make sure to replace with the same rating a speed of blowing.

All connections internally look ok? Nothin looks overheated? Anything else you want to tell us?

Edit: also when the concern is present did you tap on the tunes to listen for a pop from a bad connection? (tap on tube)


I'll replace the fuse and inspect the rest of the board today. Yes, I tapped on the tubes and I didn't get any popping or crackling. I appreciate you guys keeping up with this thread. Hopefully, you guys can help me diagnose the problem before I take it to the shop. Will update later.
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have you put new powertubes in it yet?
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have you put new powertubes in it yet?


He says he replaced all.

If one shit out before being replaced it could have damaged something. I'd be looking at solder joints and overheated resistors.


TS- did the concer change after replacing the tubes or is it exactly the same?
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No, there was no change in my amps behavior after I changed the tubes. I think I may have found my problem though. There is a resistor by each socket that has caught my attention. They both look like they are fried - the PCB underneath them is very dark brown. I can't tell what the value is to one of them - all of the marking look the same color. I know this sounds very vague, but I'll get some pics up soon.
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He says he replaced all.

If one shit out before being replaced it could have damaged something. I'd be looking at solder joints and overheated resistors.


TS- did the concer change after replacing the tubes or is it exactly the same?



looks like you are probably right about overheated resistors.

http://imgur.com/a/H6V4g

R89 and R90 are the ones I am looking at.
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please do. Are they the 5w resistors?

Good find
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Well that sucks. Take some good photos of the wiring and then pull the PCB to inspect further. It's fixable. Probably a tube took a shit and overheated them.

Also post what you amp is again. I
Might have the schematic saved.
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Ok. I'll just be a few minutes. This amp is a pain in the ass to pull apart. I should probably drain the caps right about now, but I can't get to them without shocking myself. I have a Traynor YCV50 blue.
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Well I don't have the schem for that amp... I thought it was 6505.

Only now did I notice it in your sig. I am retarded.
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Well I don't have the schem for that amp... I thought it was 6505.

Only now did I notice it in your sig. I am retarded.



No worries. I don't think it's a very popular amp. Here are some more pics. 5 and 7 are pictures of a pair of resistors where the PCB looked similar to the ones by the sockets, but not as bad. The solder joints look okay though. Also, is there any significance to the brownish spots along the traces?

http://imgur.com/a/f3bLr#6
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Yeah it over heated. Sometimes the current tracks can be damaged from this.

A few people will jump in here in a few and offer advise.

It's a short distance and can be repaired with a new wire run across the PCB invade there was damage.
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Can you post pictures of the top side again? It got hot in a few places away from the resistors.
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Can you post pictures of the top side again? It got hot in a few places away from the resistors.


http://imgur.com/a/GiPGR#10

here you go. Sounds like a pretty extensive repair job and that sounds expensive.

EDIT: picture link
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It's not bad to do. Of coarse a new PCB might be best if it's cheap enough.

Looks like the resistors for the heaters go hot as well. Wow.

How are you at soldering? If you aren't experienced it's going to need to go to someone who can do it. You can lift the PCB traces off the board if you aren't careful.
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It's not bad to do. Of coarse a new PCB might be best if it's cheap enough.

Looks like the resistors for the heaters go hot as well. Wow.

How are you at soldering? If you aren't experienced it's going to need to go to someone who can do it. You can lift the PCB traces off the board if you aren't careful.



are you talking about R33 and R35? My hands aren't very steady, but I've managed to do a few things here and there. I don't have very soldering sponge/braid though.
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are you talking about R33 and R35? My hands aren't very steady, but I've managed to do a few things here and there. I don't have very soldering sponge/braid though.


For sucking the old solder you want a pen style sucker. Radio shack has them. It's easiest if you have a temperature controlled soldering iron. Otherwise it might get too hot.

What is you nearest major city?
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I live in San Luis Obispo, about 1.5 hours from Santa Barbara. There's a radioshak and home depot here though. So it's just those three spots that I need to repair? There seem to be indications of overheating in the copper traces all over the board.
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It needs new resistors at a minimum.

Big 2 questions- what caused it? And did the traces get damaged?

I don't know Traynors customer support is. If there is a part number on the PCB you can call and see if you can get a new one and how much. With the amount of areas effected a board would be better.

Do you see anything funny on the main PCB?

Also do you have a multi-meter?

If you were closer to LA I would offer to help. Seeing how I am on the south side of town and about to go to on a work trip that wouldn't work out.
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It needs new resistors at a minimum.

Big 2 questions- what caused it? And did the traces get damaged?

I don't know Traynors customer support is. If there is a part number on the PCB you can call and see if you can get a new one and how much. With the amount of areas effected a board would be better.

Do you see anything funny on the main PCB?

Also do you have a multi-meter?

If you were closer to LA I would offer to help. Seeing how I am on the south side of town and about to go to on a work trip that wouldn't work out.



I'm pretty sure my old tubes crapping out is what caused it. I'll give Traynor a call and see what they have. They discontinued my amp, so I doubt they'll offer me much. Thanks for your help though, I've been thinking about getting a new amp anyways.

I do have a multi meter, but it needs new batteries.
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Try to fix it first.
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Here are some parts you may need:

Resistors
http://tubedepot.com/resistors.html

Buss wire
http://tubedepot.com/bw.html

Wiring
http://tubedepot.com/wire.html

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Throw some new resistors in there. Also if you have a power source you can load and voltage drop the current tracks to see if they are damaged. By power source I mean something DC, maybe one or two 9v batteries together.

If any current tracks are damaged you can just run a new wire on the top side of the PCB.

Let me know if you have any questions.
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I hate to bump it but I wanted to make sure you know that it needs to be biased. It's the little pot on power tube board.
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yeah, I'll give it a shot. It'll be instructive at the very least. Thanks for the advice and the links. I'll head over to radioshak later on. I found the schematic to my amp online so I know the resistor values I need. Hopefully a resistor swap alone will fix it.
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Quote by R45VT
I hate to bump it but I wanted to make sure you know that it needs to be biased. It's the little pot on power tube board.



What are you seeing that I'm not? I don't see anything in those pictures that looks like its been 'failure' hot?
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What are you seeing that I'm not? I don't see anything in those pictures that looks like its been 'failure' hot?


The resistors got way too hot. There are a few links to pictures. Find to topside pictures and look at R89 and R90. Also you can see it got overloaded on the bottom side as well.
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