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So I`ve taken a look at this guitar:
http://www.bachmusik.com/bach-ib-7f-bk_p1361
It`s an inexpensive 7-string that I`ve planned to buy just to experiment on.
Like setting up the trem, painting and changing parts like pickups.
I already got an expensive 7 string that I`m happy about.

The guitar has a body made out of alder.
How would the sound compare to a body out of mahogny?
The guitar has a licensed Floyd trem that is called FRT30N.
Is it good and stays in tune or does it go out of tune after every divebomb?
Here`s the trem:
http://www.bachmusik.com/en/frt-30n-bk_p1717
Is it a good idea overall?
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Alder is brighter than mahogany.
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Quote by JoeFlips
Alder is brighter than mahogany.

What would it do to the low B?
Would it be clunkier/twangier?
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Quote by Lyrax
What would it do to the low B?
Would it be clunkier/twangier?


Think of it as deeper and darker with Mahogany. More Treble and brighter with Alder. The guitar has a double lock on it so it should definitely hold tune.

If you have any doubts about alder, Meshuggah use it for their bodies on their 8 strings.
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A lot of people use alder guitars for solos and mahogany guitars for rhythm. Not exclusively, of course, but it depends on the tone you're looking for.
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A lot of people use alder guitars for solos and mahogany guitars for rhythm. Not exclusively, of course, but it depends on the tone you're looking for.

I`m looking for a fat crunchy tone. But it doesn`t matter that much since I will use this guitar for mods.
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Quote by OldEscape
The guitar has a double lock on it so it should definitely hold tune.
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So if I`m gonna tune the guitar to C# F# B E G# C# C# (L to H) and sometimes to
B F# B E G# C# C#, do I have to set the trem up every time I tune to it?
That`s pretty much C# to drop B.
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Yes, you will need to make adjustments to the trem every single time you change your tuning. That is why typically when you see people with floyds they either just exclusively play in 1 or 2 tunings or have multiple guitars with each one set up differently.
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****. I`ll just keep it in C# then. So the trem should stay in tune then?
Better than Edge 3?
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hard to know about the trem- i've never heard of it. it does seem to have a decent block on it, though (though being described as "bronze" rather than "brass" worries me, but that might just be a mistranslation).

I dunno.

alder should be a little brighter-/clearer-sounding than mahogany

EDIT: did you hear anything back from them yet about those questions they asked?
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Quote by Dave_Mc
hard to know about the trem- i've never heard of it. it does seem to have a decent block on it, though (though being described as "bronze" rather than "brass" worries me, but that might just be a mistranslation).

I dunno.

alder should be a little brighter-/clearer-sounding than mahogany

Hey it`s you again!
Well they didn`t write what material it is made out of but they wrote that the difference between this trem and other licensed trems is that this one is made out of higher quality materials.
I dunno about that.

This is the same trem but in chrome/black:
http://www.bachmusik.com/en/frt-30n-fr_p1077
Some more angles.
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You're asking if a cheap off-brand guitar will stay in tune and be reliable..... no, it won't.
Tonewoods really only matter on clean/low-gain amps with medium output pickups. If you're gonna throw some 18v EMGs in there then it might as well be plywood. Turn the amp treble down if you want a warmer tone.


Quote by JoeFlips
A lot of people use alder guitars for solos and mahogany guitars for rhythm. Not exclusively, of course, but it depends on the tone you're looking for.


Where the hell did you read that?
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Quote by X-plorer88
You're asking if a cheap off-brand guitar will stay in tune and be reliable..... no, it won't.
Tonewoods really only matter on clean/low-gain amps with medium output pickups. If you're gonna throw some 18v EMGs in there then it might as well be plywood. Turn the amp treble down if you want a warmer tone.


Where the hell did you read that?

Naw it isn`t really off-brand.
It`s a brand that isn`t really known outside Europe.
I exclusively use passive pickups. And I`ve also learnt myself that cranking the gain sterilize the tone and the EQ on the amp isn`t as responsive as when you have the gain on 3/4 I have the amp set to a fat crunchy tone :p

How much does a real 7 string OFR cost?
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Quote by Lyrax
Hey it`s you again!
Well they didn`t write what material it is made out of but they wrote that the difference between this trem and other licensed trems is that this one is made out of higher quality materials.
I dunno about that.

This is the same trem but in chrome/black:
http://www.bachmusik.com/en/frt-30n-fr_p1077
Some more angles.


yeah- as i said, it's hard to know. it looks better than the really cheapo ones as it has what looks like a decent sustain block etc., but at the same time, is it worth the risk? I know you'd be getting it on the guitar, but the price of the trem separately is enough to get a gotoh, which is a known good locking trem. Then again, maybe the price being high is a good thing- maybe it is a decent trem.

did they say where the guitars were made?

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Quote by Dave_Mc
yeah- as i said, it's hard to know. it looks better than the really cheapo ones as it has what looks like a decent sustain block etc., but at the same time, is it worth the risk? I know you'd be getting it on the guitar, but the price of the trem separately is enough to get a gotoh, which is a known good locking trem. Then again, maybe the price being high is a good thing- maybe it is a decent trem.

did they say where the guitars were made?


I havn`t received an answer yet. Probably on Monday.
I don`t know. Is it worth getting the guitar?
I will mainly use it for learning how to set up the trem, changing pups and such but I also want a decent playing guitar ya know? I dont have a guitar with a tremolo and id like to do shit like divebombing and other weird effects.
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i honestly don't know It's one of those things you won't know until you try. If you're willing to send it back if it's terrible, it might be worth the risk (though you might have to pay postage both ways, unless it's faulty, which can get expensive).
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i honestly don't know It's one of those things you won't know until you try. If you're willing to send it back if it's terrible, it might be worth the risk (though you might have to pay postage both ways, unless it's faulty, which can get expensive).

Okey, if it is really that bad, what do I have to change/do to make it decent?
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it depends on what's wrong with it, really. worst case scenario you'll struggle to make it decent and probably waste a lot of money trying to do so. best case scenario it's a nice guitar as is or only needs cheap upgrades.

as i said, it's one of those things where you won't know unless you try it, unfortunately.
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**** it, I`ll let it float or sink.
Thanks for the answers and I`ll let you know what they responded in the mail!
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Quote by X-plorer88
Where the hell did you read that?


Alder is clearer, so it's nice to have if you're going to be playing more single notes and licks, and rhythm players use mahogany for a fuller, chunkier sound. It's an observation, not a rule. You can use either for whatever you want, it all depends on what you tone you're looking for.
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Quote by Lyrax
**** it, I`ll let it float or sink.
Thanks for the answers and I`ll let you know what they responded in the mail!


thanks

and good luck
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Bitches haven`t responded.
But I`ll still get one of those Alnico 5 pickups of theirs.
I`ll put them into my Ibanez GRG 121. Any pickup would make it sound better, But it isn`t a bad guitar overall.
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ah no worries, thanks for letting me know, anyway
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