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#41
Quote by cha33 armstrong
need a new better amp and i was wondering fender frontman 212r or fender mustang III but if you know any better 100w amps for under £250 feel free to name them


don't be dumb, listen to us. seriously. you obviously have very little experience and collectively and generally we seem to know a lot more than you.

if you want shit with your budget, get new.

if you want something that is going to fulfill your need for tone, buy used. thats where the mileage is.
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#42
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH

Fine. Don't listen to perfectly good advice. Get the Frontman 212R


^^
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hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
#43
Quote by cha33 armstrong
this is for gigging as i have a crappy 15w practise amp

no you have a 30 watt crappy practice amp.

and you're thinking you need a 100 watt one.

game over insert coin.

listen to these guys and consider some decent used amps.
I wondered why the frisbee was getting bigger, then it hit me.
#44
used goes for half of new generally. you walk out of the shop with something new, and two days later it wont be worth half.

not all used gear is shitty, i think just about everything i currently own i bought used, and i have used Splawns, a VHT sig:X and a Mark IV i payed half or less for all of these amps than they went for new. solid and in perfect shape. i have gibsons and prestige ibanezs.

i wouldn't have half the gear i owned if it was purchased new.

drill this through your damn head.

or as 311 said get an FM212
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youre just being a jerk man.



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#45
Quote by gregs1020
no you have a 30 watt crappy practice amp.

and you're thinking you need a 100 watt one.

game over insert coin.

listen to these guys and consider some decent used amps.

the 30w wasnt the practice amp i was on about i have some kustom 15w amp
You hit 'em and they get back up
I hit 'em and they stay down
- Frank Castle
#46
Quote by trashedlostfdup
don't be dumb, listen to us. seriously. you obviously have very little experience and collectively and generally we seem to know a lot more than you.

if you want shit with your budget, get new.

if you want something that is going to fulfill your need for tone, buy used. thats where the mileage is.

please explain to me how used is better than brand new
You hit 'em and they get back up
I hit 'em and they stay down
- Frank Castle
#47
Quote by cha33 armstrong
please explain to me how used is better than brand new

New you get a limited warranty, but the price gap you pay between new and used will generally cover any repairs needed and then some anyway, IF you ever need to get it fixed at all. It may just be a matter of preference but I can't imagine EVER paying retail for a new amp unless there was no other choice. With the money you save going used you can get an amazing amp and cab and still have change left over.

Buying new seems like the way to go when you're new for bragging rights, but trust me you'll regret it.
#48
Quote by AxSilentxLine
New you get a limited warranty, but the price gap you pay between new and used will generally cover any repairs needed and then some anyway, IF you ever need to get it fixed at all. It may just be a matter of preference but I can't imagine EVER paying retail for a new amp unless there was no other choice. With the money you save going used you can get an amazing amp and cab and still have change left over.

Buying new seems like the way to go when you're new for bragging rights, but trust me you'll regret it.

fine il start looking for 2nd hand amps
You hit 'em and they get back up
I hit 'em and they stay down
- Frank Castle
#49
Quote by cha33 armstrong
fine il start looking for 2nd hand amps

No one's forcing you, you can get whatever you want no one can stop you, but we were all in that same situation once as well and I know from personal experience you'll wish you'd waited a bit longer and considered your options. The first bit of cash I came into I ran out and bought a brand new Peavey 6505+ and matching cab and I regret it hugely. There are so many other better options that can be had used. Just don't limit yourself is all we're saying.
Last edited by AxSilentxLine at Oct 9, 2012,
#50
Quote by AxSilentxLine
No one's forcing you, you can get whatever you want no one can stop you, but we were all in that same situation once as well and I know from personal experience you'll wish you'd wait a bit longer and considered your options. The first bit of cash I came into I ran out and bought a brand new Peavey 6505+ and matching cab and I regret it hugely. There are so many other better options that can be had used. Just don't limit yourself is all we're saying.

i dont feel forced i just know the facts now and are going to act upon them
You hit 'em and they get back up
I hit 'em and they stay down
- Frank Castle
#51
Quote by cha33 armstrong
i dont feel forced i just know the facts now and are going to act upon them

Okay the best advice I can give is play as much as you can, then walk away, come back and play them again. Don't make impulse buys which to me is what it felt like you were going to do.
#52
Look at used AC15, AC30's and Peavey Classic+Valavekings.
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
#54
JCM900 is the goto punk amp really and they'll do the rest as well. They pop up cheap all the time. A JCM2000 DSL of some type would do too but they are usually pricier. Although, the little DSL401's often come up cheap at times and they are a great little punk amp. When I say little, just little compared to the others, they are still plenty loud enough.
Peavey JSX/XXX/Ultra combos also pop up cheap at times so keep your eye open for those too. Although, being in the UK one of the Marshalls is probably more likely to come in within budget but you may have to be patient.
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Last edited by Cathbard at Oct 9, 2012,
#55
Quote by AxSilentxLine
Doesn't want any of those


Good luck getting an Indie tone. IMO one of those with a pedal in front will get you fine punk. But it's OP's choice.
Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
#56
what about a used Fender FM100 Guitar Amplifier 100W Head and Cab, with Footswitch and Reverb for £190 + £25P&P
You hit 'em and they get back up
I hit 'em and they stay down
- Frank Castle
#57
Quote by cha33 armstrong
what about a used Fender FM100 Guitar Amplifier 100W Head and Cab, with Footswitch and Reverb for £190 + £25P&P

The Frontman isn't very good.
#58
No. The Fender Frontman 100 is just an oversized shitty practice amp.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#59
Man, the Frontman really won't do what you want.

I know you have a stigma about used, but it really is the best way to go, most people treat their amps with care so when you buy one used they run no better or worse than brand new.
Hell, i got my Cornell almost half price! Seems pretty damn good to me.

Don't rush in to buying an amp just cost you think 'ooh, 100W, that must mean it's better than my current amp!' Try some out, and keep an eye on Gumtree for the amps suggested.

I might have missed it, but where abouts are you based? (in the UK right? which nearest city?)
#60
go for the 100watt mg or spyder
"evil esteban"
if this thing melts again i'm takin' it to bugera headquarters, puttin' a bag of fecal matter on it, ringin' the doorbell and flippin the switch from "standby" to "on", and running.

"tubetime86"
This wasnt even a cool story... Bro.
#61
Quote by Maximus_2005
go for the 100watt mg or spyder


Quote by greeny23
i shake the walls of my bedroom. with mah dick.
Quote by Eppicurt
Quote by NakedInTheRain
hey, be nice to the hipster.
I hear they use false bypass switches.

It's, like, so ironic.
#62
I've owned a Fender Frontman 212DSP.

Yeah, I started off as noob too and thought I could make my own decisions without listening to others. What a mistake.

Then I bought a Valveking new. That was the last amp I bought as new. Great amp really for what you are looking for but it needs a different speaker than stock.

A used Valveking or Classic 30 really are good suggestions.

Where are you located again?


Edit:
Nvmd - South Hampton. Doesn't matter - still good rec's
Last edited by 311ZOSOVHJH at Oct 9, 2012,
#63
Guys, if he wants to buy new then let him. Somebody has to knock off that initial 40% for us so we can scoop up the real deals.


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Unless its electronic drums.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!
#64
The only new amps I've ever owned I built myself.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#66
Hey what now? That was a comment about buying used amps, not building them.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#67
My first amp was about the same price as every other amp I've owned since... And it was a Marshall MG.

I could have had a used Blues Junior for the same price.
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Quote by Raijouta
Unless its electronic drums.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!
#68
I bought my JCM900 used for way less than a new MG would have cost. New amps are for rich people with money to burn.
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#69
Quote by cha33 armstrong
fine il start looking for 2nd hand amps


just in case you guys didn't see, he decided to go used.

the war is over: we won.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
Last edited by gumbilicious at Oct 9, 2012,
#70
Gibson Les Paul Studio
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Ampeg V2
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#72
Quote by gumbilicious
just in case you guys didn't see, he decided to go used.

the war is over: we won.


We lost some good men. Only time will tell if their sacrifice was in vain, or not.
I don't give a shit if you listen to me or not
Last edited by Kevin Saale at Oct 9, 2012,
#73
Quote by Kevin Saale
We lost some good men. Only time will tell if their sacrifice was in vain, or not.


cath is only in bed, he'll be up in a bit.

edit: fixed
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
Last edited by gumbilicious at Oct 10, 2012,
#74
Quote by gumbilicious
cath is only in bed, he'll be up in a bit.


OMG, fix that horrible typo in the quote please
I don't give a shit if you listen to me or not
#75
Quote by cha33 armstrong
please explain to me how used is better than brand new


milage for your dollar. look up a fender standard mexican strat. they sell for ~$500. go on craigslist and search for a mexican strat or MIM strat (made in mexico) and you will see that the cost less than $300, and many are just like they are new, or have a small scratch or slight blemish. i bought one for $200 in good shape.

look up a Fryette SIG:X http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/fryette-sigx-g100sx-100w-tube-guitar-amp-head

i bought mine for $1100, freshly tubed and flawless, not a scuff, not a scratch, hell even has better tubes in it now than new.

that is why buying used gear is better than new gear. i think you get the point.
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alright "king of the guitar forum"


Quote by trashedlostfdup
nope i am "GOD of the guitar forum" i think that fits me better.


Quote by andersondb7
youre just being a jerk man.



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Last edited by trashedlostfdup at Oct 10, 2012,
#76
Quote by trashedlostfdup
that is why buying used gear is better than used gear. i think you get the point.



we just won him over, let's not confuse him.

and i will say something about buying new gear: i own two amps that i bought new:

- 2008 Orange OR50H 40th Anniversary
- 2012 CEC Brigand (will be here soon )

i fully accepted that i was going to pay quite a bit for both of these amps, i weighed my options and desires and just accepted the fact that i was going to be hard pressed to find these amps used. the CEC is made by one dude and there is less than a dozen out there, and OR50H was a limited run (or so i thought at the time, they re-released it).

sometimes buying new is about the only option you have. that being said, i have about 10 used amps that are way better than the price i paid would indicate. if you are on a budget then it is generally your best bet to get something nice. and man, it is a buyers market for used gear right now.
punk isn't dead, it's always smelled that way.

"A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem."
-ae
#77
I just realised that the combined price that I paid for my JCM900 combo and Abbey head is about half of what a Marshall MA head costs new. Both of them will kick an MA's arse to hell and back without raising a sweat - especially the Abbey.
Is used better than new? Well two superior amps for half the price of a piece of junk, what do you think?
Gilchrist custom
Yamaha SBG500
Telecasters
Randall RM100 & RM20
Marshall JTM45 clone
Marshall JCM900 4102 (modded)
Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
Atomic Amplifire
Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


Cathbard Amplification
My band
#78
There are times when buying new makes sense.

1.) You absolutely have to have the security of a manufacturers' warranty.
2.) You are buying a rare boutique or special order like Gumbi is saying (in which case you probably have the money anyway and it doesn't matter)
#79
Well, I had to buy my RA new, there was NONE on the used market when that happened. I couldn't wait!

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#80
Quote by Perverockstar69
Well, I had to buy my RA new, there was NONE on the used market when that happened. I couldn't wait!


Another valid reason.

Another example, I want an Alex Wade AW-7 sig 7 string, somebody wanna find me one used to I canz save the monies? Good luck