Caaarrl94
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#1
I play mostly RHCP, Hendrix, SRV, basically blues, rock, funky stuff, but I also play alot cleaner stuff like Radiohead sometimes.
(I don't need any crazy metal distortions)

For arguments sake, because the Zoom G3 acts as 6 seperate pedals, I'll compare it to single pedals of that price range (£20-£25)

How would the Zoom G3's effects compare against a single pedal costing about £25 (Behringer hahaha)

For example, I think one pedal it models is a tubescreamer, just how similar to a single tube screamer would it actually sound? (to my un-trained ear)

Also, the amp models, are they any good?

I'll probably be buying a seperate Cry Baby Wah because auto wah seems abit of a joke.
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#2
I don't use a lot of effects outside of funsies, but the amp models from the Zoom G3, in my opinion, are terrible.
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#3
The G3X has an expression pedal. I would consider that over the G3. The auto wah isn't a joke. It works perfectly well for it's intended purpose. You can use a regular wah setting on the G3 if you have an ext expression pedal.

If I were you I would choose between the G3X and the G5 based on price and needs. The Zoom will outperform the Behringer pedals by a long shot. And the amp models are in my opinion awesome.
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#4
Check out the other multi effect pedals as well as Zoom - the Boss ME series is my favourite, I had the ME50 for years.

Like you said, the advantage of the ME series and the Zoom you're looking at is that they act as a set of individual pedals rather than focussing solely on amp modelling and patches. With a pedal like that you can learn which effects you really need so that if/when you decide to switch to individual pedals you know which you need. I believe the Line 6 M9/13 also work in that way.

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#5
Thanks Gary, i looked at the ME-70 and ME-50, but the G3 is quite abit cheaper than the ME-70 and also acts as 6 pedals of my choice, so i couldn't have a distortion on, then turn on fuzz for example, without physically turning the knob and adjusting all the settings like on the ME-70

I think it would be better to buy a seperate Wah aswell
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#6
The ME will sound a lil better through an amp but IMO the G3 is the better value. Either would give you an idea of which individual pedals you'd use most
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#7
thanks guys, out of curiosity.
When using amp modelling on the G3, should I be plugged into the amp at its very cleanest with no reverb/gain ?
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#8
If you want cheap pedals you should check out the danelecto and joyo pedal's they are pretty sweet especially for the money.
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#9
unless you're willing to drop at least $400 on a Line 6 M9 or something of that caliber, you're best to get a few single effects. The lower priced MFX units don't really have that good of a sound and they tend to get hard to incorporate into your rig, I find some amps don't like them at all. You can get a lot of sounds from a distortion/overdrive, a delay, a wah wah (already covered in the OP) and some kind of modulation (flanger, chorus, phaser).

Out of those three, the phaser is the least versatile. You're kind of stuck with the one sweeping sound, either sped up or slowed down. But they are used a lot in the stuff you mentioned you like'd playing, so take that with a grain of salt.

A decent chorus should get you some cool leslie sounds as well as a nice wide traditional chorus. The Cool Cat Chorus from Danelectro had a really nice vibrato on it if you turned the mix all the way to one side. Flangers are a lot more versatile, imo. They can do a decent chorus and those jet plane sweeps that make phasers look kind of dull.

I don't think MFX is that good of an idea anyways because if it happens to get stolen or crap out on you for any reason, you're kind of screwed. You have to start from square one of going through the presets and re-entering your settings. If you have four or five single pedals, it's not as likely that all of them are going to blow up at once.
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#10
i would probably get single pedals- tim's gonna come in here soon and kill me, but i think the likes of joyos sound pretty good (and with that marcmart code, if you're willing to buy from hong kong/china, you can get them for like £15 each if you also buy a mooer when you're at it) and are generally based on pretty sought-after pedals.

i'm not sure i'd trust them on a world tour, but if you're only mucking about at home...

EDIT: what's your current amp and guitar?
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#12
I'm planning ahead
Im getting a new guitar next month, and hoping to get a new amp, possibly a Bugera V5
(only for practice, so i dont need anything too expensive/loud, likewise with the effects, thats what'd lead me to the Zoom G3
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#14
The G3 is a great pedal. These guys telling you to get separate pedals are sending you on an expensive goose chase. If you are using amp models with a tube amp you should set it to the cleanest setting but you can still use the reverb on the amp. Also with an amp you should be careful about the cabinet modeling. I suggest that you start with no cabinet modeling if you use a guitar amp. And also play with the global output setting for the amp type.

You don't have to use amp models when using a guitar amp. You can just use the G3 as a bunch of stomp boxes. But you have the option to do anything that you think sounds good.

The M-Audio EX-P expression pedal is pretty cheap and works with the G3. However, the G3X is only a bit more and the pedal adds a lot. Here's a pedalboard I'm putting together with a G3 right now. Still need to make some cables and drill some routing holes. The only caveat is that the G3 amp models can be noisy with some pedals. With no models you're fine.
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Quote by fly135
These guys telling you to get separate pedals are sending you on an expensive goose chase.

This can be very true. That's why I usually recommend people develop their sound using a multi effects unit, then when they know exactly what they want they can start investing in individual pedals to enhance & perfect their desired tone. Also, multi effect units tend to hold their price fairly well so you could buy one used then if you decide to upgrade you could sell it after a year or so for minimal loss.

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If you are using amp models with a tube amp you should set it to the cleanest setting but you can still use the reverb on the amp.

True, but I'd argue that if you've invested in a tube amp, you shouldn't want to be using amp models anyway! Why would you buy a good amp then try to make it sound like something else....

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small amps aren't generally friendly to dirt pedals. i'd recommend getting something with more wattage. at least 20.

This depends on the amp. Some small amps work well with them, some large amps don't.

Finally, if you do decide to go with individual pedals, the Joyo suggestion is a good one.

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Quote by GaryBillington
This can be very true. That's why I usually recommend people develop their sound using a multi effects unit, then when they know exactly what they want they can start investing in individual pedals to enhance & perfect their desired tone. Also, multi effect units tend to hold their price fairly well so you could buy one used then if you decide to upgrade you could sell it after a year or so for minimal loss.
That's my point. If you don't know what you want then a multifx is likely what you want. And you may never choose separate pedals. Many gigging pros use multifx. If you buy a nice tube amp that you cherish the tone of and feel that's your sound then pedals are a good bet. But if you are covering a diversity of songs like many people do then your specific amp sound isn't so important.

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True, but I'd argue that if you've invested in a tube amp, you shouldn't want to be using amp models anyway! Why would you buy a good amp then try to make it sound like something else....
It doesn't sound like he's investing in much of a tube amp at this point. I would not consider a low price tube amp as "that sound". There are no rules, except experiment and learn the fundamentals.
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#19
Thanks again guys.
But no, i'm not gigging or anything with a huge tube amp, it's only for practicing at the moment.
Are there any other Amps you suggest? Everybody raves about tube amps and i thought the bugera seemed good value.
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#20
Obviously not the only option, but I use a Vox AC4TVH with the V112TV cab & I'm happy with it - it's perfect for rock/blues etc, has some excellent clean sounds and if you set it to 1/4 of a watt it's quiet enough to use at home without annoying the neighbours even when you crank it to the max.

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#21
I was almost set on the VOX AC4TV then i realised it has no gain control or reverb.
it's just volume, tone and the power attenuator
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#22
That's what I liked about it - I wanted the most basic thing possible because I wanted the complete opposite of a modelling amp!!

Obviously there's loads of other options. Have you actually bought any of the kit you've been considering yet?

If you haven't, it could be worth simply letting us know your full budget for guitar, amp and effects so we can provide suggestions for a full setup. You'll probably get a load of suggestions for a Peavey Vypyr as an amp as it has all the effects you'll need built into it, but who knows, maybe people will come up with something new that you wouldn't have thought of otherwise?

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#23
I'll be playing with a strat.
and have about £250-300 to spend on effects + amp.
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#24
Quote by Caaarrl94
I was almost set on the VOX AC4TV then i realised it has no gain control or reverb.
it's just volume, tone and the power attenuator
If you are going to buy a multifx then there are a lot of options. You can get a keyboard amp, or as one of the regulars often recommends a powered wedge. If you have a nice stereo with decent speakers you can get a mixer, put it on the tape monitor, and plug into it. I use that setup in my house in two of my rooms, even though I use tube amps as well.

Here in the US you can get really good stereo equipment cheap on Craigslist.
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#25
Quote by NakedInTheRain
small amps aren't generally friendly to dirt pedals. i'd recommend getting something with more wattage. at least 20.


depends on the amp, and how loud you're playing. a lot of those small single-enders are really simple and take pedals pretty well- but you're right, they don't have a ton of headroom and if you only want the sound of the pedal with no amp breakup, then unless you're playing at bedroom volumes, you're right.

EDIT: what type of stuff do you mainly play? thomann has good deals on the jet city stuff at the moment, and they're hard to beat if you need high gain tube tones and not much in the way of cleans. the jca2212 is £250. if you can stretch a little, the 1x12 50 watt combo is £350, iirc.

EDIT #2: I'd agree that if you need tons of effects and really have no idea what you currently want, then a multi-fx is maybe the way to go. but if you have at least some idea of what you want/need, and only need a few effects, then single pedals might be better.
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fly135
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I've used a Valve Jr head w/ 1x12 cab with a multifx and pedals quite a bit and thought it sounded good. The biggest drawback to small amps is the size of the speaker and enclosure. A small amp with say a 2x12 cab is a different animal. Although I will say that I prefer a few more watts, not so much for the overall volume but because it seems add some punch.
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#27
oh yeah the speaker makes a big difference- i like my fame tube 5 with the teeny 6 inch speaker because i can crank it up easily, but i don't like it so much with pedals.
Quote by crownegamers
I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?

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#28
I play Hendrix RHCP, Radiohead. Basically rock, blues, funk, indie, and i like to mess around with post rock kinda looping so i need a great clean sound. I don't need any really crazy metal shredding distortions.

I'll never get about bedroom levels (yet) so i don't need tonnes of headroom, aslong as it can get great cleans when loud, and some nice crunchy sounds at lower volumes if i choose to play without the multi fx.
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#29
ah right, the jet cities (at least, the higher gain ones, i haven't tried the others) wouldn't really work for that.
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I saw in a couple of pictures that on Bucketheads Les Paul (only some pictures) that his neck pickup is painted in white. Can anyone explain to me why he would do this, and if there are any pros and cons.

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The guy wears a KFC Bucket and a white mask during performances, and you're interested in the color of his pickup covers?