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Neo Evil11
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So basically Muse says that it's the 2nd law of thermodynamics that will stop human advancement in the end. But of all reasons why humans should live better etc. bladiebladiebla, that must be one of the worst ones. The earth isn't a closed system, the sun will shine for another billion years. And maybe then we can go to another solar system who knows.

So why does Muse take this natural law as reason why we should change the Human system? While it will take a massive amount of time, before that becomes the problem?
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I think being so high up in the sky has given them Space Dementia.
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I agree, that's just Madness
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We'll have to ask them when they're Sober.
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Neo Evil11
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Neo pls.

Wat? If my reasoning is flawed, pls explain CrazySam_Ajax.
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The name "The 2nd Law" references the Second law of thermodynamics, which is quoted in the track "Unsustainable" as follows:
All natural and technological processes proceed in such a way that the availability of the remaining energy decreases. In all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves an isolated system, the entropy of that system increases. Energy continuously flows from being concentrated, to becoming dispersed, spread out, wasted, and useless. New energy cannot be created and high-grade energy is being destroyed


Umm..no, conservation of energy and all that. Am I missing something?
Neo Evil11
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Quote by JackalUK
The name "The 2nd Law" references the Second law of thermodynamics, which is quoted in the track "Unsustainable" as follows:
All natural and technological processes proceed in such a way that the availability of the remaining energy decreases. In all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves an isolated system, the entropy of that system increases. Energy continuously flows from being concentrated, to becoming dispersed, spread out, wasted, and useless. New energy cannot be created and high-grade energy is being destroyed

Umm..no, conservation of energy and all that. Am I missing something?


Yeah, but if you have a giant sun next to you, surely losing high-grade energy isn't that much of a problem yet.
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I remember reading an explanation of it once that made sense.

I can't remember what it was though.
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Quote by Neo Evil11
Yeah, but if you have a giant sun next to you, surely losing high-grade energy isn't that much of a problem yet.


Maybe if our economy ran on solar energy instead of petroleum.
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Neo pls.


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Wat? If my reasoning is flawed, pls explain CrazySam_Ajax.
It's not flawed. I just don't give 2 fucks.

It's a bad album, just as Resistance was bad. Muse may be experimenting, but their form of experimentation is bullshit. They know it too.
Neo Evil11
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Maybe if our economy ran on solar energy instead of petroleum.

So you want to give up growth, to preserve high grade energy? To what end? If you want everthing to become more efficient; say that. If you want us to invest more in solar energy: say that. Saying: high grade energy is being lost? No shit sherlock, we're using it.
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It's not flawed. I just don't give 2 fucks.

It's a bad album, just as Resistance was bad. Muse may be experimenting, but their form of experimentation is bullshit. They know it too.

amen bro.

OT: maybe they use it as a metaphor for the financial cirisis? Idk tho, it's been a long time since Muse was trying to be deep and it actually made sense to me
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maybe they're just dumb.

people always bring up the second law of thermodynamics. before taking them seriously, ask them what the other ones are.
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They're just being pretentious as usual. No need to look for further meaning in their nonsense...
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i don't get it.

i must be dumb.
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They're just being pretentious as usual. No need to look for further meaning in their nonsense...

I'd be more willing to shrug off their pretentious attitude, if they actually made a good album. But since "the 2nd Law" is basically an album that only has one good song, I might as well tell Muse to stick it where the sun don't shine!

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I like the album, "Panic Station" is one of the best songs they've done.

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I think it's about how we're draining the Earth out of its accessible storages of nonrenewable resources, and in a larger sense about the end of the universe or something.
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I'd be more willing to shrug off their pretentious attitude, if they actually made a good album. But since "the 2nd Law" is basically an album that only has one good song, I might as well tell Muse to stick it where the sun don't shine!

Edit:

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Neo Evil11
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I think it's about how we're draining the Earth out of its accessible storages of nonrenewable resources, and in a larger sense about the end of the universe or something.

But the nonrenewable resources are only of importance to us. Leaving them untouched would be silly.
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I like the album, "Panic Station" is one of the best songs they've done.


Me too. It's all i've been listening to for the last week and a half.

I guess some people don't go into albums from highly successful bands when they take risks / diversify
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Basically, Muse don't understand the second law of thermodynamics.
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I'll take Muse's views on science seriously when I can take Ted Nugent's views on politics seriously.
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Quote by Neo Evil11
So basically Muse says that it's the 2nd law of thermodynamics that will stop human advancement in the end. But of all reasons why humans should live better etc. bladiebladiebla, that must be one of the worst ones. The earth isn't a closed system, the sun will shine for another billion years. And maybe then we can go to another solar system who knows.

So why does Muse take this natural law as reason why we should change the Human system? While it will take a massive amount of time, before that becomes the problem?

I love how people say shit like this as if they know indefinitely.

Fcking humans, how do they work?
Do you feel warm within your cage?

And have you figured out yet -


Life goes by?
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Umm..no, conservation of energy and all that. Am I missing something?

I think it refers to "usable" energy- stuff which is easy to harness, transform and apply to our purposes. Energy in the form of, say, heat or sound isn't as easy to use, as yet.
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But the nonrenewable resources are only of importance to us. Leaving them untouched would be silly.

Of course. But eventually we'll run out of them at this rate of consumption and that's what the message is I think.
Neo Evil11
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I love how people say shit like this as if they know indefinitely.

Fcking humans, how do they work?


But scientists tell us the sun will not go into it's red giant phase till about 5billion years in the future. So nothing to worry about.
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Of course. But eventually we'll run out of them at this rate of consumption and that's what the message is I think.


The use of nonrenewable resources has very little to do with the entropy of a closed system.
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Of course. But eventually we'll run out of them at this rate of consumption and that's what the message is I think.


But that has got nothing to do persé with the second law of thermodynamics. New coal and oil can be made. I doubt that they are the best forms of high grade energy anyway.
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The use of nonrenewable resources has very little to do with the entropy of a closed system.

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Well, it's basically all about how Matt Bellamy got his head stuck so far up his own arse that his head came out of his neck, and then went back up his (now inverted) anus, and he will eventually collapse in on himself and form a neutron star.
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But scientists tell us the sun will not go into it's red giant phase till about 5billion years in the future. So nothing to worry about.

Good thing scientists have never been wrong before. Thanks for telling me; I feel much better knowing that Gods aren't the only beings that are viewed as infallible.

I mean, how can I NOT unconditionally accept the assurance that the sun won't flare for 0.4 seconds and kill everything on Earth when they've had such concrete evidence that oranges and coffee are good for us, then bad for us, then give us cancer, then make our minds sharper, or that we can "lose weight and get in great shape in just 15 minutes a day?"
Do you feel warm within your cage?

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Good thing scientists have never been wrong before. Thanks for telling me; I feel much better knowing that Gods aren't the only beings that are viewed as infallible.

I mean, how can I NOT unconditionally accept the assurance that the sun won't flare for 0.4 seconds and kill everything on Earth when they've had such concrete evidence that oranges and coffee are good for us, then bad for us, then give us cancer, then make our minds sharper, or that we can "lose weight and get in great shape in just 15 minutes a day?"


There's a difference between the level of science pursued by astrophysicists and the science that journalists love to deepthroat.
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Good thing scientists have never been wrong before. Thanks for telling me; I feel much better knowing that Gods aren't the only beings that are viewed as infallible.

I mean, how can I NOT unconditionally accept the assurance that the sun won't flare for 0.4 seconds and kill everything on Earth when they've had such concrete evidence that oranges and coffee are good for us, then bad for us, then give us cancer, then make our minds sharper, or that we can "lose weight and get in great shape in just 15 minutes a day?"


bro. just stop.
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I mean, how can I NOT unconditionally accept the assurance that the sun won't flare for 0.4 seconds and kill everything on Earth


Thousands of peer reviewed papers and research?

As for oranges and coffee, that's the media reporting scientific findings and blowing things out of proportion.
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