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BjarnedeGraaf
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#81
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Abusing children through violence does not work.


A chair is not a good place for a time out though, too casual. I would put them in a hallway or on a step on the stairs. Nothing is keeping them there but obligation. Every time they move, you put them back and restart the timer. So it'll take longer than the time you were meant to give them, but they will get fed up before you do and just serve out the punishment. Then next time or the time after that they'll remember how painful and drawn out moving away from time out is and they'll just do it first time around.


How is it "abusing" if you give them back exactly what they gave you?

Edit: also TS is not her guardian/parent so you don't really have the power to give her a time-out. Simply because you're a family member and older.
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Mistress_Ibanez
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#82
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
How is it "abusing" if you give them back exactly what they gave you?



Because they are a child and you are an adult. You can't pick on someone who is physically and mentally weaker than you when they don't have the theory of mind to understand the consequence of their actions.
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#83
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#84
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
A time-out... seriously? what's keeping her on the seat? especially since TS' little brat is already spoiled, saying shit like "here, sit on this chair for 10 minutes" is NEVER going to work.

I'd give her back what she gave me? she's rude? I'll be rude. She hits me? I'll slap the bitch as "hard" as she hit me. kid or not.
I don't believe in a soft "talking"approach when a good old spanking works just as good.
I won't strike first ofcourse. but I'll give her back her own behavior, and then ask her how she felt about me doing that. after she says what she felt (probably that she didn't like that) I'd tell her I didn't like her doing that shit to me etiher, so I returned the favor so she could experience how I felt about it.
Do that enough times for it to sink in, and it's all good in the end.

Actually it works extremely well. I don't think you've ever watched a child before.
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BjarnedeGraaf
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#85
Quote by WCPhils
Actually it works extremely well. I don't think you've ever watched a child before.


actually I've seen lots of kids where a time out just didnt do shit.

I for one will never be walked all over by a child.
I'd raise my kids the way my parents raised me. I turned out to be a respectful young man, so my parents must have done something right, and they never used time outs on me.
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#86
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf

I for one will never be walked all over by a child.


Sounds mature.

Reminds me of the episode in Seinfeld when Kramer refuse to apologise to a monkey after they've had a "fight" with the argument 'he started it'.
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crazysam23_Atax
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#87
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
actually I've seen lots of kids where a time out just didnt do shit.

That's nice. Your personal experiences don't mean it never works.

I for one will never be walked all over by a child.
I'd raise my kids the way my parents raised me. I turned out to be a respectful young man, so my parents must have done something right, and they never used time outs on me.

Bully for you! I'm sure they punished you somehow at times though. At the least, they taught you to be respectful, huh?
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#88
Quote by Mistress_Ibanez
Abusing children through violence does not work.



Physical discipline worked for my brother and I

I don't agree with child abuse, but sometimes (like 1 time in particular in my case) physical discipline is required to set the boundaries. This is something however I won't be subjecting my future child to
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#89
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
That's nice. Your personal experiences don't mean it never works.


Bully for you! I'm sure they punished you somehow at times though. At the least, they taught you to be respectful, huh?


They punished me by using "violence". it never hurt, but it got the messege across.
They never took things away or use "time-outs"
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#91
Quote by beau05
Physical discipline worked for my brother and I

I don't agree with child abuse, but sometimes (like 1 time in particular in my case) physical discipline is required to set the boundaries. This is something however I won't be subjecting my future child to

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#92
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I was already playing with her at the time She constantly wants to play.


The rude comments are the kinds of things you'd expect from a toddler who still lacks social cues. Like pointing out a pregnant woman in public and saying "LOOK AT THAT FAT LADY LOL". (Yes, she did that) To me she'll just say my clothes are ugly or something like that. That I can let slide, but the bossiness makes me want to chuck her down the stairs. She orders me to do things with her, mostly. She argued with me for about 20 minutes about playing video games when I couldn't. I said maybe in 15 minutes, and she kept trying to bargain with me for a shorter wait time. So I said I wouldn't play with her at all and she still wouldn't shut the hell up. She doesn't take no for an answer.


Oh well then in that case just fist her.


Should shut her up for a few hours
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#94
Quote by Mistress_Ibanez
Abusing children through violence does not work.


A chair is not a good place for a time out though, too casual. I would put them in a hallway or on a step on the stairs. Nothing is keeping them there but obligation. Every time they move, you put them back and restart the timer. So it'll take longer than the time you were meant to give them, but they will get fed up before you do and just serve out the punishment. Then next time or the time after that they'll remember how painful and drawn out moving away from time out is and they'll just do it first time around.


Until they start kicking, screaming, balling theirs eyes out, throwing shit (not in the literal sense) and walk away from their time out zone. Then what?

I've been friends with a kid who had a problematic sister, she never responded to this kind of treatment.
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#96
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
They punished me by using "violence". it never hurt, but it got the messege across.
They never took things away or use "time-outs"

Spanking =/= violence. Nor does an open-hand across the ears or mouth. Violence implies the intent to hurt. Minor corporal punishment =/= violence.

Quote by brownshirt1
Until they start kicking, screaming, balling theirs eyes out, throwing shit (not in the literal sense) and walk away from their time out zone. Then what?

I've been friends with a kid who had a problematic sister, she never responded to this kind of treatment.

If they start doing that, then you ignore them. You keep saying, "I'm adding more time periodically". But you ignore them until they get that their fit isn't moving you at all. The more you ignore a child throwing a fit, the more that child realizes that throwing a fit is not effective.
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Mistress_Ibanez
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#97
Quote by brownshirt1
Until they start kicking, screaming, balling theirs eyes out, throwing shit (not in the literal sense) and walk away from their time out zone. Then what?

I've been friends with a kid who had a problematic sister, she never responded to this kind of treatment.


The time out zone is meant to be somewhere "safe" so nowhere with things they can throw or break. An entrance hall or the stairs is a good place for this, nowhere on the sofa or in the living room or anything.


Let them scream and cry. They are being punished, it isn't supposed to be pleasant. It's supposed to be a learning experience, and if it makes them scream and cry they won't want to be made to feel like that again. Each time they move, you put them back. As an adult with patience and intelligence you know that the child is going to back down before you are.
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#98
Quote by brownshirt1
Until they start kicking, screaming, balling theirs eyes out, throwing shit (not in the literal sense) and walk away from their time out zone. Then what?

I've been friends with a kid who had a problematic sister, she never responded to this kind of treatment.


You're concerned that the child your punishing is screaming and crying?
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#99
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Spanking =/= violence. Nor does an open-hand across the ears or mouth. Violence implies the intent to hurt. Minor corporal punishment =/= violence.


If they start doing that, then you ignore them. You keep saying, "I'm adding more time periodically". But you ignore them until they get that their fit isn't moving you at all. The more you ignore a child throwing a fit, the more that child realizes that throwing a fit is not effective.


U contradict yourself when you quote what I said and then say it's violence.

you say: "the intent to hurt =/= Violence"
I say: "it never hurt, but it got the message across."
they never intended it to hurt, they inteded to make sure i'd never do it again.
You never hit a child just because you want it to hurt (unless your the stereotype deadbeat alcoholic (step)father)
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BjarnedeGraaf
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#100
Quote by Mistress_Ibanez
The time out zone is meant to be somewhere "safe" so nowhere with things they can throw or break. An entrance hall or the stairs is a good place for this, nowhere on the sofa or in the living room or anything.


Let them scream and cry. They are being punished, it isn't supposed to be pleasant. It's supposed to be a learning experience, and if it makes them scream and cry they won't want to be made to feel like that again. Each time they move, you put them back. As an adult with patience and intelligence you know that the child is going to back down before you are.


most people have things in every room, even a hallway (coats, paintings, umbrella's)
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Mistress_Ibanez
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#101
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf
most people have things in every room, even a hallway (coats, paintings, umbrella's)


Hm. Well with an older child (11-16) I would expect them to pay for/earn off any damaged items during a tantrum but for a smaller child, just make a space for time out and remove all the items around there until they are behaved enough to be in a time out with items around them. Get them in the utility room and take all the things you can out of there or something.

It'd be hard the first time but honestly they would only fuck shit up once before they realise that the punishment for damaging things is worse than the fun of doing it.
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#102
Quote by BjarnedeGraaf

you say: "the intent to hurt =/= Violence"

Actually, I was implying that, if their intent was hurt you (as in, give you bruises or marks or otherwise cause you harm), then that would be violent. I was assuming that their intent was to NOT hurt you.
I say: "it never hurt, but it got the message across."

I sort of assumed this.
they never intended it to hurt, they intended to make sure i'd never do it again.

As it should be.
You never hit a child just because you want it to hurt (unless your the stereotype deadbeat alcoholic (step)father)
I agree. I was actually saying that. Albeit, I apparently didn't convey my meaning very well.

My parents spanked me as a young child. It was very effective as making sure I became a well-behaved, good-mannered adult.

My only issue was, I don't consider it violence to use corporal punishment. Violence implies that your intent to cause physical harm. Spanking and such does not cause physical harm.

inb4 all the idiots who bring up rather inconclusive studies about how spanking is abuse, yadayadayada
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#103
I wish I had the authority to give her timeout or stuff a rag in her mouth, but she's not my kid. I've resorted to trolling her. Results have been mixed so far. I told her she couldn't bug me because I was allergic to her. Started sneezing and everything. That didn't work. Then I tried the stop hitting yourself routine and that didn't work. Then I told her I heard the ice cream man and now she's down the street looking for him. Lol, we don't even have an ice cream man here.
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#104
Quote by fail
I wish I had the authority to give her timeout or stuff a rag in her mouth, but she's not my kid. I've resorted to trolling her. Results have been mixed so far. I told her she couldn't bug me because I was allergic to her. Started sneezing and everything. That didn't work. Then I tried the stop hitting yourself routine and that didn't work. Then I told her I heard the ice cream man and now she's down the street looking for him. Lol, we don't even have an ice cream man here.

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#105
You're watching her but aren't allowed to give her a timeout?
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she was saying things like... do you want to netflix and chill but just the chill part...too bad she'll never know that I only like the Netflix part...
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#106
I'm not watching her. She and her mom are over visiting.
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#107
Quote by fail
I wish I had the authority to give her timeout or stuff a rag in her mouth, but she's not my kid. I've resorted to trolling her. Results have been mixed so far. I told her she couldn't bug me because I was allergic to her. Started sneezing and everything. That didn't work. Then I tried the stop hitting yourself routine and that didn't work. Then I told her I heard the ice cream man and now she's down the street looking for him. Lol, we don't even have an ice cream man here.

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#108
Quote by fail
I wish I had the authority to give her timeout or stuff a rag in her mouth, but she's not my kid. I've resorted to trolling her. Results have been mixed so far. I told her she couldn't bug me because I was allergic to her. Started sneezing and everything. That didn't work. Then I tried the stop hitting yourself routine and that didn't work. Then I told her I heard the ice cream man and now she's down the street looking for him. Lol, we don't even have an ice cream man here.



Yeah...


Well if she was over 18, I'd say go for it I guess.

But I doubt that's the present case.
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#109
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#110
Quote by fail
I'm not watching her. She and her mom are over visiting.

Oh, nevermind then
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BjarnedeGraaf
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#111
Quote by crazysam23_Atax
Actually, I was implying that, if their intent was hurt you (as in, give you bruises or marks or otherwise cause you harm), then that would be violent. I was assuming that their intent was to NOT hurt you.

I sort of assumed this.

As it should be.
I agree. I was actually saying that. Albeit, I apparently didn't convey my meaning very well.

My parents spanked me as a young child. It was very effective as making sure I became a well-behaved, good-mannered adult.

My only issue was, I don't consider it violence to use corporal punishment. Violence implies that your intent to cause physical harm. Spanking and such does not cause physical harm.

inb4 all the idiots who bring up rather inconclusive studies about how spanking is abuse, yadayadayada


I guess we are on the same page then
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BjarnedeGraaf
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#112
Quote by fail
I wish I had the authority to give her timeout or stuff a rag in her mouth, but she's not my kid. I've resorted to trolling her. Results have been mixed so far. I told her she couldn't bug me because I was allergic to her. Started sneezing and everything. That didn't work. Then I tried the stop hitting yourself routine and that didn't work. Then I told her I heard the ice cream man and now she's down the street looking for him. Lol, we don't even have an ice cream man here.


as long as you are not trolling her all the time. sometimes you have to be the nice family member and play with the kid

Also I should learn to read all the comments before i start replies.. I spam so much =/ sorry!
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#113
Have you ever tried simply turning off the TV, sitting down with your children, and hitting them?

But we little know until tried how much of the uncontrollable there is in us, urging across glaciers and torrents, and up dangerous heights, let the judgment forbid as it may.
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#114
Lmao @ timeout working on kids nowadays. That's some white people shit.
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