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Barricade_28
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Looking for a guitar amp (preferably combo I could haul around, but stack might be ok) under $800 but no more than $1000, and it has to have a lot of bass. Enough to make a medium-sized room rattle a little bit. I play Metallica/trash, and I just LOVE playing those Hetfield-esque palm-muting riffs where I can ride the low E & chug it with a ton of bass and gain like a freight-train is coming through! Also have a pitch-shifter on my pedal that makes my electric sound like a bass guitar, which is fun to jam with so it would be nice to have decent bass to fool with that (I don't own a bass guitar/amp).

Tried amps like Peavey Vypyr Tube, Fender Mustang III, Peavey Valveking 112, and they just don't have enough bass. People hate the Spider IV but the 150w had more than enough bass for me. Also rented a Traynor Custom Special 50 & it had a good amount of bass but is expensive and isn't geared toward metal. Thought of a 6505+ 112 but I heard the cleans aren't the best.

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Been playing guitar for 6 yrs. Mostly been just fooling around by myself at home, but I'm starting to jam with more guitarists/drummers so I need to upgrade my wimpy 15-watt amp. I play on an Ibanez RG120 electric. The only pedal I have is a Digitech RP250 multi-effects pedal (distortion modeling is weak on it). Live in Ottawa, Canada.

I play a lot of hard rock & metal, a lot of Metallica, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, some AC/DC, John Frusciante etc. I also play clean stuff too, w/ some reverb & delay slapped on, more mellow, like Explosions in the Sky, U2, indie stuff.
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You might be able to snag an Egnater Tweaker 88 and a 2x12 either used or on sale for that price. I think it's a great compromise between metal amps with a crap clean channel and vintage style amps without enough drive/flexibility.
Actually, the 40 watt tweaker might be worth a look too, but the 88 really has a lot of junk in the trunk.
A JSX might work for you, too. Better cleans than the 6505.

Whatever you get should probably include a 2x12 or larger with a closed back and some decent modern speakers. No point in putting out all that bass if the cab can't keep up. Actually, that might turn out to have been the key all along. The Vypyr certainly has quite a lot of bass available.
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Quote by Roc8995
Whatever you get should probably include a 2x12 or larger with a closed back and some decent modern speakers. No point in putting out all that bass if the cab can't keep up. Actually, that might turn out to have been the key all along.



big +1

my JTM45 has a ton of bass... but that probably isn't for you.
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if you play a lot of metallica type stuff, the tweaker series is not for you.

in general, i would say wattage matters less than cab. you want your room to shake, get no less than a 2x12.

seeing as you want the metal chugga chuga, your probably gonig to want a semi higher wattage higher gain amp, or atleast an amp voiced for that type of music that is designed not to be anemic in the low end....like the dark terrors or something
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Quote by ikey_
if you play a lot of metallica type stuff, the tweaker series is not for you.

in general, i would say wattage matters less than cab. you want your room to shake, get no less than a 2x12.

seeing as you want the metal chugga chuga, your probably gonig to want a semi higher wattage higher gain amp, or atleast an amp voiced for that type of music that is designed not to be anemic in the low end....like the dark terrors or something

I've played a Tweaker 88 through the matching 2x12 and those twin KT88's have some serious thump. IMO it could easily do modern metal and down
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I have a JSX and it sounds badass for Thrash Metal. I keep the Bass around 4/10 and it's sounds very tight with Palm mutes. Also my friend has a Randall V2 and to be honest one the best amps I've heard with that low end you might be wanting.
Here is a link of my band playing Lucretia by Megadeth
I'm the one on the right with the Peavey JSX and my friend is on the left with The Randall V2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLYaQPRXZr4&list=UULPL8N2ul3CwtTKJSoQy1kg&index=5&feature=plcp
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well the 88s will give you more bass.

that amp head is so darn big chances are you arent playing it through much less than a 2x12 A for wattage B for just size....i mean that thing has to sit on something.

i believe the 88 has more gain with the build in boosts.

i am really mad tweaker didnt give dual onboard boosts with the 40. man. really? cause WTF am i going to do with 88 watts in my bedroom?
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Quote by megaluisdeth
I have a JSX and it sounds badass for Thrash Metal. I keep the Bass around 4/10 and it's sounds very tight with Palm mutes. Also my friend has a Randall V2 and to be honest one the best amps I've heard with that low end you might be wanting.
Here is a link of my band playing Lucretia by Megadeth
I'm the one on the right with the Peavey JSX and my friend is on the left with The Randall V2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLYaQPRXZr4&list=UULPL8N2ul3CwtTKJSoQy1kg&index=5&feature=plcp


This is the only good post in this thread ! LOL... JSX's rock !!
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I'm gonna break the trend and say Carvin V3 or X100B. I had a XXX and while the bass response was good the highs were always brittle to my ears. I don't know if the JSX is any better.
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XXXs are known for their icepickyness and the rave reviews you hear of them are often modified.

The JSX is a million times better. after playing one for nearly two hours Saturday it's one of my favorite amps. The cleans are quite decent as well.

the V3 goes for cheap, so if you wanna go under budget definitely check those out. so do JSX heads of course.
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I've played a Tweaker 88 through the matching 2x12 and those twin KT88's have some serious thump. IMO it could easily do modern metal and down

This. KT88s can have some serious low end.
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i am really mad tweaker didnt give dual onboard boosts with the 40. man. really? cause WTF am i going to do with 88 watts in my bedroom?

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The JSX is a lot better. There's a reason they are two different amps.
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Quote by AxSilentxLine
I've played a Tweaker 88 through the matching 2x12 and those twin KT88's have some serious thump. IMO it could easily do modern metal and down


I agree. Bruce actually gets kinda annoyed when people claim his amps can't do Metal (not counting the Vengeance and Armageddon, of course) because usually if they cant' on their own, adding a boost is all you need. I mean, the JCM800 was THE Metal amp of the 80's and even some of the 90's, and every Metal player boosted that amp.

I agree that the Tweaker 88 is a great choice.

I would like to add the Egnater Vengeance to the list of great choices. I have my bass at about 1:00 and my Density is at 10:00 (the presence and Density controls give +/- 12db, so I'm actually CUTTING the Density) and I have PLENTY of bass in my tone. Granted, I'm mixed for a band, so I have to be careful with adding too much bass to my sound, but this thing has PLENTY of bass. You could shake your neighbors' windows with this thing.

More importantly, I recommend you get a cab with speakers built for bass. Anything would sound like a bass machine with a 4x12 loaded with Eminence Swamp Thangs (not something I recommend). I would say if you can get a cab loaded with Celestion G12K-100's, maybe those mixed with something else. Avatar cabs are a good way to go with this sort of thing. A 2x12 loaded with a Celestion G12K-100 and Celestion Vintage 30 would be a good option for you. Plenty of bass and clarity. It's a great combo for metal. V30's are the standard, go-to Metal speaker and K-100's are used by Slayer's Kerry King, not to mention many others. You don't want to get something TOO bassy, because if you join a band or jam with a bassist, you have to dial out a good amount of bass to make room for him in the mix.

EDIT: I should also add that the Vengeance will do everything from Pristine Cleans to the heaviest of modern metal, no boost needed (although you may want one depending on personal taste...some people like the way a tube amp reacts to a boost. A lot of people boost 6505's to tighten them up)
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I agree. Bruce actually gets kinda annoyed when people claim his amps can't do Metal (not counting the Vengeance and Armageddon, of course) because usually if they cant' on their own, adding a boost is all you need. I mean, the JCM800 was THE Metal amp of the 80's and even some of the 90's, and every Metal player boosted that amp.

Yeah I don't like to call people out, but if you can't do metal on a Tweaker 88 you're either doin it rong, or are trying to use wayyy too much gain. My view of "metal" may be different than others though. I like a dark smooth almost muddy saturated distortion. It takes a good quality amp to play and still sound good.
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The Mesa Single Rectifier sounds very thick for a 50 watter. Just as big sounding as some 100 watters. Lot's of gain and lot's of bass.
Use an OD pedal if you want to make it uber tight and responsive.
At between $650 & $850 they are a steal on the used market for the quality in tone they offer.
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Yeah I don't like to call people out, but if you can't do metal on a Tweaker 88 you're either doin it rong, or are trying to use wayyy too much gain. My view of "metal" may be different than others though. I like a dark smooth almost muddy saturated distortion. It takes a good quality amp to play and still sound good.


There are many, many flavors of Metal that use a huge array of high-gain tones, so an amp may not do the style of Metal you want, but it'll probably do Metal. In his case, the Tweaker could nail the Thrash tones he's seeking. Now, if he gets into other Metal genres, the Vengeance may be a better choice, but the Tweakers are versatile enough that they should have no issue doing most brands of Metal. I personally haven't sat down with one and tried to nail every Metal tone I could think of, but with the settings available it should have no issues.
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meh. i would still maintain the 88 is better for heavier stuff than my 40. i do boost it as well and though it can push a decent amount of gain, i would classify the amp to cut off in teh hard rock territory.

can it do metal, sure. if i was playing live a lot for heavier stuff, i would probably get another amp.

i really want a baron snot watt for heavy stuff and run my setup stereo with the tweaker.


the tweaker 40 would be a better metal amp if it had A more preamp gain stages, B independant EQs per channel, and C the onboard boosts would be nice. thats ok i have one on my board.


like i said, i would say my tweaker is just about as good of a versatile rock based amp as you can get for anything less than 1000ish. very happy. think your setting yourself up for disappointment doing numeral, death metal, etc etc on a tweaker.

never played the 88 though
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Odd, I never associated Thrash guitar with bass, more like with scooped lower midrange and sharp upper midrange bite. Down tuned death metal on the other hand...

Anyway, my Randall is bassy to a fault. Hell, I have to keep the bass knob on 3-4 to make sure it doesnt interfere with midrange, keep things clear. Now it has only one 12" Speaker and it can do only so much, but if its bigbrother RG100 with its 2x12" speakers is voiced anything like my RG75, or better yet connected to external cab, I guess it should have enough bass to take your walls down.

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#24
Quote by ikey_
well the 88s will give you more bass.

that amp head is so darn big chances are you arent playing it through much less than a 2x12 A for wattage B for just size....i mean that thing has to sit on something.

i believe the 88 has more gain with the build in boosts.

i am really mad tweaker didnt give dual onboard boosts with the 40. man. really? cause WTF am i going to do with 88 watts in my bedroom?


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Thanks for the suggestions, I really like the JSX head (the combo is too expensive) and its clone the XXX II.

Are there any other combos that have similar versatility between good cleans & lots of gain and bass? I'd really like an amp I could somewhat easily throw in my trunk and bring to jams instead of a stack.
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FWIW, while the JSX is a great amp and I just wanted to reinforce that, it is not a notably bassy amp. The biggest issue I have with my tone right now is lack of good bass. It gets kind of flubby.
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FWIW, while the JSX is a great amp and I just wanted to reinforce that, it is not a notably bassy amp. The biggest issue I have with my tone right now is lack of good bass. It gets kind of flubby.

Agreed. I sold my XXX for this reason although I hear the JSX is better. In terms of bang for buck versatile amps I always come back to the Carvin V3. Should have much bigger and focused bass than the JSX, it gets described as rectoish commonly.
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Odd, I never associated Thrash guitar with bass, more like with scooped lower midrange and sharp upper midrange bite. Down tuned death metal on the other hand...

Anyway, my Randall is bassy to a fault. Hell, I have to keep the bass knob on 3-4 to make sure it doesnt interfere with midrange, keep things clear. Now it has only one 12" Speaker and it can do only so much, but if its bigbrother RG100 with its 2x12" speakers is voiced anything like my RG75, or better yet connected to external cab, I guess it should have enough bass to take your walls down.


I can only second that. My band mates RG75 combo sounds damn awesome and has a low end you would not consider possible from a hybrid combo with 1x12 cab. In my ears, the Randall's distortion definitely does not have to hide behind too much all-tube amps. It's the best distortion I've ever heard from a solid-state. My advice: Absolutely try the Randall RG75/100, it's awesome and affordable.
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Odd, I never associated Thrash guitar with bass, more like with scooped lower midrange and sharp upper midrange bite. Down tuned death metal on the other hand...


Well, I'm looking for that "punch" on my palm-mute low-e chugs, do you know what I mean? High gain and scooped mids get some of the tone right, and might sound good on a recording, but when playing live or just practicing by myself or with a drummer I need that bassy punch that gives that thundering feel of power lol.

Some have said I just need a bassist lol, that the bass player is supposed to give that bassy punch to Metallica-like tunes, which might be true, but I want an amp to recreate that sound when practicing by myself or with a drummer.
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Well, I'm looking for that "punch" on my palm-mute low-e chugs, do you know what I mean? High gain and scooped mids get some of the tone right, and might sound good on a recording, but when playing live or just practicing by myself or with a drummer I need that bassy punch that gives that thundering feel of power lol.

Some have said I just need a bassist lol, that the bass player is supposed to give that bassy punch to Metallica-like tunes, which might be true, but I want an amp to recreate that sound when practicing by myself or with a drummer.

that bassy punch is most likely less bass than you would think, most of the 'attack' is actually in a much higher frequency range.

Covering about one octave [2kHz to 4kHz], this range of frequencies is responsible for the attack on percussive and rhythm instruments and the "projection" of mid range instruments. Equalization can be applied at any frequency in this range but still somewhat centers around 3 kHz.
On the foot drum, boosting 2.5 kHz or 4 kHz increases the attack. 2.5 kHz sounds more like a felt beater and 4 kHz sounds more like a hard-wood beater. These frequencies can also be used to increase the attack or "hit" sound on toms and snare drums.
Guitar lines often get more attack and distinction with equalization added at this range. A small boost (1-3 dB) for the vocal will increase projection. Adding too much energy, in this range, makes it hard to distinguish the syllables of the vocal and can cause listening fatigue. This range of frequencies is often reduced on background vocal to give them a more "airy" and "transparent" sound.


too much low end just tends to muddy up your tone.
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More bass wanted? May I suggest considering a speaker change before an amp swap?

A good 1x15 cabinet and a JBL G-135 will for sure rattle your windows. With a 50-6000 hz frequency range, 104 db sensitivity, and 200 watt capability, it'll do whatever you want and rattle the windows next door, too. I have one and it's a freaking monster for palm chugging. It's unreal. The mids and highs are beautiful, by the way, but that bass response is just simply stunning.

I have an Alesis drum machine and an old 150 watt 6 channel Traynor mixer/amp. I play them through mine at home when I'm practicing. If you want bass, I swear that you could easily thump out a whole dance club with that one speaker.

No matter what amp you use, I feel pretty confident in saying that they'll pump out more strong, clear bass than whatever other speakers you're currently using by a large margin. I've had people over who've plugged their amps into that G-135 and every single one of them has been blown away by the additonal bass. It didn't matter what gear they had, good or bad, costly or dirt cheap, the bass came out way more than with their own speakers. Even the high school kid next door wants to know how too put one into his vehicle so he can bounce down the road.

Jammin' Jersey's has some good ones for $150.00 per.

PS JBL even has even published the ideal dimensions of the cab to wring the most out of the lower registers (6 cubic feet interior volume with a 5" diameter, 2" long port.)
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If you want huge bass check out the Krank Krankenstein "+". Huge bass and high gain. You fell the palm muting in your stomach.
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Quote by woad_yurt
More bass wanted? May I suggest considering a speaker change before an amp swap?

A good 1x15 cabinet and a JBL G-135 will for sure rattle your windows. With a 50-6000 hz frequency range, 104 db sensitivity, and 200 watt capability, it'll do whatever you want and rattle the windows next door, too. I have one and it's a freaking monster for palm chugging. It's unreal. The mids and highs are beautiful, by the way, but that bass response is just simply stunning.

I have an Alesis drum machine and an old 150 watt 6 channel Traynor mixer/amp. I play them through mine at home when I'm practicing. If you want bass, I swear that you could easily thump out a whole dance club with that one speaker.

No matter what amp you use, I feel pretty confident in saying that they'll pump out more strong, clear bass than whatever other speakers you're currently using by a large margin. I've had people over who've plugged their amps into that G-135 and every single one of them has been blown away by the additonal bass. It didn't matter what gear they had, good or bad, costly or dirt cheap, the bass came out way more than with their own speakers. Even the high school kid next door wants to know how too put one into his vehicle so he can bounce down the road.

Jammin' Jersey's has some good ones for $150.00 per.

PS JBL even has even published the ideal dimensions of the cab to wring the most out of the lower registers (6 cubic feet interior volume with a 5" diameter, 2" long port.)


From what I hear, 15" speakers tend to lose clarity and definition as compared to a 12". It would make sense if they have all of that extra bass, considering, like Gumbi said, bass has a tendency to muddy up your tone.
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It depends on what speakers are being compared. The 15" JBL I have is crisper and clearer than th Eminence 12" that was original to my Champ 25 SE and the two 1982-made Eminence 12s I've had for a while.

It's not a bass speaker but full range. Actually, the frequency response for that 15 goes 1000 hz higher than most 12" guitar speakers, which seem to top out at 5000 or so. There's no mud with this one unless it's the amp that's providing it.
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I'm no expert here, but I'm going to say that Frequency Response Rage =/= Clarity

In fact, if it's able to produce response of frequencies that your amp can't even produce, then that's useless. If it can produce frequencies that are beyond what human ears can percieve, it's more likely to add muddiness, from what I understand, and if it's able to produce frequencies that aren't normally included with guitar speakers, it might create unecessary noise.

Just some thoughts. I'm not trying to discredit your suggestion, it's certainly a good one, just adding more thoughts to go with it.
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JBL ceramics are famous for their clarity. Some people even avoid them because of that; they want "dark" speakers that break up. For low stuff, though, speaker breakup sounds like mud.

Low E on a 4 string bass is approx. 42 hz; this speaker starts at 50 hz. An EVM 12L goes up to 7000 hz and some Altecs (417Hs?) went to 8000 whereas this one tops out at 6000. It doesn't do anything other speakers don't and it does not add mud, no way, no how. It clears it up because it can handle the low stuff.

There's a reason they cost like $300+ back in the mid-eighties, when they were new. They were at the very top of the line.
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Quote by Blktiger0
I agree. Bruce actually gets kinda annoyed when people claim his amps can't do Metal (not counting the Vengeance and Armageddon, of course) because usually if they cant' on their own, adding a boost is all you need. I mean, the JCM800 was THE Metal amp of the 80's and even some of the 90's, and every Metal player boosted that amp.

I agree that the Tweaker 88 is a great choice.

I would like to add the Egnater Vengeance to the list of great choices. I have my bass at about 1:00 and my Density is at 10:00 (the presence and Density controls give +/- 12db, so I'm actually CUTTING the Density) and I have PLENTY of bass in my tone. Granted, I'm mixed for a band, so I have to be careful with adding too much bass to my sound, but this thing has PLENTY of bass. You could shake your neighbors' windows with this thing.

More importantly, I recommend you get a cab with speakers built for bass. Anything would sound like a bass machine with a 4x12 loaded with Eminence Swamp Thangs (not something I recommend). I would say if you can get a cab loaded with Celestion G12K-100's, maybe those mixed with something else. Avatar cabs are a good way to go with this sort of thing. A 2x12 loaded with a Celestion G12K-100 and Celestion Vintage 30 would be a good option for you. Plenty of bass and clarity. It's a great combo for metal. V30's are the standard, go-to Metal speaker and K-100's are used by Slayer's Kerry King, not to mention many others. You don't want to get something TOO bassy, because if you join a band or jam with a bassist, you have to dial out a good amount of bass to make room for him in the mix.

EDIT: I should also add that the Vengeance will do everything from Pristine Cleans to the heaviest of modern metal, no boost needed (although you may want one depending on personal taste...some people like the way a tube amp reacts to a boost. A lot of people boost 6505's to tighten them up)

I agree! Egnaters are pretty damn good. I have the Renegade and can get somewhere in the older metal territory with just a guitar that has humbuckers. I find them to sit perfectly in between the older vintage amps and the modern BR00TZ amps.
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Quote by woad_yurt
JBL ceramics are famous for their clarity. Some people even avoid them because of that; they want "dark" speakers that break up. For low stuff, though, speaker breakup sounds like mud.

Low E on a 4 string bass is approx. 42 hz; this speaker starts at 50 hz. An EVM 12L goes up to 7000 hz and some Altecs (417Hs?) went to 8000 whereas this one tops out at 6000. It doesn't do anything other speakers don't and it does not add mud, no way, no how. It clears it up because it can handle the low stuff.

There's a reason they cost like $300+ back in the mid-eighties, when they were new. They were at the very top of the line.


That's pretty impressive, then. Do they make bass speakers? I'm pretty sure our bassist could use a speaker swap for something like you're describing, and his combo is a 1x15