#1
i am just looking for ideas and what would suit me best. i know MAJ/MIN pentatonics/blues scales, and all of the minor scales. i am able to do freely improv in any key of the noted scales, as well as rythm, i know the whole board and can go in any key without even thinking about it.

i play metal and blues, 10 years. i play out a lot. i am looking for something towards blues, maybe a little country influence. Dorian? Mixolydian?

i am open to anything.

as far as influences go i pretty much play texas blues and more of a blues rock.

SRV above all (wish i had seen live)

kenny wayne sheppard (seen live)
jonnny lang (seen live)
joe bonamassa (seen live)
for more of the rock side
and all of the legends.

so maybe country blues or either or both.

i listen to mainly country and metal, not blues as much. but i play blues most ideas would be great, i am not looking for anything definitive.

i realize how the modes interact and have some music theory, but i have a hard time applying some of what i have learned to the guitar, because a lot of the contents was more band/orchestral/piano, doing a lot of progressions on piano. i also play the drums, paino, and trumpet.
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#2
You don't need to learn "more scales", you need to improve your understanding of the ones you already know.
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This +1

Listen to steven.

Also,

i have a hard time applying some of what i have learned to the guitar, because a lot of the contents was more band/orchestral/piano


Music theory is music theory. It's the same for all instruments, the only specifics are how you play the actual notes on the instrument.
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#4
althogh having re-read the OP it would appear to suggest that you're not familair with the major scale, in which case you need to spend some time learning about that.
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#5
If you're really able to improv in any key anywhere on the fretboard, and you play out a lot then if you only listen to country and metal I would say broaden your horizons some. Get some classical music under your belt, some jazz, some pop, some dance ... Music is a vast subject and there's a lifetime of exploring that far exceeds anything you can learn from just playing scales.
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#6
I don't know why people learn more than the "blues scale" and the 2 pentatonics... Those are the only ones people actually want to hear used.

Anyways, it's not using scales, it's learning how notes relate to each other and what sounds they make. You can learn all the scales you want, but then you'll just be able to grind scales.
You make music by knowing the relationships of notes and when you get an idea in your head, you know how to form it on the spot.
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I don't know why people learn more than the "blues scale" and the 2 pentatonics... Those are the only ones people actually want to hear used.


Although i hate to admit it, this is very true. Which is why i don't like to make music for normal people.
#8
Those normal people are the ones who will throw dollar bills in your case and ask you to play at their parties and pay you large sums of money.
Or you can learn all your bebop scales and learn changes inside and out and have people say "Oh, thats nice" as you perform that bird solo you meticulously transcribed and they will walk away.
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Those normal people are the ones who will throw dollar bills in your case and ask you to play at their parties and pay you large sums of money.
Or you can learn all your bebop scales and learn changes inside and out and have people say "Oh, thats nice" as you perform that bird solo you meticulously transcribed and they will walk away.


#10
Learn the Phrygian major, minor, and dominant scales. That why, if you're ever in Hungary or Andalusia, you'll have a leg up on busking there.

Besides, the minor or flat 2nd in all of them, can be made to sound, "heavy", in a metal context.
#11
Aww Mac, don't get me wrong though. I don't play music for the money. That would make me retarded. But a little tax free income is nice to have.
And the satisfaction I get from cheering other people up with my music is much greater than any satisfaction I'd get from playing some "higher form" of music to deaf ears because it shows how much I know about theory.
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#12
Suede, you're right.
Tell you the truth, i don't write really complex music. Most of my stuff is your typical 4-5 chord songs.
#13
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And the satisfaction I get from cheering other people up with my music is much greater than any satisfaction I'd get from playing some "higher form" of music to deaf ears because it shows how much I know about theory.
Ironically, the term "higher form of music" had an entirely different meaning in the 70's.

Come to think of it, so did, "better living through chemistry".

Did you know the verses of "White Rabbit" are in F# Phrygian Major?
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Learn the Phrygian major, minor, and dominant scales. That why, if you're ever in Hungary or Andalusia, you'll have a leg up on busking there.

Besides, the minor or flat 2nd in all of them, can be made to sound, "heavy", in a metal context.


thank you, that is what i was looking for something to try new.

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i am not grinding the scales i know, i play them musically mostly improv. and i am just as familiar with the major like the other ones, i guess i didn't phrase that sentence properly. i play the relationship of the notes and from every bar i play in i seem to get good results, and thats a blues bar and there are some phenomenal guitarists there, obviously they are better than i (most of them are in their 50's and 60's) and i pull out the fills and leads just like anybody else.

if i broaden my horizons it would be to country.

i have also decided that i am going to learn to read sheet music and not tab, should have done that a long time ago.
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#16
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thank you, that is what i was looking for something to try new.

Is it cuz the word sounds like, well cool? "Phrygian!" My god, that's badass!

You could just study some minor progressions.
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Is it cuz the word sounds like, well cool? "Phrygian!" My god, that's badass!

You could just study some minor progressions.
Well that, and a lock of rock uses the "Phrygian mode", (notice the quote marks). But this is something you already know. I guess you won't acquiesce to that, what with the "mode cops" lurking at every turn.

This Wiki page handily blends tonality and modality, without the bullshit argument: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andalusian_cadence

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#20
you should learn the major scale!

To get the country sound you're looking for, the answer isnt learn another scale. Just about everything you listen to is based around the major scale. You just need to work on your phrasing. It's all the same scale.
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#21
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you should learn the major scale!.
You should have read the first post. The one in which the TS explains he already knows them.

But heck, in a lot of places you could get away with the MAJOR pentatonics.

So that means, over "G, C, D", you would play, these pentatonic minor scales Em, Am, Bm.....and POOF, just like that they would become pentatonic majors.
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#22
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Self Portrait perhaps?

Haha, nice reply. I liked that, actually.
#23
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You should have read the first post. The one in which the TS explains he already knows them.

But heck, in a lot of places you could get away with the MAJOR pentatonics.

So that means, over "G, C, D", you would play, these pentatonic minor scales Em, Am, Bm.....and POOF, just like that they would become pentatonic majors.

ya, that's still the major scale though. He's asking what he should do to learn country.. the answer isnt another scale.
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ya, that's still the major scale though. He's asking what he should do to learn country.. the answer isnt another scale.
So basically he should buy a Stetson, turn on the local country radio station, and play along til he gets the hang of it.....No, really....
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So basically he should buy a Stetson, turn on the local country radio station, and play along til he gets the hang of it.....No, really....

That's what i'd suggest. Learning some country songs and paying attention to the differnet phrasing that's involved in playing country lead.
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That's what i'd suggest. Learning some country songs and paying attention to the differnet phrasing that's involved in playing country lead.
No way.... .....YES way..!!!!
#27
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You should have read the first post. The one in which the TS explains he already knows them.

But heck, in a lot of places you could get away with the MAJOR pentatonics.

So that means, over "G, C, D", you would play, these pentatonic minor scales Em, Am, Bm.....and POOF, just like that they would become pentatonic majors.


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#28
What he's saying makes sense as for whatever reason people learn minor pentatonics before major... But they're built with the same notes, just like relative major/minor scales.

What he's saying is if you play the Em Pentatonic, you'll have
E G A B D E G A B D E
And if you start the scale on the bolded note, the G, you have a G Major pentatonic, or the relative major key of Em.
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#29
Basically, he's saying that you should play shape 5 of G major, C major and D major pentatonic.
#30
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What he's saying makes sense as for whatever reason people learn minor pentatonics before major... But they're built with the same notes, just like relative major/minor scales.

What he's saying is if you play the Em Pentatonic, you'll have
E G A B D E G A B D E
And if you start the scale on the bolded note, the G, you have a G Major pentatonic, or the relative major key of Em.
Pretty much.....

At last, I've met somebody who can speak, "troll", as a second language.....

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Basically, he's saying that you should play shape 5 of G major, C major and D major pentatonic.
I offered an example in G, using that shape.

As you already well know, with any "pentatonic scale shape", involving any major key and its relative minor key tonic chord pairs, could used as illustration. The single common scale can easily be interpolated.

{C + Am}, {D + Bm}, {E + C#m}....yadda, yadda, etc.....

All you hafta do, is add the notes of the I & iv chords together, (there are 4 notes total), then add 2nd of the major scale, and you got yourself a pentatonic scale, (or 2 actually).

So is the chord you make when you add the I & vi chords together a M6 or m7.... ?

I picked that particular shape because, it is oftentimes the first one people learn.

Also, it helps illustrate where the Major & relative minor chords, "collide", or put less dramatically, "overlap". For the Am and C major, that would be a the 5th fret. (Am @ 5th, with C major at the 3rd.
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#31
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You don't need to learn "more scales", you need to improve your understanding of the ones you already know.


If you know all your major and minor scales then theoretically you already know dorian, phrygian, lydian, mixolydian, aeolian (natural minor), locrian...

not to mention all the modes of melodic and harmonic minor!!

Learning a bit of theory opens a ton of new possibilites.
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If you know all your major and minor scales then theoretically you already know dorian, phrygian, lydian, mixolydian, aeolian (natural minor), locrian...

not to mention all the modes of melodic and harmonic minor!!
The melodies of many songs don't begin or end on the key note, but they end on the tonic chord, way more often than not. And to modern ears, that places them in a key, not a mode.

(Besides, if you even breathe the"mode" around here, you either have to place a "wink" after it, be prepared to face the consequences, or be me, and invite them.. ).


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Learning a bit of theory opens a ton of new possibilites.
No, in the case of modes, learning a bit of theory opens up a can of worms. Or, put differently, "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing".

But, if you insist, here's a "little bit", more theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andalusian_cadence
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#33
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are you an elaborate troll forreal
A classic rock progression, (as well as blues) is E (1st fret), A (5th fret), & B (7th fret). In rock, more often than not, a minor pent scale is played over these major chords. Scales that we're going to call, Em , Am, & Bm, pentatonic.

The TS doesn't seem to know that he already possesses the scales necessary to become involved with country music.

So flipping those same "minor scales" to the major chord progression, and obviating the fact that the scales are the same, but relative to the harmony, and each other, is hardly trolling.

Every time I fire up some country, what I hear way more often than not, is I, IV, V, and a capo.
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(1st fret)


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Open, is that, "more better" ? With that said, the first finger of E major open does go on the first fret...

I'm surprised there was no, "film at eleven" on that.
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