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TheWarpRider
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#1
Coupled with a metal muff for 70s metal tones i.e. Sabbath + new stuff like The Sword, how well would it do AC/DC, Zep, Metallica (KEA & RTL), Megadeth (Peace Sells), G'n'R, early Testament & Tool type tones with a Gibson SG special faded w/stock pups?
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Personally I think the amp does all that fine without the pedal.
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Personally I think the amp does all that fine without the pedal.


I'd grab an OD, but other than that you're good to go.
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I'd grab an OD, but other than that you're good to go.


Yeah, an OD set to boost is probably handy to have to tighten things up.
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JVM will get you there without a pedal, but I personally think a JVM may be a bit overkill versatility wise. I would recommend taking a look at the Vintage Modern, which will cover those genres better imo. I don't think either amp would be great for Tool tones, but I would imagine the VM and an OD would get you pretty close.
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I think that a JVM wouldn't need the metal muff to cover any of that. Just get an OD for tightening tones here and there.
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I think JVM is a bit more modern sounding than Marshalls usually. Not sure about that but I have heard. So yeah, most of the bands you listed are more vintage sound. Especially the hard rock bands (Led Zep, AC/DC and GN'R) and Black Sabbath. Oh yeah, and those albums you listed from Metallica and Megadeth are not that modern sounding. But really, you don't need a pedal for that kind of amp. It's one of the most versatile Marshalls and designed to do many styles without the need of buying pedals. And IMO, amp distortion FTW. So I would buy something a bit more vintage sounding. Vintage Modern was suggested here and I think it would fit the music you play better. I'm not really familiar with these amps so all this information is based on what I've heard.

I mean, why do you buy an amp with over ten different sounds and only use clean channel with a pedal. You could buy much cheaper one channel amp and use the pedal through it. You would be paying for useless features.
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JVM can do those more classic sounds on the lower gain channels, that's actually where it really excelled for me

Not huge on its high gain modern stuff, but I think for what you want, it'd do pretty well.
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JVM can do those more classic sounds on the lower gain channels, that's actually where it really excelled for me

Not huge on its high gain modern stuff, but I think for what you want, it'd do pretty well.


+1- i preferred its lower gain tones to its higher gain tones.

that being said, whether it'd do those tones as well as a more vintage-style marshall, I dunno (i didn't try anything else next to it). I suspect not, but
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+1- i preferred its lower gain tones to its higher gain tones.

that being said, whether it'd do those tones as well as a more vintage-style marshall, I dunno (i didn't try anything else next to it). I suspect not, but


Well, it'll get pretty close. And the high gain tones, it'll nail testament with an OD. It excells at thrash with an OD.
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Budget?
The closer to $1000AUD the better (just for the head) but up to around $2000AUD is max.

Genres?
-'Marshall' Thrash i.e. Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning, Rust in Peace (I think Dave used 800s, not too sure) Peace Sells, Reign In Blood, The Legacy - Testament

-Classic/Hard rock: AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, Guns N' Roses

-Alt/Grunge - Soundgarden, Alice in Chains

A bit of Tool, Sabbath, SOAD, The Sword, Foo Fighters too amongst others.

The tones don't have to be spot on but maybe 70-85% of the tone would be nice as a lot of that stuff you won't get the exact album tone due to studio recording etc.

New or Used?
Would prefer new, the used market isn't that great down here.

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Mostly home but also jamming with other guitarists and maybe a drummer/band eventually.

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Melbourne, Australia

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-Bugera 333XL 212, I'll probably use the speakers from that first and then I'll buy a 2x12 or 4x12 when I get the money. Unless there is a combo of the amp I want with a closed back. Not sure about the speakers I woud like, maybe V30s or Greenbacks.

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Go into Allans/Billy Hyde and see what you can beat them down on. They are going out of business so you should be able to bully a pretty good deal out of them. They had Jet Cities going really cheap. One of those with a boost should cover anything you need.
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They've gone bust, man. Whatever they don't move will go to the receivers. Get in there and take advantage of them.
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+1

I grabbed a JCA 2x12 for $340 the other day at Billy Hyde. Epic sales atm
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Wow, sick. Although I'm not in the market for an amp right now, when I save up again in a few months but it's always nice to start looking early.

But I'll definitely go down there and have a look at their guitars and pedals.

http://www.allansbillyhyde.com.au/prod/SGSPEBCH1/Gibson_SG_Special_Electric_Guitar_%28Ebony%29.aspx

Shit, that's pretty good although I know another place where I can get it cheaper and in worn cherry red too.

Their ony Gibson listed though :/

Some other seriously cheap stuff on their site though.

EMG81 $98
Jet City 20W head $315
Boss CS3 $76
MI Audio Crunch Box $108
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It's made better but the 20W will be pushing to stay clean against a drummer. The JCA5212 is under $600. You aren't gonna see that again. Go in and see what they can do you for. You may be able to score the JCA100H for peanuts - that's the one you want. Either that or a JCA50H. Go see what they can do for you face to face. Be a vulture. You never know what you might find.
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I've really got my eye set on the SG and I honestly really do need a new guitar, it would do me much more good than a new amp right now and I couldn't afford a JCA100h + a new guitar right now. But, if I could pick up a JCA20h for $300 I'd definitely consider it since it retails usually for $500-$700.

Would the JCA20h offer me siginificantly different tones to my Bugera and maybe cover some tones I've listed above better?
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Yeah a little but it's not the one I'd go for. Upgrading the tubes in your 333 will probably do just as much good. The JCA will hang together better if you are carting around to gigs though. I wouldn't want to be dragging a Bugera around Melbourne pubs.

This is the one you want:
http://www.allansbillyhyde.com.au/prod/JCA50H/Jet_City_JCA50H_50_Watt_Tube_Head.aspx

Go in and beat them down on the price. If you get your SG off them at the same time you should be able to do even better. Exploit them, man. When a filthy monopolist like Allans goes to the wall it's time to strike.
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Well as I said I can't afford that at the moment since I really need a new guitar and I don't have enough money for both.

So the JCA20h isn't really worth the $300 for me? The only reason I would buy it is for tonal differences, not really to have another amp if you get what I mean. It would be plugged into my 333xl combo anyway for the time being.
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At $300, once the go broke you could flip it for profit I guess. In a month's time it will be worth more than you paid for it.
Beg, borrow or steal an extra $300 and get that 50H. Sell the 333 to pay back the extra that you borrowed. $600 for a new 50W tube amp in Australia isn't going to happen every day. Especially not something that good. It's basically a budget Soldano.
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What's the RRP on the 50h usually and how does it compare to say a Vintage Modern or a JVM?
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Not sure, but a lot more than that. Imo it will kick a JVM's arse. The Vintage Modern it would be a toss up depending on taste. Like I said, it's a little Soldano. Load it up with JJ's and run it into a good cab and it would be hard to beat for twice the price.
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Ok, if you were me with my gear (check 1st page) would you get the SG faded for ~$950 or the 50h for around $600 or whatever I can screw them down to? My parents said they'll put in about $700-800 for what I want (with the idea of a guitar) and I can put in the rest since it's going to be an early christmas & late bday present. I could probably put in more but I like going out too and don't really have a big or moderate income (for someone my age) since I'm a full time uni student.

My guitars are pretty much far below average and I'd probably run the JCA50h/20h through my Bugera combo for now. From the way it sounded, the Gibson imo would probably have a bigger difference on my tone and it's something nicer to play as well.

Also, my parents aren't guitarists and they will probably be strongly opposed to me getting a new amp because they'll just say 'you already have one, you can't play two at once and you don't need it'. :P Unless I were to sell my Bugera but I don't think I want to do that.
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Bought the JCA2112rc for $650 only a couple of months ago. If only I knew this was going to happen. I would have grabbed the 50w then.
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That would be a fine choice.
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The 5212.
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If I could afford it I'd go for the head so it's easier if you ever want to buy a good speaker cab but they seem to be discounting the combo more and it's a fine amp, basically a Soldano Lucky 13. I'd rock down to their shop and see what they can do on a package deal.
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If I could afford it I'd go for the head so it's easier if you ever want to buy a good speaker cab but they seem to be discounting the combo more and it's a fine amp, basically a Soldano Lucky 13. I'd rock down to their shop and see what they can do on a package deal.

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If I could afford it I'd go for the head so it's easier if you ever want to buy a good speaker cab but they seem to be discounting the combo more and it's a fine amp, basically a Soldano Lucky 13. I'd rock down to their shop and see what they can do on a package deal.


What's a Lucky 13? I'm guessing the 50/100 models are based more off a SLO?
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Oh, and btw, at some stage you'll probably want to upgrade the speakers in the JCA combo. That's something that can wait though. The stock ones aren't the best but they are perfectly functional. That's a bridge you can cross another day.


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#38
If I do get one it'll probably be a head, either the JCA20h or 50h. I'll have to try them out but if they give me that kind of warm lead tone that my Bugera is seriously lacking then I'll consider them.