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While making a guitar practice schedule (which is based on the styles I want to play) I came across this thing called atonal melody. It appeared in an article about J-rock. After doing some search is seems atonality is a piece without a tonal centre. So is this like mindless chromatic shredding? How can I imagine/play atonal melodies? Should I practice it? Is it useful?

A response to this weird phenomenon would be appreciated.
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So is this like mindless chromatic shredding?

That's certainly one approach.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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How can I imagine/play atonal melodies? Should I practice it? Is it useful?

Probably not.
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Outside of a horror movie soundtrack, I see little use for it. Have you ever listened to atonal music before? Shit's unnerving as hell to me.
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It appeared in an article about J-rock.


I can't believe no-one picked up on this part yet.

Anyway, knowing how to craft atonal music probably isn't a useful skill unless you're interested in contemporary classical music.
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↑ I'll claim ignorance on my part. Everything I've ever been shown to be atonal gives me such an anxious feeling. If you have an example that doesn't then I will gladly recant my statement.
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↑ I'll claim ignorance on my part. Everything I've ever been shown to be atonal gives me such an anxious feeling. If you have an example that doesn't then I will gladly recant my statement.

I don't really care about the bit about it unnerving you, how you respond to music is your business. I just hate when people can only relate to contemporary classical music by saying it's like a horror movie.

But...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-I_igR6o7c

I don't find (the first few minutes at least) of this particularly unnerving. You might though.

That ****ing picture doesn't help my case...
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it's not mindless shredding. i think it can be really beautiful and can evoke certain emotions 'tonal' music can't. it is a bit harder to get into, but i think that's a western culture thing. i love fooling around atonaly.

and saying things like 'there's no use for it outside horror movies' is dumb i think. a musician might find that atonal music is what works best for him. and music has no practical use anyway.
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Hey, it's just my opinion, no reason to get all testy guys. Music is subjective, and I'm subject to believe that atonal's nature creates an anxious and dreadful vibe like one would find in horror movies. I don't mean it to be dismissive, that's just the mood it creates when I hear it. If that's what you want to go for with your own music then that's your deal. Different strokes. Usefulness is also a subjective term as well.
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...modes and scales are still useless.


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Ah, Berg.

Or as I call him, better than Webern.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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I meant that more towards cubs for calling my opinion dumb, but it doesn't really matter. I can agree to disagree, and will leave this thread alone after this post.

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I don't find it scary per sé, just unsettling because it never resolves to anything. Not really something I care to sit down and have a cup of coffee listening to is all I'm trying to say.

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I don't find it scary per sé, just unsettling because it never resolves to anything. Not really something I care to sit down and have a cup of coffee listening to is all I'm trying to say.

/Opinion

it's an acquired taste

...modes and scales are still useless.


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18 Posts into a thread about atonality and not one mention of Schoenburg? My, my, my.
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18 Posts into a thread about atonality and not one mention of Schoenburg? My, my, my.

There are a lot of composers shown here that are from the 2nd Viennese School, aka Schoenberg.

...modes and scales are still useless.


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Zach what's that piece you posted in the classical thread a while ago, a piece for bass flute and electronics if I remember correctly? I wanted to post that but couldn't find it.
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While making a guitar practice schedule (which is based on the styles I want to play) I came across this thing called atonal melody. It appeared in an article about J-rock. After doing some search is seems atonality is a piece without a tonal centre. So is this like mindless chromatic shredding? How can I imagine/play atonal melodies? Should I practice it? Is it useful?

A response to this weird phenomenon would be appreciated.


You can try practising on 12-tone music:P It can be kinda cool and tricky on guitar. 12-tone music is a form of atonal music that evolved in the modernistic era, around year 1900- 1920, don't remember exactly. It may sound like chaos, but the music actually follows strict rules, often more strict than usual harmonic music. Instead of following a scale, like minor or major, you use ALL the 12 tones. One of the rules in 12- tone music is that after you've played one note, you can't play the same note until you've played all the other 11 notes. The rythm and octave of the notes are up to you. 12- tone melodies are cool as unisone parts in a band and sound pretty prog.

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There are a lot of composers shown here that are from the 2nd Viennese School, aka Schoenberg.


I mean you can talk about something like the modern jazz bass all day, but if you don't mention Jaco, you're doing the conversation an injustice.
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Having spent my adult life writing music, playing in bands, and everything else part of the fascination of composition is the freedom to follow your own interests. Atonal chords create their own 'internal' melodies and rhythmns that of themselves can form whole song ideas. Yes the challenge is to communicate those results with other players and more often finding them again, but writing atonal music off as modern classical creepy bug music is wrong.
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If atonality sounds good in your song, then its useful. If it doesnt, then its not useful.
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Atonal chords create their own 'internal' melodies and rhythmns that of themselves can form whole song ideas.


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i thought scelsi was more popular here
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^The Webern is straight up expressive


Yeah I'd go with that. It reminds me of a storm in the mountains.
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i was looking for some jeff loomis here. he does it really well. at least i think he does atonal stuff in his solo album zero order phase
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how does anyone even remotely suggest that an entire branch of music is either useful or useless in an objective sense

among the most vehement opposition to atonality were the nazis

are you a nazi?


Don't be stereotyping nazis man. I'm a nazi and I love atonality. Goose stepping though. That's so last year.
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how does anyone even remotely suggest that an entire branch of music is either useful or useless in an objective sense

among the most vehement opposition to atonality were the nazis

are you a nazi?


i'm a very proud german, and i'm not much for atonality...where do i fall on your scale?
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