#1
I've been thru the gigs. Moving amps around and sound checks and I've come to a conclusion. I don't need a huge amp to play a gig. Almost always got mic'd up.
Currently I own the egnator renegade which I'm selling for finacle reasons.
When I buy a new amp i want that dist slash Hendrix. I know there not the same sound.
The idea is so I can have a lil dist and a lot of dist.
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Wanna spend 400 - 500
Used
Combo style or head with single cab
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Jam band blues stuff
Tube
Small size amp easy to carry
Small to medium gigs.
Cleans and dist are important.

If I forgot anything sorry haven't been on here in a while.
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Also please note: at practice the amp needs to be able to play with a full band un mic'd. With my egnator I never had it past 3 or 4 and it was fine. So may be one I can crank and get that nice Hendrix dist raw sound. Hope that helps
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Last edited by silly6-string at Oct 15, 2012,
#2
Peavey classic 30 comes to mind. marshall DSL combo if you can find it used. For gigging a Vypyr 60 tube would be nice as well. Very versatile.
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#3
Quote by Kevin Saale
Peavey classic 30 comes to mind. marshall DSL combo if you can find it used. For gigging a Vypyr 60 tube would be nice as well. Very versatile.

Are u saying classic and the dsl are not capable of gigging? I kinda fig there all good for gigging. Just making sure.
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#4
No, both those amps are giggable, I can see how my statement was confusing. I just meant the vypyr was good for gigging because its versatile.
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#5
The JCA20 or JCA50 might be something to look into, although they are somwhat modern-voiced. You could probably find a Rebel 30 for that price, maybe a little more. If you don't mind hybrid-ness of it, the Blackstar HT-40 would be worth a look. An Egnater Tweaker would be worth checking out, too. If you already have a cab, the Tiny Terror is in this price range.

If clean cleans aren't THAT important, you could check out the Blackheart Handsome Devil and Marshall Class 5, although the Class 5 probably won't getover your drummer at practice. With most smaller amps, you're probably looking at a single channel with somewhat compromised cleans anyway.

Other than those, the Classic 30 and DSL401 would be good options, like Kevin Saale said.
#6
+1 to the DSL401. Great little combos. Very nice British blues sound. Also can hit some 80s rock tones with a boost. And I love the DSL cleans.
#7
On the topic of the DSL. I found 2 a 15c and a 40c and there $100.00 difference...
Now I'm guessing the 40 is a better deal. But y are they priced like that?

I see a peavy classic 30 and I was really impressed by that one...

Just reading abou the dsl40 gets me excited!!
My newest cover Rivers Of Babylon sublime style.

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My gear:
taylor 310
Fender strat MiM
Cry Baby-GCB-95
Tone port ux2
tascam dp4
80s rock, classic rock, classic metal
Last edited by silly6-string at Oct 15, 2012,
#8
Quote by silly6-string
On the topic of the DSL. I found 2 a 15c and a 40c and there $100.00 difference...
Now I'm guessing the 40 is a better deal. But y are they priced like that?

I see a peavy classic 30 and I was really impressed by that one...



The DSLC is a new DSL. The original DSL's came out in the late 90s and were discontinued a few years ago. The new ones either just came out, or are about to. I have yet to play one. The only differences to my knowledge is the new one has a digital reverb instead of a spring, and it uses an improved effects loops which was definitely needed.

If you can afford a new one, grab it. And give us a review! The old ones are solid, and reliable. I had a speaker cable break which tripped the fuse. But other than that never had a single problem with mine.

They did not make a 15 watt DSL in the first run. I would go for the 40 watt if you buy a new one. Especially if its only 100 bucks difference.

EDIT: The new DSL 100H Is 900 bucks new?!?!? That will either be really really good for the value of my old one. Or really really bad. I wonder if they are made in Britain still? Id hate to see the DSL name ruined.

DOUBLEDIT: The new DSLs are made in Vietnam. So... Your call on that one. I would go for an old one. Just because Handmade in Britain just sounds better than Hand Made in Vietnam.

****ITTRIPLEDIT: I just watched a Sweetwater review of the 15C and must say, for a 15 watt head, its pretty ballsy. Not to shabby. Now time will only tell to see if they reliable and worth the price.
Last edited by nickdohle at Oct 15, 2012,
#9
I personally hope they're worth a shit to bring a name back to Marshall. If they pop out an excellent sounding, well-made, fairly versatile, affordable amp in the current economic times, they might stand a chance for people actually buying their amps again. The general consensus on their more recent amps like the Vintage Modern, MA100, and JVM seems to be VERY hit or miss, with more miss than hit. Most people either love them or hate them, with the only in-betweeners usualyl saying that they didn't sound BAD, but it sure wasn't the Marshall they were expecting. The Class 5 seems to be the only good one they've put out recently. With how big they were in the 80's with the JCM800, Peavey has taken their crown in recent times with the 6505. It would be nice to see Marshall back in their game again.
#10
+1 on the classic 30- I've seen those used for everything from Ska bands to blues bands, to an alternative metal group around here (guy uses two in stereo, with a lot of boost into one of them, for a huge distortion sound).
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#12
i played the new DSL 15 watt and 40 watt versions.

you don't want those.

you want an older DSL 401. a 40 watt DSL 112 combo.

it wipes the floor with the new ones.

edit: last sentence was on the whompass, fixed it.
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Last edited by gregs1020 at Oct 15, 2012,
#13
Greg played one of the new DSLs and said they suck.


I think Kevin Saale pretty much hit the nail on the head in the first post. +1 to all of those.
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#14
That OP was down right painful to read.

If you have to sell a Renegade for financial reason then maybe you are not making enough money gigging. Gigging CAN be a lost proposition you know. Besides, you'll be lucky to get $650 for it. I'd keep the Renegade and get a second job or ***** yourself out maybe.

#15
Quote by gregs1020
i played the new DSL 15 watt and 40 watt versions.

you don't want those.

you want an older DSL 401. a 40 watt DSL 112 combo.

it wipes the floor with the new ones.

edit: last sentence was on the whompass, fixed it.


Is there anything current in the same race? Sometimes old amps are hard to find. May be a orange. I dunno.
My newest cover Rivers Of Babylon sublime style.

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My gear:
taylor 310
Fender strat MiM
Cry Baby-GCB-95
Tone port ux2
tascam dp4
80s rock, classic rock, classic metal
#16
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
That OP was down right painful to read.

If you have to sell a Renegade for financial reason then maybe you are not making enough money gigging. Gigging CAN be a lost proposition you know. Besides, you'll be lucky to get $650 for it. I'd keep the Renegade and get a second job or ***** yourself out maybe.



I'm not going to get into my financial details. I'm keeping this post mature ad to the point. I know what I have to do. I know your try to help : ). I was aiming for a Marshall. Peavy 30. Or orange.
My newest cover Rivers Of Babylon sublime style.

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My gear:
taylor 310
Fender strat MiM
Cry Baby-GCB-95
Tone port ux2
tascam dp4
80s rock, classic rock, classic metal
#17
new for $400-500?

i don't think you are going to get a new orange for that much.

maybe just grab a used peavey classic 30 for $250-300?
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#18
sell the renegade for $600 and buy a small amp for up to $500

weren't you restricted to one thread???
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#19
Just trying to get ideas. May be my price should of been higher. I had to sell it now.
When I
Buy a new amp it wont be for a while. So... I appreciate the help. I can take it from here.
My newest cover Rivers Of Babylon sublime style.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J_E7iWLxmiA


My gear:
taylor 310
Fender strat MiM
Cry Baby-GCB-95
Tone port ux2
tascam dp4
80s rock, classic rock, classic metal
Last edited by silly6-string at Oct 16, 2012,
#20



Just buy a Vyper Tube 60 combo already.
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#21
Ty I'll look into that. Isn't the vyper very digital? Is it a good beginner amp for giving to get into? Personally I don't care who makes as long as its sturdy,sounds good, quality and easy to carry!
My newest cover Rivers Of Babylon sublime style.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J_E7iWLxmiA


My gear:
taylor 310
Fender strat MiM
Cry Baby-GCB-95
Tone port ux2
tascam dp4
80s rock, classic rock, classic metal
Last edited by silly6-string at Oct 16, 2012,
#22
No, the Vyper tube is a pearler. The main preamp where all the modelling goes on is analog. The digital stuff is just the effects. The power amp is lifted straight out of a 6505. It's the least digital of the lot - because the amp part is analog.
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Marshall 18W clone
Fender 5F1 Champ clone
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Marshall 1960A
Boss GT-100


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#23
Quote by Cathbard
No, the Vyper tube is a pearler. The main preamp where all the modelling goes on is analog. The digital stuff is just the effects. The power amp is lifted straight out of a 6505. It's the least digital of the lot - because the amp part is analog.

At work currently...
I s home on lunch you tubing and watched some reviews. I was blown away at what it does and yes I say the 6l6 and the other tube I forget.
Looks promising. I'll have to play with one. I don't need half ofthe stuff it has. What do
They go for? Plus the
Pedal?
Thanks cal
My newest cover Rivers Of Babylon sublime style.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J_E7iWLxmiA


My gear:
taylor 310
Fender strat MiM
Cry Baby-GCB-95
Tone port ux2
tascam dp4
80s rock, classic rock, classic metal
#25
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
I got my Vypyr 60 used for $315

I think the Sampera II pedals are around $150 used.

The amp takes stand-alone pedals extremely well IMO BTW.

I'd still rather have a Renegade for what you play.



You are just massively upset about that Renegade

We need to get a GG&A therapist for this kind of shit.
#27
I'd kill for a Renegade.

TS: The Vypyr is really the best option, along with either a DSL or a Peavey Classic/Crate Vintage Club.

As someone who's gigged one of the original series Tweakers for almost over 2 years, I have only one warning: the amp does not have the best cleans. Also it doesn't clean up as much as other amps.
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#28
I guess that is what I'm saying. The Renegade is pretty damn flexible. Two completely different channels, EL34s AND 6L6s, voicing switches, two master volumes, 65w/18w, and one of the best footswitches around.

He had so much trouble dialing in a good tone with the Renegade that I'm afraid a Vypyr, Classic 30 or DSL isn't going to be any easier.
#30
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
I guess that is what I'm saying. The Renegade is pretty damn flexible. Two completely different channels, EL34s AND 6L6s, voicing switches, two master volumes, 65w/18w, and one of the best footswitches around.

He had so much trouble dialing in a good tone with the Renegade that I'm afraid a Vypyr, Classic 30 or DSL isn't going to be any easier.


Now, I'm not so sure about all of that, I'm quite fond of my Vengeance's footswitch. ou literally can't beat that kind of flexibility. Engater really outdoes themselves in the footswitch department. I think the only two things I could POSSIBLY want that it doesn't have are:
- Channel selectable Reverb option like the Effects Loop and 2nd Master switches have
- An option for the Reverb to automatically come on with the 2nd Master

Really, though, those aren't even necessary, they would just cut down on my on-stage tap dancing routine.
#31
^ That's why I said 'one of the best'

I was specifically talking about the Renegade - I don't remember much from the Vengeance or Tourmaster FS. I believe the Renegade has channel selectable reverb and I'm not sure why you would want reverb auto on with 2nd master.
#32
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
^ That's why I said 'one of the best'

I was specifically talking about the Renegade - I don't remember much from the Vengeance or Tourmaster FS. I believe the Renegade has channel selectable reverb and I'm not sure why you would want reverb auto on with 2nd master.


The Vengeance footswitch is just the Renegade footswitch with even more options, and the option to have Reverb come on with the Second Master is because I generally like to have Reverb on during my solos, and I use the 2nd Master as a boost, so it would involve less of a tapdance to get both.
#34
Quote by 311ZOSOVHJH
less tap dance. Gotcha.

i wonder if that footswitch could be modded


S6S - where are you at in your decision making?


That would be an interesting idea...I wouldn't mind putting that option in myself. Just a little switch that in one position turns the Reverb on with the Boost and in the other position bypasses that option.

I agree with your questioning, too. TS hasn't chimed in with anything new in a while now.