Poll: Your opinion?
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I live in the EU and think the Euro will survive.
13 13%
I live outside the EU and think the Euro will survive.
7 7%
I live in the EU and think the Euro will survive but some countries will leave.
15 15%
I live outside the EU and think the Euro will survive but some countries will leave.
14 14%
I live in the EU and don't give a shit.
3 3%
I live outside the EU and don't give a shit.
14 14%
I'm Welsh and sell sheep for sex so no matter what happens, I'll always have a market.
5 5%
I think the worst is still to come.
15 15%
I fap to Romney.
2 2%
I find it difficult to fap to Romney, but still do.
15 15%
Voters: 103.
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Philip_pepper
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#1
I'm in Spain just now and they are discussing the possibility of getting a bail out. What is your opinion?

Greece is a shambles, Ireland is bad, Portugal has rising unemployment, Spain has 25% unemployment which is still rising.

Meanwhile, all of these countries are witnessing ever increasing taxes and riots.

Are bailouts the way out of this crisis? Or are things going to blow up?
toBetheVeryBest
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#3
Don't know much about EU, but from my knowledge gathered from my Intro to Economics class Confederacies usually seem to end pretty badly.
CoreysMonster
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#4
Sittin' in Germany, the only thing I'm worried about is Merkel bailing the rest of Europe out instead of saying "Fuck it, you're on your own" and not let this country get dragged down with the rest.

If that happens, I'm moving to Scandinavia. Preferrably Sweden, though if shit really hits the fan Norway. Or Switzerland.
Last edited by CoreysMonster at Oct 6, 2012,
RiffsanBridges
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#5
Here in Denmark we're discussing the problems in Greece and Spain a lot. Ireland's financial status is getting out of hand, so yeah, we're preparing for a split in EU. Whether I want it or not, I don't really know.
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Philip_pepper
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#6
Quote by CoreysMonster
Sittin' in Germany, the only thing I'm worried about is Merkel bailing the rest of Europe out instead of saying "Fuck it, you're on your own" and not let this country get dragged down with the rest.

If that happens, I'm moving to Scandinavia. Preferrably Sweden, though if shit really hits the fan Norway. Or Switzerland.


Good luck staying in Norway or Switzerland.
homeless-john
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#11
I don't want to find Romney attractive but I'm just sitting there and he comes on the screen and I'm like "...yeah." and it all just kinda snowballs from there.

I find it hard to look in the mirror.
CoreysMonster
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#12
Quote by Philip_pepper
Aren't you half American anyway?

I don't like the way things are looking over there, either
slipknot5678
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#14
I'm confident that the crisis will eventually start to turn back around and the EU will survive. There will need to be some changes though, and I haven't figured out how Greece won't be ****ed for years.
Lord_Doku
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#15
Bailouts have never been the way to rise out of an economic crisis. Not by themselves.

Economic reform at the smallest levels won't cut it either. The whole spectrum of the economy, from what type of economy your country has to what kinds of restrictions your country has put on speculants, from bartering rules to banking rules, it all needs to be looked at in a scientifical-statistical way, without ideology influencing the search for the problems and solving them.

For instance, neo-liberalism has shown itself to be just as incompetent as the neo-classicalism that reigned during the early half of the 20th century. True, our crisis is not as bad, but we're already outpacing the Great Depression when it comes to longevity.

In the end, I think the biggest problem is that people lack the money to buy all the things our modern economy needs to get sold in order for it to function. Prices have risen, paychecks haven't. Social housing is no longer affordable by the average factory worker, he needs subsidising for that to happen now. And on top of that, everyone is coerced into buying expensive items like cars, fashion or other luxuries, that nobody knows what they want anymore and keep their money in their pocket until they make their mind up. That makes the prices rise even further when done en masse.

And that's just 16 million people in Europe's commercial main port. I'm not informed of the situation in Germany, France, the UK or any other country that matters, but I can imagine similar issues that just won't get resolved by the bourgeois politicians.

Concluding: the worst is yet to come if it keeps going this way. Syria is more of a problem though. World wars and all that.
jambi_mantra
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#16
The Union will fracture, the UK will leave atleast. The currency will survive but Greece and Spain at the least will end up leaving it. Was a stupid idea in the first place
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RiffsanBridges
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#17
Quote by jambi_mantra
The Union will fracture, the UK will leave atleast. The currency will survive but Greece and Spain at the least will end up leaving it. Was a stupid idea in the first place

UK will leave at some point. But they don't contribute much. They're trying as much as they can to participate as little as possible, and let Germany take the big load alone. Sorry if I'm too straight forward but this is how I feel UK is reacting to EU's crisis.
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KGGeorgiou
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#18
The only country to benefit from the Euro is Germany... and maybe france, but thats it, it would be great if the EU split.
CoreysMonster
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#19
Quote by KGGeorgiou
The only country to benefit from the Euro is Germany... and maybe france, but thats it, it would be great if the EU split.

Benefit? How have we benefited? We've been sending shittons of money to other countries.
RiffsanBridges
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#20
Quote by CoreysMonster
Benefit? How have we benefited? We've been sending shittons of money to other countries.

Yeah, I won't exactly say that Germany is benefiting at all. They're trying to keep things together while other countries don't do shit or just don't care.
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JackalUK
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#21
Quote by RiffsanBridges
UK will leave at some point. But they don't contribute much. They're trying as much as they can to participate as little as possible, and let Germany take the big load alone. Sorry if I'm too straight forward but this is how I feel UK is reacting to EU's crisis.


That's cause the UK is fed up of propping a failing organisation.

Also we are the 4th largest contributor.
KGGeorgiou
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#22
Quote by CoreysMonster
Benefit? How have we benefited? We've been sending shittons of money to other countries.


Germany, along with france, have been lending money to countries (such as Greece), but with stupidly high interest rates.. which they know that the countries in debt will never be able to pay back, this means that they need to lend of other countries to pay the debt to germany. its an everlasting cycle
Death_switch
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#23
I don't know if the Euro will die out completely but it is inevitable that some countries will leave it in the future. It won't be limited to the poorer countries either, Germany will have to break apart eventually.
sfaune92
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#24
I meant to vote "I live in the EU and think the Euro will survive." cause England is in EU, but my home country (Norway) isn't, so I voted the second option...

I think the Euro will survive, but I'm not too sure about Spain and Greece, unless there are some serious bailouts and proper planning among the governments in those countries.
Last edited by sfaune92 at Oct 6, 2012,
slipknot5678
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#25
Hasn't Ireland improved? I know the country is still worse off than it was before 2008, with higher rates of unemployment, protests, etc. but the banks have been 'saved' haven't they? That doesn't help much for Ireland but I think that would help the broader EU crisis which would lead to an improvement for everybody.

To my knowledge, a few effected countries were showing signs of improvement. I guess that doesn't help too much since Greece is ****ed and Spain is increasingly getting more difficult (not to mention that obviously a huge portion of average Spaniards have had just as large of an impact), along with the growing pessimism regarding the European and by extension world economy.
Cianyx
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#26
Quote by KGGeorgiou
Germany, along with france, have been lending money to countries (such as Greece), but with stupidly high interest rates.. which they know that the countries in debt will never be able to pay back, this means that they need to lend of other countries to pay the debt to germany. its an everlasting cycle

To be fair, the richer EU nations have also been granting massive haircuts to PIIGS so it's not all rainbows and unicorns there either
seeneyj
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#27
Australia ftw
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Le Fantome
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#28
The EU will collapse, America will descend into anarchy, everybody will kill everybody, and then it'll all start over again.
It happens every once in awhile, cause...
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It's the circleeee of lifeeeeeee.


P.S: Best poll options ever.
Last edited by Le Fantome at Oct 6, 2012,
jambi_mantra
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#29
Quote by RiffsanBridges
UK will leave at some point. But they don't contribute much. They're trying as much as they can to participate as little as possible, and let Germany take the big load alone. Sorry if I'm too straight forward but this is how I feel UK is reacting to EU's crisis.



They contribute loads, that's why they're not participating because they stand to lose a lot when it inevitably falls apart. If they don't include themselves, they don't get bumraped by the consequences.

Quote by CoreysMonster
Benefit? How have we benefited? We've been sending shittons of money to other countries.



The single currency massively helped your manufacturing sector make you the economic power house you are atm.

Quote by JackalUK
That's cause the UK is fed up of propping a failing organisation.

Also we are the 4th largest contributor.


This

Quote by seeneyj
Australia ftw


Yea the most over priced nanny state, wooo!
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CoreysMonster
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#31
Quote by jambi_mantra
The single currency massively helped your manufacturing sector make you the economic power house you are atm.

It also caused inflation and overtaxation.

The Euro was supposed to be worth around double what the old Deutsche Mark was worth, and by now everything costs the same numeric price that it did back in the 90's with the DM. Did wages go up? Of course not. Sales tax rose from 15% to 19%, and all social and educational programs had their budgets slashed even further than in '89 when the reunification happened.

EDIT: and don't even get me started on the cigarette tax

EDIT2: They also rose the minimum retirement year from 65 to 67, and claim they don't have plans to raise it even further, but everybody knows that it's impossible for the current generation to pay for the older one's retirement, and most likely people in my generation are going to live their lives paying a huge ****ing chunk of money into the freaking retirement fund and won't ever get a penny of it back.

GERMAN RAAAAAAGEEE.
Last edited by CoreysMonster at Oct 6, 2012,
mybanez
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#32
Quote by jambi_mantra

This


Yea the most over priced nanny state, wooo!

Shits over priced because we earn lots and everyone works. The tax rate and tax on cigarettes is ridiculous but I think it's a big reason why we are so rich.
Hydra150
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#33
yourops shite
But boys will be boys and girls have those eyes
that'll cut you to ribbons, sometimes
and all you can do is just wait by the moon
and bleed if it's what she says you ought to do
jambi_mantra
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#34
Quote by CoreysMonster
It also caused inflation and overtaxation.

The Euro was supposed to be worth around double what the old Deutsche Mark was worth, and by now everything costs the same numeric price that it did back in the 90's with the DM. Did wages go up? Of course not. Sales tax rose from 15% to 19%, and all social and educational programs had their budgets slashed even further than in '89 when the reunification happened.

EDIT: and don't even get me started on the cigarette tax

EDIT2: They also rose the minimum retirement year from 65 to 67, and claim they don't have plans to raise it even further, but everybody knows that it's impossible for the current generation to pay for the older one's retirement, and most likely people in my generation are going to live their lives paying a huge ****ing chunk of money into the freaking retirement fund and won't ever get a penny of it back.

GERMAN RAAAAAAGEEE.



All true, I don't deny it. That's why lumping successful countries in with countries like Spain with a single currency was doomed to failure.

Quote by mybanez
Shits over priced because we earn lots and everyone works. The tax rate and tax on cigarettes is ridiculous but I think it's a big reason why we are so rich.



That's a highly simplified and inaccurate reasoning. It also goes no way to explain why with the Aussie dollar as high as it is, prices haven't come down, instead they've gone up.
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#35
Quote by jambi_mantra
All true, I don't deny it. That's why lumping successful countries in with countries like Spain with a single currency was doomed to failure.


That's a highly simplified and inaccurate reasoning. It also goes no way to explain why with the Aussie dollar as high as it is, prices haven't come down, instead they've gone up.

As you may have noticed from my previous post I know very little about this shit.
I say just shh and buy shit.
The only one that gets me is cigarettes.
jambi_mantra
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#36
The most ridiculously priced things here are:
1)Alcohol
2)Video games and other media (130 dollars for CoD? lol )
3) Fines. ($207 for not having a valid train ticket? $180 for speeding? wtf)
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Hydra150
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#38
becas theyr evil n the govmnt neds mor monyey
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jambi_mantra
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#39
Quote by WCPhils
Why do video games cost so much over there?



Honestly, I have no idea other than because they can charge that much. I assume it's because years ago when the aussie dollar was worth ~£2-3 it made sense. If a game is £40 then simple currency conversion would make the Australian price roughly $100. But now the dollar is worth more, the price should have gone down. I can buy a game from the UK and ship it here and still save about $15-20
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#40
Quote by jambi_mantra
The most ridiculously priced things here are:
1)Alcohol
2)Video games and other media (130 dollars for CoD? lol )
3) Fines. ($207 for not having a valid train ticket? $180 for speeding? wtf)

Alcohol doesn't seem so much to me $50 a carton isn't bad. Video games IMO are worth it as I enjoy them and they keep me happy for a week or so.
Also some how I have never got a fine, it's amazing considering the way I drive so I can't really back you up on that though $180 for going a bit quick is excessive.
It's the smoke $20 for 25 cigarettes, **** that. That's why I smoke rollies.