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#41
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Sarcasm.


I got that much, and that was why I was wondering what the **** it was, because it was complete bullshit.
#42
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That and the fact the idea of killing other people so long as they aren't Muslim is, apparently, a-ok.

How about we just don't kill anybody regardless of whom their imaginary friend is.


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#43
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I got that much, and that was why I was wondering what the **** it was, because it was complete bullshit.

I believe sarcasm, by nature, is bullshit, so yes.
#45
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carpet bomb ----->> no more problem

How is bombing carpets going to solve anything?
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#46
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No way is there going to be an all-out war between the two countries. Just no way. Sure, there could be skirmishes with bombs and planes or whatever, but I highly doubt infantry will be included. Turkey and Syria are brothers, I'm Turkish, I'd never kill another Muslim at war. Never. I think they have the same mentality, and hopefully this won't get any bigger. I don't think it will.
Wouldn't it depend on their actions though rather than nationality and religion? Like I understand that you identify with other Muslims more just as I would identify with Americans or Europeans, but are you saying that you wouldn't ever kill another Muslim no matter what kind of awful stuff they might be doing?

For example, I wouldn't want to kill any average American in a full war, because they'd be part of a regular force who may or may not completely agree with the war and would hopefully be abiding by the rules of war (uniforms, no targeting civilians, etc.). But if there was suddenly a large militant group that popped up down in America that started doing the things to Canadians that some Muslims do to other Muslims -- such as leaving a van or explosives in a busy commercial area -- I'd probably would be much more prepared to shoot them knowing they're being dicks because they want to be, not because they have to be.

This is all speculation of course since no one can really know how ready they'd be to kill another person until they've done it, but you get where I'm coming from.
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#47
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How is bombing carpets going to solve anything?

They can't use their flying carpets to travel, thus crippling their transportation system and forcing the targets to stay isolated and immobilized while they are forced to rely on their genies in bottles and weird looking pointed toe shoes.
#48
Quote by Pat_s1t
Wouldn't it depend on their actions though rather than nationality and religion? Like as a Canadian I wouldn't want to kill any average American in a full war, because they'd be part of a regular force who may or may not completely agree with the war and would hopefully be abiding by the rules of war (uniforms, no targeting civilians, etc.). But if there was suddenly a large militant group that popped up down in America that started doing the things to Canadians that some Muslims do to other Muslims -- such as leaving a van or explosives in a busy commercial area -- I'd probably would be much more prepared to shoot them knowing they're being dicks because they want to be, not because they have to be.

This is all speculation of course since no one can really know how ready they'd be to kill another person until they've done it, but you get where I'm coming from.

Remember the FLQ? They killed people, they bombed and firebombed shit. Not to the massive extent as it happens in the middle east but in the same systematical fashion.

A civil war would never happen in Canada though, it's almost impossible. A confrontational war between the states would be stupid, as we generally like each other, then again we all know the US's reputation when it comes to taking oil and we have the largest untapped amounts in the world. I think if shit would hit the fan between us two, we would fight like the ''dur à cuirs'' that we are but we would take advantage of our vast and unforgiving north to lure them into unknown territory.
#50
Quote by metalblaster
Remember the FLQ? They killed people, they bombed and firebombed shit. Not to the massive extent as it happens in the middle east but in the same systematical fashion.

A civil war would never happen in Canada though, it's almost impossible. A confrontational war between the states would be stupid, as we generally like each other, then again we all know the US's reputation when it comes to taking oil and we have the largest untapped amounts in the world. I think if shit would hit the fan between us two, we would fight like the ''dur à cuirs'' that we are but we would take advantage of our vast and unforgiving north to lure them into unknown territory.
The FLQ was small enough to be taken care of by police and a small amount of army personnel though right? Compared to the huge amount it would take to fight a group similar to the size of Al-Qaeda. I know that there'd probably never be a civil war Canada or a confrontation with the United States, but what about a WWI/WWII scenario where we're fighting Germans? They're also Christian and white, and I'd probably feel pretty uncomfortable if I had to go to war with them knowing they live just like we do. But if I could rest assured everyone I was fighting was say on the same dickish level as an SS officer who knew exactly what they were doing to people, then yeah it'd probably be a lot easier.
#51
The way I see it, Turkey holds the key to World War III.

If Turkey invades Syria as a result of Assad's actions, Iran will tag along against Turkey. If they have a nuclear weapon by the time this happens, NATO might find itself compelled to aid Turkey, possibly excluding the USA. A war between the West and Syria & Iran could provoke the Russians and the Chinese to move in on their oil supply/arms consumers. Then it's a matter of Europe being able to withstand both Russia and China or not that will determine whether the USA joins against the East.

Speculative as ****, but frightening as hell.
#52
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The way I see it, Turkey holds the key to World War III.

If Turkey invades Syria as a result of Assad's actions, Iran will tag along against Turkey. If they have a nuclear weapon by the time this happens, NATO might find itself compelled to aid Turkey, possibly excluding the USA. A war between the West and Syria & Iran could provoke the Russians and the Chinese to move in on their oil supply/arms consumers. Then it's a matter of Europe being able to withstand both Russia and China or not that will determine whether the USA joins against the East.

Speculative as ****, but frightening as hell.



in other words the shit could hit the fan hard and fast. Flinging poo errwhere.

Russia and China are waiting in the chamber for Assad to load up and point at their enemies. He knows we dont want full scale war and both china and russia do too. Thats why they brazenly accused us of "tampering" and "hindering" the movement in syria when they all along were supporting assad.

We are seeing one of the great tragedies of human history with our very own eyes. Yet many people dont even know this is going on. At one point a couple months ago entire towns were being wiped out with 150-200 people being killed in a s single raid. The majority being civilians(something like 65+ percent being women and adolescents 10-20). They were lining people up and just cutting their throats or shooting them.

Seriously humanity come together. We are destroying ourselves. Just pure self destruction the likes the animal kingdom has never seen. We may end up the only species ever to cause its own destruction with direct actions. Dinosaurs needed a meteor or climate change. Dodo birds just didnt step up their game. Humans? We do all the work ourselves. No help needed from outside influences. We made our own. Religion being the most severe but that is another rant.
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#53
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#55
Excuse my ignorance (or don't) but it' s been a while since I've been following what' s happening over there but wasn't the whole conflict to kick out a dictator or something, I though that was already done, why is the conflict still going on? Or am I mixing my information, because I remember that the whole conflict started about the same time that the Libya problem started.

And in that note, is there a place where I can read all that has happened or something?
#56
I'm currently watching the news and apparently the Turkish government just gave their military the green light to conduct cross border operations into Syria whenever it deems necessary.
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#57
@jackal58: Not seeing the paranoia but okay. It should have said.....


"Im dont always rant, but when i do i rant wildly"

Or something to that effect im not a comedian.
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#58
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@jackal58: Not seeing the paranoia but okay. It should have said.....


"Im dont always rant, but when i do i rant wildly"

Or something to that effect im not a comedian.

no, i think paranoid is fine
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#59
Quote by Lord_Doku
The way I see it, Turkey holds the key to World War III.

If Turkey invades Syria as a result of Assad's actions, Iran will tag along against Turkey. If they have a nuclear weapon by the time this happens, NATO might find itself compelled to aid Turkey, possibly excluding the USA. A war between the West and Syria & Iran could provoke the Russians and the Chinese to move in on their oil supply/arms consumers. Then it's a matter of Europe being able to withstand both Russia and China or not that will determine whether the USA joins against the East.

Speculative as ****, but frightening as hell.


IF.

That's lol worthy. We all know they most likely have all the fuel ready to go, as they have for a while now. It's fairly obvious once you do the research. Now the real question is if we have intelligence agencies who know about it. That's the real wonder. Because it would be awfully smart for, let's say the CIA, to know that Iran has nuclear weapons (or basically have the cannon fodder with the barrel and ball sitting together waiting for action) and let Iran essentially commit suicide by using said nuclear weapon(s).

Think of it, if Iran uses a nuke, they kill however many millions (nukes usually have an effective blast radius of an average city) and then they face the wrath of a massive global shitstorm until there is total eradication and annihilation of Iran. It would be much more than a perfectly golden excuse to invade/bomb the living and dead shit out of them if they were to use a nuke. I'm seriously betting they already got a few nukes lined up just for shits or mainly in spite of other countries like Russia and the U.S. who have had them stockpiled starting from the 50s and 60s. But it's a much different scenario if they are currently producing them as we speak, which I think most people would agree, is almost certain. The doubt can be only be eliminated once we see the actual donkey dick missiles poking out of the silos. And usually by that time it's a little late.

I think there's two options possibly at play here:

The current viewpoint: We have all this info and intel that points to them producing unnecessarily high purities and amounts of uranium fit for weapons, not to mention the production process is massively huge compared to what's needed for power generation and also not to mention it's bizarrely different than what you would expect for the purpose of power generation.

The other option: The first viewpoint remains, EXCEPT you (being the CIA and all) have confirmation, with 100% certainty, that weapons are being produced, or that detonation cores are being built/designed or missile parts are being manufactured (etc...) and you let them use it so they can invoke endless amounts of revenge on themselves from opposing countries. It's the perfect excuse. They bomb Turkey, they try to bomb Israel, they try and launch one at the states (which would end up getting shot out of the sky right over their heads) or whatever country they believe is all evil to them or zionist and whatnot, and they give literally anyone and everyone the golden opportunity to turn that place into the Moon's surface.
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#60
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#61
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IF.

That's lol worthy. We all know they most likely have all the fuel ready to go, as they have for a while now. It's fairly obvious once you do the research. Now the real question is if we have intelligence agencies who know about it. That's the real wonder. Because it would be awfully smart for, let's say the CIA, to know that Iran has nuclear weapons (or basically have the cannon fodder with the barrel and ball sitting together waiting for action) and let Iran essentially commit suicide by using said nuclear weapon(s).

Think of it, if Iran uses a nuke, they kill however many millions (nukes usually have an effective blast radius of an average city) and then they face the wrath of a massive global shitstorm until there is total eradication and annihilation of Iran. It would be much more than a perfectly golden excuse to invade/bomb the living and dead shit out of them if they were to use a nuke. I'm seriously betting they already got a few nukes lined up just for shits or mainly in spite of other countries like Russia and the U.S. who have had them stockpiled starting from the 50s and 60s. But it's a much different scenario if they are currently producing them as we speak, which I think most people would agree, is almost certain. The doubt can be only be eliminated once we see the actual donkey dick missiles poking out of the silos. And usually by that time it's a little late.

I think there's two options possibly at play here:

The current viewpoint: We have all this info and intel that points to them producing unnecessarily high purities and amounts of uranium fit for weapons, not to mention the production process is massively huge compared to what's needed for power generation and also not to mention it's bizarrely different than what you would expect for the purpose of power generation.

The other option: The first viewpoint remains, EXCEPT you (being the CIA and all) have confirmation, with 100% certainty, that weapons are being produced, or that detonation cores are being built/designed or missile parts are being manufactured (etc...) and you let them use it so they can invoke endless amounts of revenge on themselves from opposing countries. It's the perfect excuse. They bomb Turkey, they try to bomb Israel, they try and launch one at the states (which would end up getting shot out of the sky right over their heads) or whatever country they believe is all evil to them or zionist and whatnot, and they give literally anyone and everyone the golden opportunity to turn that place into the Moon's surface.


The whole idea that Iran would just start nuking other states is so batshit retarded I don't even know how to respond to people dumb enough to believe that idiocy.
#63
I think the whole Iran getting nukes thing isnt about Iran wanting to nuke anyone, rather just a deterrent. That way, they can turn up the heat on Israel and fund revolutionaries/terrorists in an attempt to shape the region as it sees fit without any significant backlash.
#64
Oh man I think I'm going to go and read some IR literature to cleanse this thread from my brain.
#65
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Oh man I think I'm going to go and read some IR literature to cleanse this thread from my brain.


Realist?
#66
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The whole idea that Iran would just start nuking other states is so batshit retarded I don't even know how to respond to people dumb enough to believe that idiocy.

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#67
Well, this thread has taught me two things...

1) The Syrian situation is getting even closer to war.

2) There is a surprising number of people on here who have no idea what is going on in the world... it's as though some people haven't looked at a newspaper or caught 5mins of the news for the last 18 months or so.
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#68
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Realist?


Vaguely. Not really sure, I like the idea of being something else, but end up just going "that's how the system works bro". Are you an IR student per se? I see you posting well-informedly on too many topics to pin you down
#69
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Excuse my ignorance (or don't) but it' s been a while since I've been following what' s happening over there but wasn't the whole conflict to kick out a dictator or something, I though that was already done, why is the conflict still going on? Or am I mixing my information, because I remember that the whole conflict started about the same time that the Libya problem started.

And in that note, is there a place where I can read all that has happened or something?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war
#70
Quote by magnus_maximus
It really is worrying how ignorant people are about... everything, really.
If there's one thing I've learned from this thread, it's UG isn't nearly as aware of what's going on in the world as I thought they were.
#71
Quote by magnus_maximus
It really is worrying how ignorant people are about... everything, really.

what are you talking about? i can't find Syria on a map, but i KNOW that nuking it would be nothing but beneficial to the world.
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#72
Quote by magnus_maximus
It's the same everywhere man. In developed cultures like ours society is kept stable and docile through distraction, and by sending the fit, disenfranchised young men overseas at war. It's a large part of why America is so belligerent, showbiz, commercialisation and sport mad. Capitalism is maintained by the false promise of hope so TV showers us with success stories which give us aspirations of matching them - maybe one day if we work hard our son could be the NFL quarterback that nails the 4th quarter Hail Mary, or we can be the next John Dyson or Jim Marshall. Whether it's intentional or not society has tends to breed a class of people we're told to aspire to be and we're saturated with imagery which glorifies it.

Either that or I've been reading too much Chomsky.


After the word 'distraction' I thought to myself "Steady on Noam". Then I skipped to the end and lel'ed.
#73
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You're a fucking moron who offers very little to the world, if you genuinely believe that.

teehee.
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#74
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Vaguely. Not really sure, I like the idea of being something else, but end up just going "that's how the system works bro". Are you an IR student per se? I see you posting well-informedly on too many topics to pin you down


I have a variety of interests, but I'm kind of in an IR tract right now. I was supposed to do IR and IPE but the guy who runs the IPE stuff got promoted so he isn't teaching anything right now :/
#75
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It really is worrying how ignorant people are about... everything, really.

The really scary part is they vote.
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#76
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The whole idea that Iran would just start nuking other states is so batshit retarded I don't even know how to respond to people dumb enough to believe that idiocy.

What the **** else would they do with them? I mean, the only reason why major powers like U.S. and Russia have shit tons of nukes is because they mass produced them during the cold war, and now they kind of have no choice but to keep them, considering that nuclear waste disposal is extremely costly, not to mention time consuming (thousands of years) and even still dangerous.

Now the subject of actually making nuclear weapons in today's current time changes the situation completely. Which is why this whole Iran thing is becoming kind of a big deal.
#77
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What the **** else would they do with them?

What does everyone else do with theirs?
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#78
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What does everyone else do with theirs?

They keep them away from basically everyone, but mostly they don't produce new ones. All these nukes were made in a time where WWIII was imminent every single day, and where the opposing enemies had over-inflated heads and actually though hundreds of nukes would be useful even though MAD is inevitable either way.

Those who have those nukes have to live with their past, unfortunately, but rightfully so, it's up to them to take care of their dirty laundry. The fact that Iran is almost certainly making nukes is just a bitch slap to everything all of us (all of the people who were involved in large wars, such as WWII and the cold war) have had to learn. Or maybe at least for those who did maybe learn something, regardless if fistycuffs were dealt or not.
#79
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They keep them away from basically everyone, but mostly they don't produce new ones. All these nukes were made in a time where WWIII was imminent every single day

Actually the newest member of the 'nuclear club,' Pakistan first showcased their nukes in the 90s.

And Iran is still in the middle of a very conflict-ridden region so I don't know what the Cold War being over for us has to do with their defense policy.
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#80
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Actually the newest member of the 'nuclear club,' Pakistan first showcased their nukes in the 90s.

And Iran is still in the middle of a very conflict-ridden region so I don't know what the Cold War being over for us has to do with their defense policy.

Well they probably don't give a shit about the whole cold war thing, but it would be wise for them to understand that because of the cold war, one thing we learned (especially after, when all the secrets spilled) is that we could have seriously ****ed up our earth in a very short amount of time. So much so that we could have most likely eradicated the human race with the combined amount of braun held by both sides. To be honest though, I wouldn't expect them to go as far as analyzing something like that.

Maybe they could have kept this to a warm level and later things would have cooled off (a.k.a. Pakistan, yes your point is true, however I'm sure they love not having the finger pointed at them because they may have handled things differently), but Mahmoud I'm-a-dinner-jacket has to go around shitting on everyone's doorstep by saying shit like how he hates anyone who doesn't support him, or how he wants to have the world transformed into a single all-Muslim union of sorts, or how he wants to eradicate the Zionists and wipe Israel off the map.

Like shit man, you could've shut your ****in' mouth and made your nukes in silence, and at least have your chance at successfully launching them. But no, instead you use your primitive ****ing 400 year old religious mentality to act like an ape and now you asked everyone to pull your finger and we're all watching you like hawks waiting for you to commit suicide by provoking us. Fine by us, too bad for you though.