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Marshall MG15 is a crappy amp that sounds awful? Well, Ola Englund just uploaded this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be9oMgWXC3g&feature=g-u-u

I'm not just advertising fearedse here, I'd actually like to see peoples opinions on this vid. The MG stereotype is that you cannot get them to sound good, and that almost any amp is better than one. This video still proves that it might be wrong to blame the amp if you cannot use it to it's full extent...

To be honest, Ola himself said that the amp was awful. But it was still entertaining and interesting to hear it sounding so good. Maybe I can get some discussion out of this since I'm bored
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I can't watch the video at work, but I'm guessing the moral of the story is that you can make anything sound good with proper recording and post processing techniques...
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I can't watch the video at work, but I'm guessing the moral of the story is that you can make anything sound good with proper recording and post processing techniques...


No post EQ used in the recording
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I don't think the MG stereotype is that nobody could ever get a decent sound out of it. To me the consensus is just that it's a crappy overpriced amp. There's a lot of this strawman argument going on with popular budget gear.

The fact that Ola can get a good sound out of an amp to me just indicates that it's turned on. It says nothing about the quality or value of it.
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No post EQ used in the recording

He hasn't said he didn't use any gates or compressors, or double tracking (you can duplicate a track and still have both on one side)
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I don't think the MG stereotype is that nobody could ever get a decent sound out of it. To me the consensus is just that it's a crappy overpriced amp. There's a lot of this strawman argument going on with popular budget gear.

The fact that Ola can get a good sound out of an amp to me just indicates that it's turned on. It says nothing about the quality or value of it.


exactly. there's a lot of this oversimplifying (not to mention strawmanning) going on (not just with guitar stuff), which is really annoying. The only two options aren't "sounds acceptable" and "doesn't sound acceptable". It's a continuum. There are better amps available for the same price (and which are more versatile, too). To me, that means the MG isn't so great.

I mean, what's the point of the vid? "Good player makes budget gear sound not too bad on a youtube vid with pro recording gear and maybe post-processing?"

Wow, that's a revelation.

Plus, I mean would you buy one? I know when I'm buying gear, I'm not buying stuff which "can be just about dialled in to sound vaguely acceptable", I'm buying stuff that I think is good.
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He hasn't said he didn't use any gates or compressors, or double tracking (you can duplicate a track and still have both on one side)



No gates or compressions used.

And is double tracking not allowed now? You can hear the parts where there is a single guitar playing and then two guitars playing. Doesn't that show how the amp sounds? Geezus I just love how people are experts... If you don't like the video don't watch it...
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No gates or compressions used.

And is double tracking not allowed now? You can hear the parts where there is a single guitar playing and then two guitars playing. Doesn't that show how the amp sounds? Geezus I just love how people are experts... If you don't like the video don't watch it...


i'd say anything is fair game, double tracking is pretty standard.

the video isn't my cup 'o tea, but i watched it cuz someone posted it and i was interested in someone 'making an MG sound good'.

since i am big on personal preference, then i don't hold any absolutes when it comes to guitar tone. i just try to observe the positives and negatives:

-i thought the tone was a bit buzzy sounding. that might have been a result of the smaller speaker and the mid cut/treble boosted setting on the EQ.
-i though the guitar tone actually positioned itself in the mix quite well, the low end was well covered by the bass and kick.

just about any gear can be used to good effect, and this was one video that def played to the MG's strengths.

if you are THE Ola in the vid, then good job on the vid. people should realize that a good approach to overall tone is more important than the gear you work with.

i am no expert, just an amateur who desires to improve himself.
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i'd say anything is fair game, double tracking is pretty standard.

the video isn't my cup 'o tea, but i watched it cuz someone posted it and i was interested in someone 'making an MG sound good'.

since i am big on personal preference, then i don't hold any absolutes when it comes to guitar tone. i just try to observe the positives and negatives:

-i thought the tone was a bit buzzy sounding. that might have been a result of the smaller speaker and the mid cut/treble boosted setting on the EQ.
-i though the guitar tone actually positioned itself in the mix quite well, the low end was well covered by the bass and kick.

just about any gear can be used to good effect, and this was one video that def played to the MG's strengths.

if you are THE Ola in the vid, then good job on the vid. people should realize that a good approach to overall tone is more important than the gear you work with.

i am no expert, just an amateur who desires to improve himself.


Thank you

to be fair, if you listened to the part where I play it by its own(in the beginning and a bit into the song) it doesn't sounds good. I never thought it sounded good at all. BUT with a bass guitar and drums, it works. I do know how to dial a tone that will fit together with a bass guitar and drums and that's what I'm going for in my videos(since I don't use post processing or eq afterwards)

Also my thoughts are like this: People buying a MG15 are probably on a budget, SO they are probably either starting learning playing guitar and has a budget guitar to go with it. It's bound to sound like ass. Even with my S7G guitar with Seymour Duncan pickups it sounds like ass.

With that said having budget stuff isn't a bad thing at all or makes you a terrible player. In some countries there is hard as **** just to get decent gear that's not overpriced. So I can definitely see these small combos sell. As practice rigs, I don't think they're meant to be recorded

This is probably one of the worst amps I've ever tried but if you just hit those strings hard as ****, power will shine through even the most sucky equipment.
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Sometimes I think people listen to too much GUITAR, and not enough MUSIC.

Songwriting is very important. Ola has dialed in a tone that fits very well with the tune he's playing along to.
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This was already posted in our chat thread in the Recording forum, but:

Honestly, it sounds really stuffy in the mids to me, and pretty boxy (though that's to be expected from a 8" speaker) It sounds pretty flat and lifeless when it's solo'd at the beginning, but once the rest of the instruments come in, it's definitely thickened up by the bass.

Better than I expected, but definitely not anywhere close to my favorite tones from you, Ola. I feel like the 7 string really adds to the sound though, which is why I've never really loved any of your tones, but they also aren't bad, by any means. It's just, nearly all 7 string productions sound super boring to me, all very one-dimensional tones, though I think that helps the MG in this case.

Unless a demo is done with a 6 string, it really doesn't mean anything to me, because you lose so much frequency range by only chugging on the super low strings, that the actually sound of the amp can't really be judged that well

I'm not meaning to bash you though, Ola - I really enjoy a lot of your tunes, and this video was definitely a really good effort at dispelling the notion that these amps can't sound good. While this certainly isn't a tone that I'd use for an official release, I'm sure it would be perfectly passable live.
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Quote by MatrixClaw
This was already posted in our chat thread in the Recording forum, but:

Honestly, it sounds really stuffy in the mids to me, and pretty boxy (though that's to be expected from a 8" speaker) It sounds pretty flat and lifeless when it's solo'd at the beginning, but once the rest of the instruments come in, it's definitely thickened up by the bass.

Better than I expected, but definitely not anywhere close to my favorite tones from you, Ola. I feel like the 7 string really adds to the sound though, which is why I've never really loved any of your tones, but they also aren't bad, by any means. It's just, nearly all 7 string productions sound super boring to me, all very one-dimensional tones, though I think that helps the MG in this case.

Unless a demo is done with a 6 string, it really doesn't mean anything to me, because you lose so much frequency range by only chugging on the super low strings, that the actually sound of the amp can't really be judged that well

I'm not meaning to bash you though, Ola - I really enjoy a lot of your tunes, and this video was definitely a really good effort at dispelling the notion that these amps can't sound good. While this certainly isn't a tone that I'd use for an official release, I'm sure it would be perfectly passable live.



I agree, my 7-string AND the way I picking shines through all of my videos. So to the people saying I'm getting the same sound in all my demos, yes well it's still my scratchy picking technique, my guitars etc so it's bound to sound like me playing.

And no man THANK you. I don't mind people not liking my sound, at times I hate it myself hahaha.
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I just have a problem with the original poster claiming the video shows that the mg is not awful.

you get a usable tone out of it...but it's not nearly as good as any of your other videos.

of course it is a practice amp...which makes the mg15 alright...

but marshall sells tons of the 100watt stacks too...

that's no good.
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Good god I think they made the mg even shittier, it didn't sound that bad in the vid when everything else was playing mainly because it got burried in the mix.
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His picking technique helps it a lot.
I've noticed you have a really heavy handed, hard hitting palm mute.
It seems to be where most of the balls in your chugs come from.

I thought it was decent for what it is.

I'm just not a fan of most of your tones.
They're not my cup of tea, but they're great for what they are.

Your production is ridiculously good though.
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Quote by Ola Englund
No gates or compressions used.

And is double tracking not allowed now? You can hear the parts where there is a single guitar playing and then two guitars playing. Doesn't that show how the amp sounds? Geezus I just love how people are experts... If you don't like the video don't watch it...


ah ok, no worries

I wouldn't say double-tracking isn't allowed, obviously loads of people do it. But if you're trying to hear what the amp sounds like, it's going to sound thicker (presumably? I'm definitely no expert on recording, never claimed to be ) than a single track.

I still stand by what i said, though- can a good player like you make an MG sound kind-of-alright? Sure. Does that mean I recommend that people buy them? No.

Thanks for posting, by the way.

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you get a usable tone out of it...but it's not nearly as good as any of your other videos.


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ah ok, no worries

I wouldn't say double-tracking isn't allowed, obviously loads of people do it. But if you're trying to hear what the amp sounds like, it's going to sound thicker (presumably? I'm definitely no expert on recording, never claimed to be ) than a single track.


i can also see a backwards argument being made:

how often do you hear a guitar in music outside of the context of the mix? i actually am kinda irked that most 'gear demos' are completely isolated from any musical mix. i care very little for how a guitar/amp sounds all by itself, i want to hear it in the context of a mix.

you know when you see a beginner tweaking a tone they like and it is all by itself (i sure do remember it). then i took that tone that i liked and played with other people... and it was crap. it wasn't til i really started listening to music i recorded with my band that my guitar tone actually got better.

so basically a reverse argument for stating 'how do you know what a guitar will sound like with music until you produce some music with it' and double tracking is a valid production technique. i would want to hear how an amp double tracks before buying it if i had that option.

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I still stand by what i said, though- can a good player like you make an MG sound kind-of-alright? Sure. Does that mean I recommend that people buy them? No.


i don't even think the MG sounds 'good', i think he used it very well in the context of the mix though.

when i had my valvestate it just got completely lost in a mix, i had the small one with the 8" speaker too and it sounded pretty similar to that MG demo (except my SS marshall had TWO gain knobs, badass)
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(a) i can also see a backwards argument being made:

how often do you hear a guitar in music outside of the context of the mix? i actually am kinda irked that most 'gear demos' are completely isolated from any musical mix. i care very little for how a guitar/amp sounds all by itself, i want to hear it in the context of a mix.

you know when you see a beginner tweaking a tone they like and it is all by itself (i sure do remember it). then i took that tone that i liked and played with other people... and it was crap. it wasn't til i really started listening to music i recorded with my band that my guitar tone actually got better.

so basically a reverse argument for stating 'how do you know what a guitar will sound like with music until you produce some music with it' and double tracking is a valid production technique. i would want to hear how an amp double tracks before buying it if i had that option.


(b) i don't even think the MG sounds 'good', i think he used it very well in the context of the mix though.

when i had my valvestate it just got completely lost in a mix, i had the small one with the 8" speaker too and it sounded pretty similar to that MG demo (except my SS marshall had TWO gain knobs, badass)


(a) that's a very good point

(b) Agreed

also lol at the valvestate thing
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The MG stereotype is that you cannot get them to sound good, and that almost any amp is better than one.

No its not. The argument is that you can get much better for less. /pointlessthread

(Also that sounds pretty bad.)
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No its not. The argument is that you can get much better for the less. /pointlessthread


agreed. as colin said, lots of straw man arguments going round.
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Cool. I really dig that video, it shows exactly what you can do with an MG, and all it's limitations. Nice job Ola, I always like videos like this where you work with a cheapie piece and make it decent. Still sounded like an MG but it was a badass MG
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What you showed was in the context of a mix you can get away with a lot - but when everything else stops you'll sound like crap. If that was what you were intending to demonstrate then
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Quote by Ola Englund
Thanks guys,

That's also why I try to incorporate those short bits where you can hear the one track by itself in the center and then panned, then back to the song. just trying to please everyone but it's hard as ****


first off, you are a master as far as the videos you make, from the production aspect as well as the tone on the amps you make video of.

i agree with a few people who said most of your videos sound similar, even this to others, i think that part of it comes with your playing style which is consistent in all of your videos.

also i agree with MC when he said that the 7 string you always play makes the clips a lot more is hard to relate with when you are a guitarist who plays mostly in standard 99% of the time and C#std the remainder.

six stringers in E sound quite different then sevens or baritones in Bstd or drop A or lower, so it makes the tone hard to relate with me.

however when not in the mix when they are played alone straight up they sound terrible, your mix is what makes them sound a lot different.

i also have to agree (with whom i forgot) that just because your clip sounds excellent i would recommend to a guitarist. mostly because they can get better bang for their buck. for instance the vypyr. i think they are close in price and there is no competition.

the worst thing that happens is when somebody buys a MG head and a 4x12"

i also wouldn't use your video to recommend as an example of an amp to a beginner because the mix is very well and hides some of the shittier aspects of the amp. and they would hear something completely different on their couch plugged into one.

in conclusion i agree with somebody else, that you maxxed out what is possible by an MG. and not how it sounds in any other situation.

please take no insult, its just my opinion, and i watch and enjoy a lot of your videos, and i certainly agree with your statement that you can't make everybody happy. that never is the case in guitars or much more life.
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I honestly think the mg 6 string raw clip sounded awesome. Only listened to it through my truck radio and not monitors, but I can't make my old mg30 sound anything like that.
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What I like is that you've started doing the whole "Guitar by itself - Guitar double tracked by itself" then jump back into the mix. Gives the viewer a good insight into the potential in a studio/band environment as well as general practice and home use.

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Just for the shit of it, I made a play through just now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-xpaMmtBBI

Man, I definitely have a new respect for you, Ola!

Appreciate you doing a video with a 6 (hopefully not just on my account, but either way, great to see you making a video based on what people want to hear!).

Honestly, I like the 6 string tone out of the MG much better. The tone isn't as boxy and weird sounding in the mids, though it's definitely very fizzy. I assume the fuller sound I'm hearing is probably due to the fact that the little 8" speaker in that thing can't recreate the lower tone of the 7 string very well, and has an easier time with the 6. Honestly - With some processing, I think the 6 string tone COULD work fairly well in a serious release. It's actually a better tone than I've heard out of half the Diezel/Framus/Mesa/whatever demos on YouTube
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Man, I definitely have a new respect for you, Ola!

Appreciate you doing a video with a 6 (hopefully not just on my account, but either way, great to see you making a video based on what people want to hear!).

Honestly, I like the 6 string tone out of the MG much better. The tone isn't as boxy and weird sounding in the mids, though it's definitely very fizzy. I assume the fuller sound I'm hearing is probably due to the fact that the little 8" speaker in that thing can't recreate the lower tone of the 7 string very well, and has an easier time with the 6. Honestly - With some processing, I think the 6 string tone COULD work fairly well in a serious release. It's actually a better tone than I've heard out of half the Diezel/Framus/Mesa/whatever demos on YouTube



Well just a bit because of your post

Well it makes sense to show it in standard tuning. I just keep forgetting that all the time cause 80% of my guitars are lower tuned.