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"your feelings on people criticising your religion mean fuck all "

is what i'd say to any religion, really. Islam is not an exception.
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is what i'd say to any religion, really. Islam is not an exception.



Why should religion have a seperate code of behaviour? Why would you care about anyone's feeling about anything of theirs you've criticised? I mean, screw it, I'm just gonna go round calling everyone a massive cunt because they're not me and no matter their response I'm just gonna go "la la la don't care because you're not me and my feelings are more important"
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#46
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I understand what you mean, but i don't think there's anything wrong with saying what he said.

Organised religion has the power to destroy humanity's future, so we should be able to criticize it.



I'm not saying criticism is bad. I'd even encourage it.

But putting yourself above anyone who believes a certain religion and saying that their right to exist is stupid. Makes me ****ing sick.
It's over simplified, So what!

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I'm not saying criticism is bad. I'd even encourage it.

But putting yourself above anyone who believes a certain religion and saying that their right to exist is stupid. Makes me ****ing sick.


Well yeah, but it's a fact that Islamic terrorism is pretty much happening.

And he didn't really put himself above Islam, he said that it's fucked up....

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Why should religion have a seperate code of behaviour? Why would you care about anyone's feeling about anything of theirs you've criticised? I mean, screw it, I'm just gonna go round calling everyone a massive cunt because they're not me and no matter their response I'm just gonna go "la la la don't care because you're not me and my feelings are more important"

Last time I checked, no religion in the Western world has been free from criticism or ridicule - except Islam, out of fear from terrorism regarding depiction of Muhammed. I think that is what he's getting at: Muslims cannot expect their religion to be treated any better than the other religions that the western world makes fun of on a regular basis. The fact that extremists of Islam retaliate to ridicule with acts of violence and terrorism only supports the claims of people that say Islam is a religion of violence, and I know for a fact that normal Muslims are infuriated by the way these violent assholes are acting in the name of their religion.

We need to be able to make fun of Muhammed the same way we make fun of Jesus, God or Buddha.

To illustrate my point, I have created a drawing of Muhammed:

#49
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your point

what the **** was it



anyone with parents who are followers of Judaism or have parents who have converted when you were born. You are considered jewish.

Even if you claim atheism or separate religion, You are still jewish(according to jewish law).


That's what I was talking about.

Islam is not generally considered to be the same. but from what I've seen, extremists seem to feel that Islamic faith is far past religion, and faith. it's not a decision.

It was a farcry attempt to show what I meant... but that's what I was saying.
It's over simplified, So what!

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Last time I checked, no religion in the Western world has been free from criticism or ridicule - except Islam, out of fear from terrorism regarding depiction of Muhammed. I think that is what he's getting at: Muslims cannot expect their religion to be treated any better than the other religions that the western world makes fun of on a regular basis. The fact that extremists of Islam retaliate to ridicule with acts of violence and terrorism only supports the claims of people that say Islam is a religion of violence, and I know for a fact that normal Muslims are infuriated by the way these violent assholes are acting in the name of their religion.

We need to be able to make fun of Muhammed the same way we make fun of Jesus, God or Buddha.

To illustrate my point, I have created a drawing of Muhammed:



This man for president. Seriously, everything this guy says in this video is correct. Muslims do think they have a right to be offended but it's ok to trash everyone else. Either it's all ok or none of it is. Freedom
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Last time I checked, no religion in the Western world has been free from criticism or ridicule - except Islam, out of fear from terrorism regarding depiction of Muhammed. I think that is what he's getting at: Muslims cannot expect their religion to be treated any better than the other religions that the western world makes fun of on a regular basis. The fact that extremists of Islam retaliate to ridicule with acts of violence and terrorism only supports the claims of people that say Islam is a religion of violence, and I know for a fact that normal Muslims are infuriated by the way these violent assholes are acting in the name of their religion.

We need to be able to make fun of Muhammed the same way we make fun of Jesus, God or Buddha.

To illustrate my point, I have created a drawing of Muhammed:


I don't deny that any one (not just the 'West') should be able to talk/criticise it like anything else. But the idea, and this is basically what the guy said, that it should be done with no regard to offence caused purely on the basis of me>them is just, well the guy's a massive wanker and any one who believes that's something to base life on is too.

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This man for president. Seriously, everything this guy says in this video is correct. Muslims do think they have a right to be offended but it's ok to trash everyone else. Either it's all ok or none of it is. Freedom



When was the last time you heard an Islamic magazine draw slanderous pics of Jesus?
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#52
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This man for president. Seriously, everything this guy says in this video is correct. Muslims do think they have a right to be offended but it's ok to trash everyone else. Either it's all ok or none of it is. Freedom

SOME Muslims. Choose your words more wisely, most Muslims are perfectly okay with people making fun of Muhammed or Islam, they want to practice their religion in peace just like anybody else. It's the extremists, just like in any religion, that are violent and intolerant.

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I don't deny that any one (not just the 'West') should be able to talk/criticise it like anything else. But the idea, and this is basically what the guy said, that it should be done with no regard to offence caused purely on the basis of me>them is just, well the guy's a massive wanker and any one who believes that's something to base life on is too.

This I agree with, I misunderstood you before.
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#53
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I don't deny that any one (not just the 'West') should be able to talk/criticise it like anything else. But the idea, and this is basically what the guy said, that it should be done with no regard to offence caused purely on the basis of me>them is just, well the guy's a massive wanker and any one who believes that's something to base life on is too.


When was the last time you heard an Islamic magazine draw slanderous pics of Jesus?



Are you kidding me? Read up kiddo, not only do they slam Jews in magazines and newspapers, they put them in children's cartoons as monsters with huge noses and curly hair that eats bad muslim children. They don't make fun of jesus because he is spoken of in the koran, they just think he was a prophet, not the son of god.

Reading is good.
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anyone with parents who are followers of Judaism or have parents who have converted when you were born. You are considered jewish.

Even if you claim atheism or separate religion, You are still jewish(according to jewish law).


That's what I was talking about.

Islam is not generally considered to be the same. but from what I've seen, extremists seem to feel that Islamic faith is far past religion, and faith. it's not a decision.

It was a farcry attempt to show what I meant... but that's what I was saying.


Well, then by "jewish law" i'm jewish.
Even though i'm an atheist, i'm considered to be jewish in Israel.
And i think it's just stupid.

You know in Israel there's a 'rumor' that Hitler's mom was jewish, and because of that Hitler was jewish.
And that's just so fucking retarded!!!
Judaism is just a faith, just like Islam, just like Christianity.

It's not a race, it's not in your genes, it's a fucking religion.
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This I agree with, I misunderstood you before.





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Are you kidding me? Read up kiddo, not only do they slam Jews in magazines and newspapers, they put them in children's cartoons as monsters with huge noses and curly hair that eats bad muslim children. They don't make fun of jesus because he is spoken of in the koran, they just think he was a prophet, not the son of god.

Reading is good.


Can you inform me if there was a Jewish backlash against this actions?


And don't be a patronising git, given I'm studying the establishment of Islam at uni I'm aware of their historical relationships with other religions
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Hitler was jewish.

I'm pretty sure it's been proven that Hitler was Jewish to some closer degree.
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anyone with parents who are followers of Judaism or have parents who have converted when you were born. You are considered jewish.

Even if you claim atheism or separate religion, You are still jewish(according to jewish law).


That's what I was talking about.

Islam is not generally considered to be the same. but from what I've seen, extremists seem to feel that Islamic faith is far past religion, and faith. it's not a decision.

It was a farcry attempt to show what I meant... but that's what I was saying.

You can be Jewish by culture/ethnicity/whatever, yes, but the religion is fair game. You don't choose to be a Jew but you can choose to believe in Judaism.
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I'm noticing you guys are intelligent enough to think he is talking about the extremist Muslims, Because that's what any rational person would do.

But I think you'll find, he's not. He's talking about every single person who follows the Islamic religion.


At times it seems like talking exclusively about the extremists, But he never uses that term, or even hints to the idea that he doesn't mean the entire religion. he keeps using terms like "that religion".
It's over simplified, So what!

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I'm pretty sure it's been proven that Hitler was Jewish to some closer degree.


Stop taking me out of context!
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I'm noticing you guys are intelligent enough to think he is talking about the extremist Muslims, Because that's what any rational person would do.

But I think you'll find, he's not. He's talking about every single person who follows the Islamic religion.


At times it seems like talking exclusively about the extremists, But he never uses that term, or even hints to the idea that he doesn't mean the entire religion. he keeps using terms like "that religion".

I dont think he actually believes that every single muslim is an extremist, he's just using hyperboly to drive his point home. At least, that's my personal interpretation, I could also be wrong. He might actually hate all muslims everywhere, I dunno. Maybe you could ask him what exactly he means when he says "that religion"?
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How exactly is he a moron? He's saying that extremist Muslims should have no power over the western world, which I strongly agree with. The fact that people refrain from showing pictures of Muhammed out of fear due to extremist attacks shows that the terrorist tactics of the extremists are working. We cannot allow this to happen. I don't care if the extremists are muslim, christian or jewish, free speech encompasses all forms of expression, and there exists no right to not be offended anywhere in the western world. I agree with most of the things he says.

This pretty much.


I didn't watch the video cause I don't really care all that much, but if this is what he's saying then all the more power to him. Killing people over cartoons and films is stupid, and it doesn't make people take you seriously. Terrorizing people into "respecting" your religion isn't the same as them actually having respect for you, and nothing in this world goes by without being criticized, not even Islam.
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Well, then by "jewish law" i'm jewish.
Even though i'm an atheist, i'm considered to be jewish in Israel.
And i think it's just stupid.

You know in Israel there's a 'rumor' that Hitler's mom was jewish, and because of that Hitler was jewish.
And that's just so fucking retarded!!!
Judaism is just a faith, just like Islam, just like Christianity.

It's not a race, it's not in your genes, it's a fucking religion.



And race is only the pigment of your skin and/or what part of the planet you were born on(go ahead and disagree, there's minute differences in average height, body type, muscular build...)

I agree with what you said though, It does seem stupid.
It's over simplified, So what!

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And race is only the pigment of your skin and/or what part of the planet you were born on(go ahead and disagree, there's minute differences in average height, body type, muscular build...)

I agree with what you said though, It does seem stupid.


And it's also a factor beyond your control, and is irrelevant to matters of ethics.

Beliefs, however, can be wrong, dangerous, and abhorrent, and people can and should be criticized for holding them if it can be reasonably argued that the beliefs are the aforementioned.
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I dont think he actually believes that every single muslim is an extremist, he's just using hyperboly to drive his point home. At least, that's my personal interpretation, I could also be wrong. He might actually hate all muslims everywhere, I dunno. Maybe you could ask him what exactly he means when he says "that religion"?



Well, even past "that religion" he says "muslims" and "people who follow that religion"

It's hard to imagine he means only the extremists.


And I know you think he just means the extremists, Otherwise, I doubt you'd agree with him. If I knew he was only talking about extremists, I'd to an extent agree with him as well (on a few select points). But he never makes that differentiation.


I'd love to ask him, but i'm not keen enough
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And it's also a factor beyond your control, and is irrelevant to matters of ethics.

Beliefs, however, can be wrong, dangerous, and abhorrent, and people can and should be criticized for holding them if it can be reasonably argued that the beliefs are the aforementioned.


Thank you. You just saved me typing all that myself
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I noticed... While most organised religions generally have a lot of problems. This guy is just blatantly racist.

If I saw him on the street, I would beat the shit out of him. I can't ****ing stand racists.

HA

HA HA

You show intolerance to people who show intolerance! How unhypocritical!

I didn't see him saying to beat the shit out of muslims.

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And it's also a factor beyond your control, and is irrelevant to matters of ethics.

Beliefs, however, can be wrong, dangerous, and abhorrent, and people can and should be criticized for holding them if it can be reasonably argued that the beliefs are the aforementioned.



as far as extremists are concerned it's beyond control as well. the only difference is they can't prove it. I don't know why they are so hell bent on religion... but they are.


as far as the second bit, I agree %100 and I don't think i've said otherwise.. But you still can't put yourself above that person and put them down for having that belief, regardless of how they act.

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HA

HA HA

You show intolerance to people who show intolerance! How unhypocritical!

I didn't see him saying to beat the shit out of muslims.



You're right, The only people that I wholeheartedly and fully judge, flat out. Are racists, And (as I've learnt from this thread)whatever the equivalent term for religion is.
It's over simplified, So what!

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as far as extremists are concerned it's beyond control as well. the only difference is they can't prove it. I don't know why they are so hell bent on religion... but they are.



They've been brain washed from childhood. Simple as that.
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as far as extremists are concerned it's beyond control as well. the only difference is they can't prove it. I don't know why they are so hell bent on religion... but they are.


I don't quite understand what you're saying here.

Are you saying extremists, even if they have no choice about it, should be afforded the same social protection from criticism of their actions as racial minorities for their appearance?

as far as the second bit, I agree %100 and I don't think i've said otherwise.. But you still can't put yourself above that person and put them down for having that belief, regardless of how they act.


Okay, so I have no right to think I'm above people who torture, rape, murder and stuff children. Gotcha.

You're right, The only people that I wholeheartedly and fully judge, flat out. Are racists, And (as I've learnt from this thread)whatever the equivalent term for religion is.


What if they're racist because of their 'faith'? You said in the very same post that you wouldn't condemn anyone or hold yourself above anyone, regardless of how ****ed up they could act as a result of their faith.

So, why should you be able to judge racists at all?
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#73
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He makes a lot of good points.

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Which ones?
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I don't quite understand what you're saying here.

Are you saying extremists, even if they have no choice about it, should be afforded the same social protection from criticism of their actions as racial minorities for their appearance?

No..................
not protection.

I'm saying...think if you strictly believed something, something ridiculous. like that honey should be eaten with every meal. no matter what. and you wholeheartedly believed that every single person in the world should as well.

Would I have the right to say I'm better than you because of it?

Sure, If you started breaking into houses and stealing everyones food leaving them with nothing but honey, I'd say you're doing something wrong. and that you should be dealt with. I don't know, I havn't slept in 30 something hours. it's difficult to explain what I mean right now.

EDIT: ALSO, WHEN THE **** DID I SAY CRITICISM WAS BAD? I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG I ENCOURAGE IT....


Okay, so I have no right to think I'm above people who torture, rape, murder and stuff children. Gotcha.


exactly. It's wrong, Of course it's wrong. but they are no less human than you. they(should) still have the right to live, and breathe. they aren't exempt from the law. from What I understand, people that do that generally lack empathy. that's a problem, a problem that would need therapy or rehabilitation, Or imprisonment.... I don't know where i'm going with this...


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What if they're racist because of their 'faith'? You said in the very same post that you wouldn't condemn anyone or hold yourself above anyone, regardless of how ****ed up they could act as a result of their faith.

So, why should you be able to judge racists at all?



I'm not perfect.

Racists are the absolute scum of the planet, regardless of why they are racists. Do I deserve life more than a racist? no.


I never said what people do in the name of faith is justified, Just that it's wrong to say you're better than them because of it.

EDIT:

Will I judge the **** out of them? yes.


as far as I know, judging someone doesn't mean you think you're better than them.


for instance, Judging by the way my mum dresses. I'd like to think she really likes to dance.
It's over simplified, So what!

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#78
Epic rant. I'd buy him a beer.
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Epic rant. I'd buy him a beer.


I have to admit, despite disagreeing with pretty much the whole thing, he was a good speaker.
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Okay, but where I'm confused is you talking about their right to live.

I've argued against the death penalty for such individuals, I think they have a right to life, who has said otherwise?

Nobody has said go out and kill them all for believing something.